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[TheButterflyEffect]

But straight romances are usually so... bleh!

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I'm with the majority on this one, no. It would be a terrible idea to make any Shepard or romance canon. Not to mention the unpleasant implications of making a "canon" sexual orientation for Shepard. The only thing that'd do is alienate fans whose playthroughs don't match up with the new canon, and even more because character creation would be restricted to only one gender. This sort of thing is best left to fanfiction or the imagination, rather than a game series based on player choice.

Modifié par The Sarendoctrinator, 09 juin 2012 - 07:22 .

[gisle]

Where does the femshep-is-canon aspect of this come from?

I've already stated my opinion on this. No, no child, it would be way more trouble than it's worth and force the story to be at least 60-90 years in the future and play a specific alien race.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Where does the femshep-is-canon aspect of this come from?

The part of the OP that says "Female Shepard and Liara's kid." If this ever happened, and I seriously don't think that it will, then a lot of people would see it as a forced canon when their own gender and relationship choices were discarded in favor of this one, the only one that carried over into the next (hypothetical) game.

[Eclipse merc]

I'm pretty sure canon shep is male

[Sal86]

I cannot say no enough times.

[cindercatz]

As an option, yes. As a canonized version that wipes out all the rest of our Sheps from the first trilogy? No way.

If there is a ME4, I hope you do have the option to play your adult kid (as opposed to say.. another generic space marine after we just played that, or *other generic trope here*), or if it's way out in the future, then Liara's kid, because the others would all be dead. I do not, under any circumstances, want a game set in Mass Effect's past. I don't want to play Shepard or Shepard's corpse (my basic view of one rumor) again. I do prefer some crossover and continuity. I do prefer to have Liara back as a major character (party member or major NPC), and Wrex is a similar quality role to ME3, if he survived your trilogy.

If you did romance Liara, playing Liara's kid next to her mother would add something new, never before seen, to video games, and it would be cool. Very cool. So cool I'd be sad for the absense of it. If you did romance her, that's a far better scenario than Liara mourning and lost in her work if she ever shows up again, so if she's in the next story at all, this needs to be an option, otherwise I won't believe her character (in the obvious way she'd have to be, moved on and basically forgetting everything you did in the first series like it was nothing). She'd be in a bad state, not nearly as much fun. And that would make me want to forget the game and skip the series, honestly, because it'd kill my story, and story is 90% of why I play BioWare games. I don't even like most shooters. If you didn't romance her and you play another character, it's no loss or gain to you either way, so what do you care? I don't think people are really that unreasonable. You'd get over the option being there.

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Non-human, yes. Choice, even better. Somebody-important-From-ME1/2/3's kid, no.

And don't think about generalizing the idea to be a choice between Liara/Garrus/Shepard/Human-LI's child as different races age differently. I had the argument in one thread, 35 years is grown up able human/turian, but a 35 year old asari still have 15-20 years left of her childhood.

Yep, we had that discussion. I still disagree.

Anything else I'd add to this thread I've already said there.

[MegaBadExample]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

But straight romances are usually so... bleh!

LOL THIS MADE ME LAUGH.

Yeah, I disagree.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 09 juin 2012 - 09:36 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

Male shep, canon? Ugh no. His voice actor was so expressionless and untalented.

Now Jennifer Hale? HELL YES. She is so good. Can't top the woman who voiced Cinderella!

[PsiFive]

darkness reborn wrote...

No.
Mass Effect is dead, let it rest in peace.

^ This.

[gisle]

cindercatz wrote...

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Non-human, yes. Choice, even better. Somebody-important-From-ME1/2/3's kid, no.

And don't think about generalizing the idea to be a choice between Liara/Garrus/Shepard/Human-LI's child as different races age differently. I had the argument in one thread, 35 years is grown up able human/turian, but a 35 year old asari still have 15-20 years left of her childhood.

Yep, we had that discussion. I still disagree.

Anything else I'd add to this thread I've already said there.

Many do hate Liara and the asari in general, I don't, but many do. The less impact a origin story have on the story, the more resources can be spent on the general main story with references here and there. Having one origin-exclusive quest(line), like in ME1 is likely the most you can expect, as there are people who also/rather want to play as a turian, human or maybe even a salarian. Furthermore, ME4 -- if set after ME3 -- would need to give satisfying consequneces for many very, very big choices in ME3 like Rannoch and Tuchanka's outcome.

