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[Komrade Kaos]

AreleX wrote...

RamsenC wrote...

I have the same build (glass cannon) since I thought fitness didn't work and it works surprisingly well. You can get away with being glass when you have the Reegar

Definitely one of the most fun classes.

i just hope people stop complaining about it long enough to really give it a chance. it's great fun.

People complain about It ( I hope) on any level other than Gold. Having someone frustrate your efforts in setting up targets in this way gets old very quickly. I often want to bail out of the match when someone whips out a reegar!  

[RamsenC]

I use the Wraith now that it's lighter earlier. <removed secret> My favorite class for now.

Modifié par RamsenC, 02 juillet 2012 - 09:24 .

[AreleX]

^ you need to keep that secret, lest people start complaining about it. i haven't posted it for that very reason

[godlike13]

RamsenC wrote...

I use the Wraith now that it's lighter earlier. <removed secret> My favorite class for now.

Thats what i roll with on my Cerberus Vanguard too. Im having a blast with this class.

Modifié par godlike13, 02 juillet 2012 - 09:26 .

[RamsenC]

Damn I was quoted too soon

edit: Ha thanks

Modifié par RamsenC, 02 juillet 2012 - 09:26 .

[AreleX]

good men, hold strong in the face of bsn adversity

*puts fist in the air*

edit: i have a talon x, and absolutely love it. if you can get the weapon to at least V, i'd suggest trying that. great recharge even without rank 6 phoenix training

Modifié par AreleX, 02 juillet 2012 - 09:33 .

[MaximilianPower]

Hmm, I've got a Wraith IV but haven't really used it. Maybe I'll give it a shot (so to speak). What mods do you guys use on it with the PV?

[Black Phantom]

MaximilianPower wrote...

Hmm, I've got a Wraith IV but haven't really used it. Maybe I'll give it a shot (so to speak). What mods do you guys use on it with the PV?

Smart Choke or you're doing it wrong.

High Caliber Barrel if you have AP ammo. Shredder Mod if you don't.

[RamsenC]

AreleX wrote...

edit: i have a talon x, and absolutely love it. if you can get the weapon to at least V, i'd suggest trying that. great recharge even without rank 6 phoenix training

The game refuses to give me a Talon. I do have  Javelin VII though...

Seems a lot less accurate than the Wraith, but I need to try it before I can really judge.

Modifié par RamsenC, 02 juillet 2012 - 09:39 .

[Major Durza]

A guide for one of the hardest classes to master.
It is starting. If this becomes overused, we are going to have a problem.
If this thing gets nerfed it will go from being situational and strong, to situational and weak.
It will become garbage.
So watch out for the nerfs, people. I hope they never hit the Pheonix classes.

[AreleX]

i believe the talon beats the wraith clean in all regards when they are at a similar rank. kronner would disagree, but that's how I feel, and what i've seen in personal experience.

[MaximilianPower]

Ashen Earth wrote...

MaximilianPower wrote...

Hmm, I've got a Wraith IV but haven't really used it. Maybe I'll give it a shot (so to speak). What mods do you guys use on it with the PV?

Smart Choke or you're doing it wrong.

High Caliber Barrel if you have AP ammo. Shredder Mod if you don't.

OK, thanks. When I originally tried the Wraith, I wasn't that impressed - perhaps because I have, indeed, been doing it wrong. I understand the reasoning, it's just so hard to turn down both barrel V and shredder V. I'll try the choke and AP ammo instead of shredder.

[Geek]

I think the Wraith is a good gun, but I have a hard time picking it over the talon when cooldown matters and over the claymore when it doesn't.

[AreleX]

Major Durza wrote...

A guide for one of the hardest classes to master.
It is starting. If this becomes overused, we are going to have a problem.
If this thing gets nerfed it will go from being situational and strong, to situational and weak.
It will become garbage.
So watch out for the nerfs, people. I hope they never hit the Pheonix classes.

overuse hinges on the class/weapon/tactic being easy enough that a wide majority of the playerbase can use it with little personal skill. in that regard, we will be perfectly fine.

i've shown people how to play the class, but i can't play the game for them, and you will not instantly become amazing after looking at this thread once. hell, i've laid everything out plain as day and people still complain about it.

of course, bioware has been known to pull out-of-nowhere, entirely nonsensical nerfs on occasion, so keep your fingers crossed.

i said it once, i will say it again, and hopefully they read it: the phoenix vanguard is perfectly balanced. unless fitness is indeed bugged on pc, it requires no further changes.

[MaximilianPower]

AreleX wrote...

i believe the talon beats the wraith clean in all regards when they are at a similar rank. kronner would disagree, but that's how I feel, and what i've seen in personal experience.

I've been using a Talon but it's only at I. Maybe my Wraith at IV has an advantage. Will test shortly.

[godlike13]

Ashen Earth wrote...

MaximilianPower wrote...

Hmm, I've got a Wraith IV but haven't really used it. Maybe I'll give it a shot (so to speak). What mods do you guys use on it with the PV?

Smart Choke or you're doing it wrong.

High Caliber Barrel if you have AP ammo. Shredder Mod if you don't.

Honestly, even with out AP ammo just stick with the High Caliber Barrel. The Shredder Mod only does a minuscule amount more damage against armor then the HCB, and only on Gold. Its like a difference of 5 more damage with the shredder mod against armor on Gold. Just not enough, given the HCB gives a damage bonus to everything.

[RamsenC]

Shooting through cover and quickly dispatching guardians is too nice. Since a lot of your damage comes from Smash you can do fine without barrel.

[Big Jack Shepard]

RamsenC wrote...

I use the Wraith now that it's lighter earlier. <removed secret> My favorite class for now.

