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[Archontor]

Seival wrote...

No theories here...

I just think that extended "Old Man and a Kid" scene could be a nice way to present full EC epilogue. The scene is not necessarily should be as static as the current one. But the main concept of the scene is very good for the epilogue.

I hope BioWare will uprise the scene to the new level, and use it the create the most beautiful epilogue in the game development history. This could be for example a fully animated dialogue scene with a lot of "flashbacks showing the past".

...Keep doing great job, BioWare! We trust in you

 

Do you just live to support literally THE stupidest options available.

[Foxhound2121]

Seriously disgusts me that the OP would make this thread.

[babymoon]

That scene is an abomination.

[Bob3terd]

Id rather they cut corners and did text boxes lol.

[Seival]

babymoon wrote...

That scene is an abomination.

That scene was just misunderstood. And most importantly, as I already said, it's too short for a true epilogue right now.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

babymoon wrote...

That scene is an abomination.

That scene was just misunderstood. And most importantly, as I already said, it's too short for a true epilogue right now.

Oh it's just "misunderstood".


There's nothing particularly difficult to understand, it's just sh*t. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 09 juin 2012 - 08:48 .

[shodiswe]

This scene has nothing to do with the end of galactic civilization..... It depicts what's said in the little textbox you get afterwards, shepard became a legend and people talk about him/her far into the future.

It's like the old man told the kid that he has to grow up before going out there on his own.

No, I've told you before you can't travel the universe on your own until you are old enough! But it will be fun and exciting I promice.

[The Love Runner]

Just came in to say that the reason for Space Grandpa's wackiness in that scene is that he didn't take his meds.

That is all.

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

babymoon wrote...

That scene is an abomination.

That scene was just misunderstood. And most importantly, as I already said, it's too short for a true epilogue right now.

Oh it's just "misunderstood".


There's nothing particularly difficult to understand, it's just sh*t. 

What exactly do you think was wrong about two humans talking about the past? This is very nice way to show the epilogue. BioWare just needs to improve the scene.

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

babymoon wrote...

That scene is an abomination.

That scene was just misunderstood. And most importantly, as I already said, it's too short for a true epilogue right now.

Oh it's just "misunderstood".


There's nothing particularly difficult to understand, it's just sh*t. 

What exactly do you think was wrong about two humans talking about the past? This is very nice way to show the epilogue. BioWare just needs to improve the scene.

No. They should show us the consequences of our actions, not friggin talk about it.
Even ending slides would be better.

[wright1978]

shodiswe wrote...

This scene has nothing to do with the end of galactic civilization..... It depicts what's said in the little textbox you get afterwards, shepard became a legend and people talk about him/her far into the future.

It's like the old man told the kid that he has to grow up before going out there on his own.

No, I've told you before you can't travel the universe on your own until you are old enough! But it will be fun and exciting I promice.

Really then why does grandpa talk about Shep in quasi religious tones? The Shephard, grimaces in disgust at more stupid symbolism.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

What exactly do you think was wrong about two humans talking about the past? This is very nice way to show the epilogue. BioWare just needs to improve the scene.

So you're assuming I dislike the literal part. 

Wrong. 

I dislike the themes, the reasons behind the scene. It attempts to add closure to a series that, at the point of first witnessing it, had left me incredibly unsatisfied. Having just left the galaxy in an state of monumental uncertainty, showing this man and child talk about how Shepard is a legend, is a stupid way of capping the story off. Making Shepard become "The Shepard" is needlessly pretentious, and just stupid. It feels disconnected, tacked on, and it's generally lazy, taking the place of real epilogues. It solves nothing, it has no meaning or worth to the story. 

[filetemo]

extended cut:

camera zooms in and grandpa and son are husks

[shodiswe]

Because "the shepard" became a legend that's told for thousands of years?

I can't see the problem here. Shepard saved all current races from annihilation... not so sure about the geth.. but... well.. depends on your choices and what they really do.

I hate the catalyst conversation though, it's far too railroaded.

Anyway the stargazer has nothign to do with the downfall of civilization or the aftermath of shepards adventure other than saying he became a legend, the credits have been put between the stargazer scene and the endign before that. The stargazer scene is linked to the the little text box saying shepard became a legend, buy some DLC.

So no it's not about the end of galactic civilization, it's a fancy way of celebrating shepards achivement and telling the player to buy future DLC... another story about "the Shepard".

[shodiswe]

Seeing this thread tells me that the EC will help make a lot of people happy seeing the galaxy recover... Because it will, nothing in the ending told us the galaxy was doomed.
The relays were always supposed to control organic civilization and limit technological advancement,

It still wont fix the fact that shepard stood there liek a fool who has lost all sense... He/she has nothing better to say? Seriusly that catalyst/reaper gets all the dialogue....

[Arturia Pendragon]

Just be glad the Stargazer scene wasn't really just a kid playing with his Cmdr Shepard and Cthulhu action figures, implying the whole universe was just the kid's GI Joe fantasy.