If they choose to implement this however, it will not turn out as you expect, they will have to cut it short and have Liara die on you or to be generalizing very quickly, like the Shadow Broker speaking through an agent with perhaps a little subtle twist in a (major) quest or two. If people learned she was the SB's daughter, she would have to sleep with one eye open all the time as people would want to use this to get to the Shadow Broker.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 09 juin 2012 - 10:13 .

[cindercatz]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

cindercatz wrote...

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Non-human, yes. Choice, even better. Somebody-important-From-ME1/2/3's kid, no.

And don't think about generalizing the idea to be a choice between Liara/Garrus/Shepard/Human-LI's child as different races age differently. I had the argument in one thread, 35 years is grown up able human/turian, but a 35 year old asari still have 15-20 years left of her childhood.

Yep, we had that discussion. I still disagree.

Anything else I'd add to this thread I've already said there.

Many do hate Liara and the asari in general, I don't, but many do. The less impact a origin story have on the story, the more resources can be spent on the general main story with references here and there. Having one origin-exclusive quest(line), like in ME1 is likely the most you can expect, as there are people who also/rather want to play as a turian, human or maybe even a salarian. Furthermore, ME4 -- if set after ME3 -- would need to give satisfying consequneces for many very, very big choices in ME3 like Rannoch and Tuchanka's outcome.

If they choose to implement this however, it will not turn out as you expect, they will have to cut it short and have Liara die on you or to be generalizing very quickly, like the Shadow Broker speaking through an agent with perhaps a little subtle twist in a (major) quest or two. If people learned she was the SB's daughter, she would have to sleep with one eye open all the time as people would want to use this to get to the Shadow Broker.

Wouldn't that be a cool thing, though? Playing her, you'd have to look at the world around you differently, and that's kind of the point of offering alternative races and origins. (edit: Obviously, other than Liara dying, which I don't think is necessary at all.)

What I'd expect beyond that is different body language, alternate dialogue, and a few cutscenes, just like love interests change the game, very similar, but obviously unique to that kind of relationship. Whenever a PC would have a one on one scene with Liara, which isn't likely to be much if she's not romanced and you're not her daughter (obviously), then I would expect an alternate version of that or another scene. Treat it like you treat a love interest, investment wise. It's not a gameplay mechanic, it's a character dynamic. I'd also expect some kind of origin cutscene to introduce you to all the possible player characters, not necessarily anything playable beyond maybe a dialogue choice or two, if that. One questline per origin (so two or three total individual story beats) per origin choice would be fantastic, actually. I don't think all that adds up to anything small, just like I don't think the differences between Shepards should be minimized, as generally inconsequential to the overall story as they may be.

I can't really do anything about people who hate asari, though. They're a major part of what makes Mass Effect Mass Effect, and that's it. I'd think those people are most likely a significantly small minority, just judging from looking at the forums, playing the game with people, etc. All I can say is I still think it should be an option, and the other species, whatever you can afford. Other than Asari and Human, Turian I think is an obvious yes, Quarian slightly tougher but yes, Drell would be more difficult, but I think it'd be cool and not too much. Salarian would be much more difficult, requiring an entirely different voice performance, and Krogan would require even more investment, because you'd have to tweak the way you interact with the game world, design environments around it, etc.

Last thing. I don't see any problem with sacrificing some overall game length (if you're talking five, seven, ten hours, whatever) in exchange for more variety and fidelity within the game that you get. You know, 25 hours against 30, 30 against 40. I think that's a worthwhile trade off if budget demands. You'd get more bang for your choice buck.

Modifié par cindercatz, 09 juin 2012 - 12:35 .

[Robhuzz]

Big Liara fan here but I disapprove strongly.

Want BioWare to completely mess up her story and character? No? Then keep her out of ME4 completely. No appearance, no reference, no nothing. Liara's story is mixed up with Shepard's, both are over now.

And did you HAVE to specifically say female Shepard in the OP? We really don't need any more male vs female Shepard b*tching on these forums

[naddaya]

No. Hell, no. There's been enough canonization already.