I was thinking about using this character again but, now that there is something I am missing out on it kind of takes the fun out of it.

[Black Phantom]

godlike13 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

MaximilianPower wrote...

Hmm, I've got a Wraith IV but haven't really used it. Maybe I'll give it a shot (so to speak). What mods do you guys use on it with the PV?

Smart Choke or you're doing it wrong.

High Caliber Barrel if you have AP ammo. Shredder Mod if you don't.

Honestly, even with out AP ammo just stick with the High Caliber Barrel. The Shredder Mod only does a minuscule amount more damage against armor then the HCB, and only on Gold. Its like a difference of 5 more damage with the shredder mod against armor on Gold. Just not enough, given the HCB gives a damage bonus to everything.

Armor damage reduction is applied to each individual pellet, and that's -50 damage per pellet on Gold.

It also makes armored Husks/Cannibals/Guardians/Brutes easier to deal with, and can damage enemies that are behind cover.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 02 juillet 2012 - 10:07 .

[godlike13]

RamsenC wrote...

Shooting through cover and quickly dispatching guardians is too nice. Since a lot of your damage comes from Smash you can do fine without barrel.

Well i usally just smash the things that are using cover, but i guess shooting through guardian's shields is pretty cool.
Though i still just prefer the flat all around increase to damage myself.

Modifié par godlike13, 02 juillet 2012 - 10:22 .

[godlike13]

Ashen Earth wrote...

godlike13 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

MaximilianPower wrote...

Hmm, I've got a Wraith IV but haven't really used it. Maybe I'll give it a shot (so to speak). What mods do you guys use on it with the PV?

Smart Choke or you're doing it wrong.

High Caliber Barrel if you have AP ammo. Shredder Mod if you don't.

Honestly, even with out AP ammo just stick with the High Caliber Barrel. The Shredder Mod only does a minuscule amount more damage against armor then the HCB, and only on Gold. Its like a difference of 5 more damage with the shredder mod against armor on Gold. Just not enough, given the HCB gives a damage bonus to everything.

Armor damage reduction is applied to each individual pellet, and that's -50 damage per pellet on Gold.

It also makes armored Husks/Cannibals/Guardians/Brutes easier to deal with, and can damage enemies that are behind cover.

I know that armor damage reduction is applied to each individual pellet, but its still only like a difference of 5 more damage against armor on Gold [1]. Much rather take just a flat damage increase to everything (health, shields/barriers and armor), then 5 more damage to armor over HCB and being able to penetrate Guardian shields and light armor on Husk, Cannibals, Brutes. Whatever though, thats just my preference personally. Ymmv.

Modifié par godlike13, 02 juillet 2012 - 10:28 .

[Rosalina is my BabyCakes]

Wonderful guide dude.

Yeah I have been using 6/6/6/4/4 since I got him and I love it

[DarkAbsolution]

I've been using the following build to good success

Charge: 4b
Smash: 4a, 5a, 6a
Lash: 4a, 5b, 6b
Phoenix Training: 4b
Fitness: 4b, 5a, 6b

Charge no higher than 4. Yes, I miss out on the 100% barrier recharge, but in practise I don't miss it. Charge (stagger), heavy melee, shoot, charge, => full shields anyway, lash/smash/shoot anything that's left.

I didn't worry about the Lash +50% biotic combo because in practise I found it to too situational and not as effective as simply having lash do more damage on the higher difficulties. Lash can do decent damage over time to armoured targets, even those that have shields. Can take out cerb turrets at range with Lash with about 5 casts.

The rest speak for themselves.

[o0WicKeT0o]

 

Dorje Sylas wrote...

Smash adds a floating effect to valid targets. Armored foes are not those. Just like Pull and other Lift style biotic Shields and Armor negate the effect. Personally I don't bank on getting biotic explosions off this class anyways, at least not without another biotic on the team. Smash itself is a fairly powerful move 

I use Charge as a close range, quick shield gate re-up. Not an attack method. This is slightly better IMO then the Adept as shield gate is your life in Gold. Not necessarily how much shield you have. Again it's not an attack method. It is a heal/transportation tool and should not be use to take you to a pack of enemies.

Thanks I think I have a better understanding of it now. But I'm still convinced I smash->lash detonated phantoms a bunch of times while their barriers were still up. And as AreleX said,  

AreleX wrote...

lash can only detonate on enemies without armor, yes

  Which doesnt include shields or barriers.

So when facing a boss like a banshee, it's faster to just smash? Not Lash->Smash detonate? Cause I usually detonate once or twice when fighting them. Usually priming with Lash when they're just out of range of Smash. 

Yeah I agree with the use of charge. And I play pretty much the exact same way you described. Using charge only as life line in emergencies. However there are times when the only thing you can do to live is charge. Like if you get flanked or something. But sometimes you die anyways because you only get 50% shield and don't stagger 3 enemies, which is huge. Sure I'd rather have charge over singularity, that wasn't really my point though. I want to try a different build and style of play more like in AreleX's video. So the whole conversation about playing with lvl 3 charge is irrelevant. Especially since each of the builds he's posted has charge at 6. I really appreciate your input though. Thanks a bunch.  

Modifié par o0WicKeT0o, 03 juillet 2012 - 03:29 .

[AreleX]

charge at 6 is non-negotiable, as it is your main survival tool, since you lack a real get-out-of-jail-free card like nova. you can very well use charge offensively with the radius evolution, i do all the time. it depends entirely on your abilities as a player, and your comfort level with the class.

when fighting a boss enemy, it is fastest to repeatedly smash. you should only smash -> charge detonate if there are other enemies around the boss that you need to take out.