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[Minic78]

Shooting an enemy with a sliver of health when there's a krogan/vorcha/whathaveyou in the middle of the heavy melee animation right next to it.

Anything else, go nuts.

[spaceling]

Beerfish wrote...

 Here is my problem with trying to avoid kill steals in many cases.  If the Vorcha or krgoan that I avoided helping finish off his opponents goes down in a heap am I then expect to trot on over and rez him putting myself and the mission at risk when I could have helped kill the opponent in the 1st place?

Yeah. Another thing is this:

Sometimes you have a very agressive and good player on your team that seems to be killing everything. Are those all his kills? I mean, what are the other 3 supposed to do? Nothing?

Honestly, if I see someone about to take someone out, I don't interfere. Especially with the non-boss enemies. When it comes to boss enemies, most people appreciate the help and only get angry when they are kill-hoarding.

[Minic78]

Beerfish wrote...

 Here is my problem with trying to avoid kill steals in many cases.  If the Vorcha or krgoan that I avoided helping finish off his opponents goes down in a heap am I then expect to trot on over and rez him putting myself and the mission at risk when I could have helped kill the opponent in the 1st place?

If you're an infiltrator, probably. Otherwise it's your call, as is the case when using missles/medigel. In the situation you described, though, it sounded like the brawler just randomly was unable to kill a low health enemy in melee range, in which case it's his fail.

[Richter Harken]

Beerfish wrote...

 Here is my problem with trying to avoid kill steals in many cases.  If the Vorcha or krgoan that I avoided helping finish off his opponents goes down in a heap am I then expect to trot on over and rez him putting myself and the mission at risk when I could have helped kill the opponent in the 1st place?

It's situational. If said krogan/vorcha is fighting three enemies and trying to get his regeneration or martial arts to kick in, and you nail that half-dead one instead of his buddies, you just killed your team mate.

Same thing happens when I have three hunters closing on me, I prime one for a biotic bomb, and some jerk kills it. The other two proceed to rape me, instead of being introduced to stagger/knockdown hell.

[N7-RedFox]

darkwonders wrote...

For everyone who keeps saying "HERP DERP IT'S A CO-OP GAME!" clearly have never tried the Krogan or Vorcha classes that rely on actually getting the killing blow.

And for anyone with a brain... only the squad win matters....

*facepalms*

If you're in a gold match, chances that you'll kill one Hunter before his pyro friend and twin brother kill you are pretty darn low. In other words, don't put yourself in needless danger by trying to melee distant enemies on Gold. You have other means of killing enemy units and i dare say those other ways are a lot brighter.

If you put yourself out of reach of the squad coz u want to melee everything then ur putting them in danger coz they will have to pick ur ass up off the flore after it gets shot to bits

Modifié par CaptainTeabag, 08 juin 2012 - 09:59 .

[Rip504]

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[blacksheepD]

1- I try not to mess with a Adept doing their explosion set ups.
2- I try not to interfere with a player VS low/mid ranked enemy if they are mid-heavy melee.

The problem is a lot of the time you don't have time to weigh up all these considerations before you shoot so it's understandable, but on the following there is not that excuse;

3- If there is one enemy left and another player has found him/ about to kill him, I try not to get involved as it looks bad, you know he can handle it and it really does APPEAR like kill stealing. If someone does it to me I just think -LAME.

[SuprA13]

1. If it's Gold, it may be a life-saver. There's no such thing as kill-stealing in a co-op game mode. What nonsense.
2. I usually keep my AAs on >150% cd so with that in mind if the 2nd throw doesn't connect, no apologies... I'm going all out on the poor Shields brother before he does some serious damage(Marauders are well known to often down players 1 on 1 in gold).
3. My contribution to their effort. I see nothing wrong with that.
4. Guardians are almost never alone. If I have a clear shot, I take them off his back.

That being said, I'm not the one to meddle when someone is trying to set up BEs or trying to get enraged as krogan. I know I wouldn't be happy if I were in their shoes.

[Creighton72]

Skullheart wrote...

Oh yeah, kill steals are a big problem in a co-op game.

Should I report all the engineers who screw my biotic explosions when I use warp on an enemy?

I'ts fine when there's only one engineer, I can still use two throws, but when there's three engineers using drain/ol on my warpedtarget, it sucks. And they always wait until the target is warped.