Wait, actually, that might have been better.

Support the Toy Story Theory.

Modifié par Arturia Pendragon, 09 juin 2012 - 09:24 .

[shodiswe]

Don't worry about it you will get a happy endign with ponys, rainbows and happy people building a new future discovering new tech that the relays that made irrelevant to fund while they were still operational..
The crew will get picked up, and above all they also discoved a new inhabitable planet in the Sol starcluster ready for colonization. Maybe it will be called... Shepards paradise?  Shepards Oasis? or Maybe "Normandy"? Or new normandy...

Modifié par shodiswe, 09 juin 2012 - 09:29 .

[Confused-Shepard]

You people have absolutely NO concept of symbolism or poetry do you? Everything must be laid out plain and simple? You must me spoon fed everything? Then THIS happened, then THAT happened, you had babies, a little house on the prairie etc.

Yes the ending was terrible. YES there was NO epilogue scene whatsoever. But, the Stargazer scene is fine. It's rather melancholic & sweet in nature. I understand the feelings behind it, the deeper meaning they were trying to convey but failed to do so. The galaxy went through a harsh time but is now slowly recovering. But oh no!!! BSN needs their cliche superhero Shepard making babies and holding up an American flag in victory.

Modifié par Confused-Shepard, 09 juin 2012 - 09:31 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Seival wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I think they should cut that all together, it makes me cringe every time I see it.

And I don't have such feelings while I'm watching the scene. It's good scene, it's just too short...

So bad VA and writing is good.

Bet you like twilight too.

[wright1978]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

You people have absolutely NO concept of symbolism or poetry do tyou? Everything must be laid out plain and simple? You must me spoon fed everything? Then THIS happened, then THAT happened, you had babies, a little house on the prairie etc.

Yes the ending was terrible. YES there was NO epilogue scene whatsoever. But, the Stargazer scene is fine. It's rather melancholy in nature and I understand the feelings behind it. The galaxy went through a harsh time but is now slowly recovering. But oh no!!! BSN needs their cliche superhero Shepard making babies and holding up an American flag in victory.

Sorry but heavy handed symbolism is terrible. It's terrible in the adam and eve stuff with joker and edi in the normandy scene and its terrible in the jesus symbolism of the epilogue.

[The Night Mammoth]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

You people have absolutely NO concept of symbolism or poetry do you? Everything must be laid out plain and simple? You must me spoon fed everything? Then THIS happened, then THAT happened, you had babies, a little house on the prairie etc.

Yes the ending was terrible. YES there was NO epilogue scene whatsoever. But, the Stargazer scene is fine. It's rather melancholic & sweet in nature. I understand the feelings behind it, the deeper meaning they were trying to convey but failed to do so. The galaxy went through a harsh time but is now slowly recovering. But oh no!!! BSN needs their cliche superhero Shepard making babies and holding up an American flag in victory.

I swear to god it's like I'm walking up the yellow brick road right now. 

[Confused-Shepard]

wright1978 wrote...

Confused-Shepard wrote...

You people have absolutely NO concept of symbolism or poetry do tyou? Everything must be laid out plain and simple? You must me spoon fed everything? Then THIS happened, then THAT happened, you had babies, a little house on the prairie etc.

Yes the ending was terrible. YES there was NO epilogue scene whatsoever. But, the Stargazer scene is fine. It's rather melancholy in nature and I understand the feelings behind it. The galaxy went through a harsh time but is now slowly recovering. But oh no!!! BSN needs their cliche superhero Shepard making babies and holding up an American flag in victory.

Sorry but heavy handed symbolism is terrible. It's terrible in the adam and eve stuff with joker and edi in the normandy scene and its terrible in the jesus symbolism of the epilogue.

And that is complelety Bioware's fault. Like I said, the concept behind the scene is fine but the execution is terrible. One minor change I would make is that Shepard would NOT be called "The Shepard". It needs better writing but the idea is good. Better if it was a known charecter. Like Liara instead of Buzz Aldrin. 1000 years old and remeniscing on past events. 

EDIT:

The Harry Potter books end with the main trio as Adults sending their kids off to Hogwarts
THAT is what we need. A personal connection. People we know talking about their past adventures

Modifié par Confused-Shepard, 09 juin 2012 - 09:43 .

[Seival]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

Like I said, the concept behind the scene is fine but the execution is terrible.

Exactly...

...And I believe EC will fix that. That's why I created support thread. BioWare needs support, not a blind hate to make good EC. When some people here will finally understand this?

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

Confused-Shepard wrote...

Like I said, the concept behind the scene is fine but the execution is terrible.

Exactly...

...And I believe EC will fix that. That's why I created support thread. BioWare needs support, not a blind hate to make good EC. When some people here will finally understand this?

No one here hates BioWare. Your point is invalid. 

[DWH1982]

No thanks. Just... no.