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[Kronner]

Relix28 wrote...
Did you test that? Because I did a fair amount of testing on both Phoenix characters, and at least the shields and shield gate were working fine. Damage reduction after Charge also works the same as with any other Vanguard.

I really wish that someone would do some extensive testing on this and put it on vid, so we can get to the bottom of this broken fitness thing.

I tried several builds - fitness, no fitness..but there was no difference in the gameplay performance.
And I really think I got one shot killed a couple of times.

This is all on PC though, no idea if that is the only platform affected by this.

[GGW KillerTiger]

AreleX wrote...

i 'ingore' your questions because you never offer anything constructive to any discussion. all you do is troll, insult, and complain. once again, please leave my thread. i will not answer any questions you ask.

anyone else is free to ask anything they like, however.

Love how sense my opinions differ from yours I am suddenly a troll. :innocent: Thanks for the love.

[Shampoohorn]

Great guide.  I'd been hoping someone would post this, as I've enjoyed the class but haven't developed a coherent strategy yet.  So thanks!

Could you explain why there is a benefit to cancelling Smash?  Are you doing it after Smash's damage has triggered or before because it was leaving you exposed?

AreleX wrote...
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The Guns

In my opinion, due to lacking Nova's derpy invincibility frames, you need to have very close to or above a cooldown of 180% to keep a fast CD on Charge to help your survivability. My weapon choices will reflect that. Equipment should always be Damage Barrel & Shredder mod, and High Caliber Barrel & Heat Sink on the SMGs.

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Which power other than Nova did you mean here?

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 08 juin 2012 - 06:44 .

[AreleX]

TimonPumba wrote...

Damn your voice is relaxing. You should record Yoga CD's.
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some guy on yt said it was the creepiest voice he's ever heard. i'm taking both as compliments

TimonPumba wrote...

I wonder if there's a difference between PC and consoles relating to the Fitness tree.
Like Kronner said, the shield and health gate seems to be broken on PC.

seems to work fine on consoles. wish bw would actually come out and say something definitive, there's no way they haven't seen the billion threads about it.

[AreleX]

Shampoohorn wrote...


Great guide.  I'd been hoping someone would post this, as I've enjoyed the class but haven't developed a coherent strategy yet.  So thanks!

Could you explain why there is a benefit to cancelling Smash?  Are you doing it after Smash's damage has triggered or before because it was leaving you exposed?

you're very welcome. you can use it in both of the manners you listed, that's what i meant.

AreleX wrote...
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The Guns

In my opinion, due to lacking Nova's derpy invincibility frames, you need to have very close to or above a cooldown of 180% to keep a fast CD on Charge to help your survivability. My weapon choices will reflect that. Equipment should always be Damage Barrel & Shredder mod, and High Caliber Barrel & Heat Sink on the SMGs.

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Which power other than Nova did you mean here?

what are you trying to say here? i mean that since you're invincible while using nova, you can sit there and half nova around (or use the cd evolution before charging) until your cd is up. am i missing something?

Modifié par AreleX, 08 juin 2012 - 06:47 .

[Simbacca]

Relix28 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

I really dislike the Reegar thing, but I've been using Talon on this class with moderate success. The Fitness tree seems to be broken, and I have a feeling the shield/health gate does not work properly either (PC). I do enjoy lash/smash though.

Good guide AreleX. Now, where's the all Phoenix run on Jade?

Did you test that? Because I did a fair amount of testing on both Phoenix characters, and at least the shields and shield gate were working fine. Damage reduction after Charge also works the same as with any other Vanguard.

I really wish that someone would do some extensive testing on this and put it on vid, so we can get to the bottom of this broken fitness thing.

Somebody did, a while ago.  The result, of that one anyway, showed there is nothing wrong with the Phoenix's fitness.  I'll try to find it.

edit: this one

Modifié par Simbacca, 08 juin 2012 - 06:57 .

[Shampoohorn]

AreleX wrote...

Shampoohorn wrote...

AreleX wrote...
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The Guns

In my opinion, due to lacking Nova's derpy invincibility frames, you need to have very close to or above a cooldown of 180% to keep a fast CD on Charge to help your survivability. My weapon choices will reflect that. Equipment should always be Damage Barrel & Shredder mod, and High Caliber Barrel & Heat Sink on the SMGs.