No you should learn that two throws would equal a tech burst on the overload and BE on the warp. You don't even need to warp again. Just two throws.

[ShadowWeaver2012]

Sometimes I get a little trigger happy, but I don't set out to purposely steal anyone's kill. I'm better now at stopping and observing if someone else is handling things ok. But without mics, its kind of a guessing game sometimes. Personally, I don't care if people help me kill stuff. Faster the game goes, faster we get $$.

[HvyDuty]

KillSteal.  How can I steal a kill?   If it is your kill - then kill it.  If you kill it - then I cant kill it and therefore could never steal it.  If you tried to kill and failed, then it is not yours.  If you try and fail, and I try and succeded, then how did I steal it??..  you had your chance. 



I have had enemies drop dead in front of me by a sniper all the way across the map, and my thought was "WOW - good shot" and then I move to the next target.  Never once have I thought that I had a 'Kill' stolen from me.


If you are a (Insert melee Character here) and need a kill to recharge, gain health, hulk out, blah blah blah, then get on your mic ( you do have a working mic don't you?) and let your team know.......It's called COMMUNICATION.

If you are a little magical dude and you end up in a lobby full of engineers.......get your butt out of there, cuz you know what....they are gonna walk all over your biotics.  Don't expect them to worry about your 'Biotic Primed' target when they have cascading overload - energy drain - incinerate - etc.etc. 


And if you do have a working mic and scream 'Will you cool it with your overload - MFs!!" for the whole team to hear, guess what - I am going to be your BFF and make sure you have no biotic explosions the rest of the game.  I will tech cancel every one of your biotic casts.   Cuz if that is the nicest way you can ask me, then you obviously need to learn some manners. 

And dont let me hear the words 'Kill Stealer' come across the team chat because you know what?  ...  

Lets just not go there...

Modifié par HvyDuty, 09 juin 2012 - 02:56 .

[DoubleHell]

Any dead hostile is a hostile that can't hurt me, or a team mate. There's no kill stealing, only kill assisting.

[Jking30]

ericjdev wrote...

There are no kill steals in ME3 multiplayer, it is a co-op game.

everyone gets points according to how much health they have taken off so it doesn't matter, 

Modifié par Jking30, 09 juin 2012 - 02:58 .

[Rustedness]

I try not to shoot an enemy when someone's gearing up for heavy melee. Especially when it's a Batarian. Apart from that, I don't really see anything as a killsteal.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

ericjdev wrote...

There are no kill steals in ME3 multiplayer, it is a co-op game.

This.

Agreed.

Though i don't think is soo much about a "kill-steal" as it is about respecting your teamates.

Disreapectful:
An Adept sets up a BE in the middle of a mob...and an Engineer sets off their Chain Overload...nullifies the BE, adept gets pissy and the Engineer says they did nothing wrong...they f'd up a perfectly good combo and made things more difficult...

Unknown accident:
a sniper takes out a single target right before a Novaguard charges, making the vantard fly into nothing and thus the sniper "stole" the kill, the sniper couldn't know the vanguard was gonna charge, and it was a lone trooper.

Respectful:
Batarian is about to heavy melee a canibal, another canibal is running up to attack, soldier shoots 2nd canibal in the face before it can touch the batarian, but lets the batarian finish their melee.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 09 juin 2012 - 04:18 .

[Striker93175]

1.Missed opportunity. You should have both been shooting at it and the trooper wouldn’t have gotten the chance to shoot back – focus fire when ever possible and move to the next target. Not a steal. Can you steal a kill in a cop-op hoard game? No you can only assist, why you get assist points (sometimes higher than the actual kill).

2.Missed opportunity. The AA should thank you for saving its squishy lil blue booty. Grant it, that boom woulda been cool, but the Marauder could have also downed the blue alien simply by staring at it too long. You focused fire. Good job. Not a steal. Can you steal a kill in a cop-op hoard game? No you can only assist, why you get assist points (sometimes higher than the actual kill).


3.You focused fire. Good job. Not a steal. Can you steal a kill in a cop-op hoard game? No you can only assist, why you get assist points (sometimes higher than the actual kill).

4.You focused fire. Good job. Not a steal. Can you steal a kill in a cop-op hoard game? No you can only assist, why you get assist points (sometimes higher than the actual kill).