[SinnSly]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Male shep, canon? Ugh no. His voice actor was so expressionless and untalented.

Now Jennifer Hale? HELL YES. She is so good. Can't top the woman who voiced Cinderella!

^ This! *.*

[Aurora313]

God! No! A trillion times, no!

Aside from the fact that the ME series is now closed off to a game set after the destruction of the Mass Relays. If Shepard's kid, or someone from their bloodline becomes the next protagonist, I'd rather have a human character as other parent. Liara's been crammed down our throats enough!

[Gaurthurt]

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

[rubynorman]

No. But if Liara is your Shep's LI, you can meet her daughter and make her a squad member, it would be cool . If Liara isn't Shep's LI, make a new asari to be a squad member.

[Ageless Face]

No.

Liara is nice and all, but I'm tired of the favorism she has. If my Shep will have Liara as her love interest and not Kaidan I will really stop playing ME. I don't want Liara as a love interest, and I don't want to see Shepard's kid. Shepard's legacy should be his/her own.

[BrowncoatN7]

No. There should definitely not be a canon love interest, and Liara has enough attention as it is. I'm not a big fan of her, and I definitely don't want Shep to have a kid with her.

[Selene Moonsong]

If handled correctly, I wouldn't mind at all, as long as the focus isn't on Liara.

However, I don't see such happening in since it would require a DA Origins style prologue with multiple beginnings, which would also require parallel dialogue for every parent possibility throughout the game.

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 09 juin 2012 - 02:44 .

[Dreadstruck]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...
But straight romances are usually so... bleh!

Some of these fanfictions are even more bleh. Keep them out of the canon please. Shepard doesn't have a set gender nor LI no matter how much you want that to happen.
(and guys, while Male Shep is a poster boy, he is *not* canon as well)

As for Jen Hale, she isn't bad, in fact, her getting the voice acting awards means something, but her butch and overreacting voice just annoys me.

Bastila Shan, Mazzy Fentan or Jennifer Mui. She was great there. But I'd still take Meer over her as a Shepard any day in a goddamn week.

Also, everytime she gives a speech or says the word "Collectors" .... the amount of emphasis she puts in that word alone makes my face go like this.

*some of these images posted in violation of Site Rule # 6 make me grimace as well*

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 09 juin 2012 - 11:23 .

[cindercatz]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

If handled correctly, I wouldn't mind at all, as long as the focus isn't on Liara.

However, I don't see such happening in since it would require a DA Origins style prologue with multiple beginnings, which would also require parallel dialogue for every parent possibility throughout the game.

It would require the DA:O style prologue and the alternate dialogue, yes, but if we're going to have the option to play multiple races, I would expect that anyway or it's not worth it. Personally, I'd much rather have the option and get to play other species, and just sacrifice a few missions or overall game length to get it. Plus, the origins don't have to be highly playable, since their primary purpose is to introduce you to the character, not teach game mechanics. Nor would they have to be exorbitantly long. And the parent possibilities would require multiple alternate dialogues, yes, but those only really need to come up when you're meeting a recurring character or when you're involved in any unique sidequests, other than Liara's daughter's relationship (like a love interest, alternate content wise, when you play her daughter), because I see that possibility as my main draw to the idea. That would be unique so far to anything I've seen.

Modifié par cindercatz, 09 juin 2012 - 03:07 .

[Lawrence0294]

GreenFlag wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

First off, there won't be any games set after ME3. That's been stated pretty clearly despite the unhappiness it caused among fans--including myself. But that's what happens when you decide to literally blow up your franchise.

You don't know that.
EA don't allow to Bioware kill Mass Effect, you know the reason and most fans want ME4.
(If they don't screw-up the EC)

btw: Why everyone here play for femShep, I really don't like her

Actually we do know, Casey said it himself : if there had to be a next mass effect, it would be a prequel. ME3 is the last chapter of the chronology

To the OP............
 

[JamieCOTC]

For a fanfic, sure, but not for a game. Shep's already going to be canonized as a guy for the movie w/ Ashley very likely the canon LI. But for the game, my Shep, your Shep, everyone's Shep is Shepard. BW's been dropping tons of hints the next ME game will be an MMO anyway, so just pretend it's Shep and Liara's kid. I want a Salarian janitor armed only w/ a broom.