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Which power other than Nova did you mean here?

what are you trying to say here? i mean that since you're invincible while using nova, you can sit there and half nova around (or use the cd evolution before charging) until your cd is up. am i missing something?

Ooops, totaly misread it.   Nevermind.  [Goes to get another cup of coffee]

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 08 juin 2012 - 06:55 .

[Ramsutin]

Just got it and was completely lost, thanks a lot for this!!

[SloanM]

 Enjoyable video. Wish I could use one without the fear of possibility glitching out of the map  :innocent:

[Ektogamut]

Thanks for the guide. It is useful to see how it can be played differently. I do have a question though, and please don't interpret it as trolling. I thought a lot of the vets here (Godless, Grimy, etc) disapproved of the Reegar so I was sort of surprised to see everyone rolling with one. Do you change your build when you use other weapons?

Side note, like Godless said a couple days ago PV + AJ = omgwtfbbq

[AreleX]

godless paladin disapproves of the reegar, huh? that's *incredibly* interesting, considering that he uses it. hell, he's using it in this very video!

anyways, people ***** about everything here. being a 'veteran' doesn't mean i carry the same sense of righteous indignation/pigheadedness over guns and classes that other people do. i use what i feel like using at the time, or what's going to be best for the run, if it's a speed run.

i think maybe you misinterpreted something he said. otherwise, i am going to rub this in his face until the end of time.

Modifié par AreleX, 08 juin 2012 - 07:22 .

[Black Phantom]

Shampoohorn wrote...


Could you explain why there is a benefit to cancelling Smash?  Are you doing it after Smash's damage has triggered or before because it was leaving you exposed?

If you cancel smash early enough with a melee or roll, you can biotic charge instead. It's a good tactic to fall back on if you f**k up, and start taking too much damage.

If you cancel it with a melee right before he brings the whips down on the enemies, you can use Smash and melee simultaneously. It allows you to stagger/damage/kill groups of enemies in a radius around you, while also allowing you to OHK enemies in a broad strip in front of you. (at least it's usually a OHK for me, I use a melee build)

[Ektogamut]

AreleX wrote...

godless paladin disapproves of the reegar, huh? that's *incredibly* interesting, considering that he uses it. hell, he's using it in this very video!

anyways, people ***** about everything here. being a 'veteran' doesn't mean i carry the same sense of righteous indignation/pigheadedness over guns and classes that other people do. i use what i feel like using at the time, or what's going to be best for the run, if it's a speed run.

i think maybe you misinterpreted something he said. otherwise, i am going to rub this in his face until the end of time.

I probably misread, I just thought thats we he said in some of those nerf X threads.  And yes I knew he was using one in the vid, onewinged4angel and all that, hence the question.   Maybe it was about the Krysae...
In any case, it appears that you don't change spec when using a weapon other then the Reegar. Correct?

Modifié par Ektogamut, 08 juin 2012 - 07:28 .

[Death8the8Kid8]

I support AreleX for PheonixGuard Builds! I less than three this class and this thread really shed a lot of light on this class!

[AreleX]

Ektogamut wrote...


I probably misread, I just thought thats we he said in some of those nerf X threads.  And yes I knew he was using one in the vid, onewinged4angel and all that, hence the question.   Maybe it was about the Krysae...
In any case, it appears that you don't change spec when using a weapon other then the Reegar. Correct?

yup. don't need to. weapon doesn't have too great of a bearing on the equation when you have so many awesome powers at your disposal. i'll use the talon or something in my next vid to curtail any crying about the reegar, of which i'm sure there will be plenty.

[Nicla Karsavina]

TimonPumba wrote...

Damn your voice is relaxing.

Yes and it's even more than that, it' rich, warm and beautiful! 
Alas, impoliteness takes away everything.


Anyway, thank you very much for the guide; I didn't try this class yet, having played badly with the cerberus adept. I think that survivability is the main issue here - personally the only vanguard I bring to gold is the Krogan 60666, all fitness and barrier, with my superb Reegar Carbine X, but I'm a coward and prefer a prophylactic style most of the times (I think that if you're dying a lot, you're doing it wrong). So probably I'll take "The Survivor" set in this case.
One thing I don't understand: why, even on gold, the team goes to the LZ so early during wave 11? It's a bad strategy with all opponents, but against reapers it's a disaster. 

[AreleX]

Nicla Karsavina wrote...