We all get the same credits/experience. Kill steal? Pfft ungrateful players is more like it. Please... by all means "steal" my kills... Let me focus on the next critter, make this round go faster, let my thumbs relax a little more...

[BDelacroix]

In the end does it really matter? The bad guys lose, you win. Game over.

[Eire Icon]

Kill Steals are nothing more then a myth that this forum insists on perpetuating

[HellbirdIV]

The only one of the OP's examples that's a problem and therefore a "kill steal" would be #2, especially if there are other enemies nearby which means you ****ed up her BSplosion.

For the other ones, it's just assisting which is fine.

[BD Manchild]

HairyCallahan wrote...

I don't understand people even discussing a 'kill steal'. You work together, you have to finish the enemies as quickly as possible and you all get the same score. There is no such thing as a 'kill steal'. It's called 'teamwork'. If people don't understand the principle of this game they should play CoD or do a solo run.

There is so much truth to this statement that it's not even funny. Sure, it can be fun to compare your scores after a game, but getting the highest score is purely for bragging rights. This is a co-operative game; such ludicrous terms as "kill-stealing" shouldn't even factor into it.

[Derp88]

I might find it annoying sometimes when a team mate constantly kills an enemy that is ripe for a biotic explosion, especially if the AoE would damage a whole lot of enemies, too. But in all honesty, as long as we are not being overrun by enemies, and are holding our own, I don't mind the "shoot now, ask questions later" technique.

People who are butt-hurt because they don't get the high score should not be playing ME3. Seriously, I've been downgraded so many times in ME3 (and I know its this game, because its pretty much the only MP I play on xbox live nowadays) and the only reason I can see is because I get the high score. During the game though, I help out a lot with team objectives, make sure I revive fallen teammates (unless they run off trying to be 1337) , and cover flanks to make sure we are not overrun by enemies.

[MstrJedi Kyle]

Kill Steal = You managing to kill something before some non-team player gets to, thus preventing him/her from getting the highest amount of XP during a game in which all XP is shared. The result of this is this person calling for a nerf of your weapon because it is too OP.

[Siegdrifa]

Potentialy no skill steal.

Personnaly, if it's in sigh, i shoot, but i operate under priority target to favor team play : if i see a team mate killing a geth infantery while a flammer get near his back, i will kill the flammer first. If by the time i deal with this or more dangerous target, he did not finish with is own work, it will be at the top of my to do list, doesn't matter how much life they still have.

[Sypha Darkke]

You guys are right it is not kill
stealing. Its just crappy play. Go look up cooperate because some of
you obviously don't know what it means. This is a team game. Shooting
everything that is not a teammate is not the objective. You are right
when you say the goal is to take down everything as fast as possible.
You don't do that by screwing your team over. Score doesn't matter.
The name of the game is situational awareness and communication. If
you have a biotic on the team and its obvious they are using warp to
expose targets to damage then by all means kill them. If they're are
setting up a BE in the middle of a crowd and there are 5 other
mobs standing there why would you shoot the primed target. I'll tell
you why. Because you're a tool and not a team player. Again the game
is not about score. Its about killing everything by dealing as much
damage as possible as a team. If your playing tech why not strip
shields so other people can take down the hardened targets faster. A
sniper ? Why why waste all that damage on a mob with a half empty red
bar thats about to be killed by a squishy; when you can hit that
armored target creeping up on a teammate In a good team game
everyone realizes the role they are playing and contributes to the
team. The enemies go down fast and everyone has fun. Sadly many
people thing the name of the game is to run around and get the
highest kill count because its make them feel better about
themselves. Poor sad things. Here's a hint. If you find you are
constantly checking the score board; running off to be a lone wolf;
more worried about how many enemies you kill vs how much damage you
do; leaving you teammates to do objectives while you rack up points.;
ect....: You Might Be A Tool.


Don't Worry Be Happy

[Ghostfc3s]

When I charge in to kill a pyro and two hunters then charge a single geth trooper that you shot twice and are about to put down. I am NOT doing it to recharge my shields, get to safe place to breath, or step out of the fray to get a better view of the battlefield. I am just a jerk who loves seeing 10 biotic kills +500 obituary meaningless no value non spend able points. I kill steal every single one target I can. Specially the biotc one you just primed. Cause when I make them go boom I get the all the obituary points! Mahhahahaha.