TimonPumba wrote...

Damn your voice is relaxing.

Yes and it's even more than that, it' rich, warm and beautiful! 
Alas, impoliteness takes away everything.

thank you

...i think? i'm never impolite to anyone who hasn't first done something to warrant it.

Anyway, thank you very much for the guide; I didn't try this class yet, having played badly with the cerberus adept. I think that survivability is the main issue here - personally the only vanguard I bring to gold is the Krogan 60666, all fitness and barrier, with my superb Reegar Carbine X, but I'm a coward and prefer a prophylactic style most of the times (I think that if you're dying a lot, you're doing it wrong). So probably I'll take "The Survivor" set in this case.
One thing I don't understand: why, even on gold, the team goes to the LZ so early during wave 11? It's a bad strategy with all opponents, but against reapers it's a disaster. 

you're very welcome!

i totally agree about going to the lz early. thing is, vs reapers, it's very easy to get pushed back by a banshee rush if the team doesn't take care of it quickly, and it's even worse on glacier. the map is very small, so your only two options are getting sandwiched in the basement and rushed at the lz. normally, we stay out and kill until there are about 15-20 seconds left, then head to the lz. this run, i'm guessing it's just because we were all tired as hell and not using our heads, since it was like 6:30 am.

there's nothing wrong with running survivor until you get the hang of things. when you begin to feel more comfortable, and you notice things become second nature, then try switching to the glass cannon build. lash is a ton of fun, and i want everybody stepping their game up all the way so they can use it, too.

[Elecbender]

For anyone that has issues with this class about survivability:

You can do two things or both:
1. Equip Cyclonic Modulator III with a Shield Booster V. class will have 1150 minimum shields which is good enough.
2. Cycle through DR moves. Both melees give +50% DR (don't quote me I just heard it from someone testing) and Charge for a short duration after use gives +50 DR.
You can: Charge > Light Melee > Heavy Melee > Charge. Of course, watch out for Phantoms if you did not pick the force + damage evolution in Charge (I did not pick it nor will I ever but that reason alone might seem like an interesting option).

[AreleX]

all phoenix jade is being changed to all phoenix on anything but jade. map is just the worst. i'd happily take white or goddess, though.

we'll get our runs up soon as we can all get on at the same time again, hasn't happened since that last geth vid.

[Kronner]

AreleX wrote...

all phoenix jade is being changed to all phoenix on anything but jade. map is just the worst. i'd happily take white or goddess, though.

we'll get our runs up soon as we can all get on at the same time again, hasn't happened since that last geth vid.

We've already done it though. As well as the Vorcha on Goddess..
..so PC wins? 

Modifié par Kronner, 08 juin 2012 - 08:16 .

[AreleX]

Kronner wrote...

We've already done it though. As well as the Vorcha on Goddess..
..so PC wins? 

vorcha goddess i'm cool with. jade, though....

you know just how to get me to do some **** i don't want to do

>=(

[Kronner]

AreleX wrote...

Kronner wrote...

We've already done it though. As well as the Vorcha on Goddess..
..so PC wins? 

vorcha goddess i'm cool with. jade, though....

you know just how to get me to do some **** i don't want to do

>=(

You actually came up with the idea haha 
We did it only once, just to see what your time would be to know how much we need to improve ours 

[AreleX]

****...i did, didn't i

i say we tear both of the runs up as hard as we can, then post the vids/screens at the same time. i don't want you shameful pc players co-opting stealing my strats.



hopefully, the stars will align and we can knock these out before the end of the week.

Modifié par AreleX, 08 juin 2012 - 08:28 .

[Hypertion]

try with the 25% bonus power thing on charge.

its TOTALLY WORTHLESS 75% of the time but cool when that 25% actually freaking works..


after you try it change it back to the barrier..

again because the bonus power is totally useless 75% of the time.

[TheMightyG00sh]

Remember man, you move faster if you walk backwards when you have the package on your back, would only shave maybe a few seconds of your time but at the same time the quicker you can get the objective out the way the quicker you can kill the spawns. Also worth noting is that IF you get the Hack objective I would advise you to keep weak ATLAS or Prime's alive rather than killing them if there's only a smidgen of the hack left they'll only respawn again and not detracty from the waves budget.

As for the vanguard: great gameplay as usual, but it makes me said that I don't have one...