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[The Hunter of Legends]

Mr.House wrote...

The Hunter of Legends wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

When it comes to writing Mass Effect has always been mediocre, whatever praise there is should be given to the animators and  cinematic narrative designers but certainly not the writers, not that there wasn't some decent characterisation now and then or some  interesting conflicts, but almost all of that was local, self contained and short-lived.

Jesus we have high standards in this place.

What were you expecting Citizen Kane from Sci-Fi?

Excepting decent writing is not high standards. People who think that need to play more games.

Perhaps that's your opinion?

Word on the street from most people is that Bioware does in fact have decent writing.

[The Hunter of Legends]

Fixers0 wrote...

The Hunter of Legends wrote...

Jesus we have high standards in this place.

What were you expecting Citizen Kane from Sci-Fi?

When looking at it's literary qualities Mass Effect in general doesn't elevate it self above being mediocre. Almost everything that I consider to be "good" can be almost entirely attributed to the presentation.

I disagree in the case of Jack, Legion, Genophage, Saren and Edi pre Me3. In other cases I don't think it's top notch but its still leagues ahead of most other video games.

Now compared to books yes but even Last of Us pales to alot of literary works.

[Fixers0]

The Hunter of Legends wrote...

I disagree in the case of Jack, Legion, Genophage, Saren and Edi pre Me3. In other cases I don't think it's top notch but its still leagues ahead of most other video games.

Personal perceptions, at least in my book, don't equal literary qualities. the fact that a military operation requires an insane, pyshopathic, convicted murderer for no good reason doesn't speak well of them either.

[Mr.House]

The Hunter of Legends wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The Hunter of Legends wrote...

Jesus we have high standards in this place.

What were you expecting Citizen Kane from Sci-Fi?

When looking at it's literary qualities Mass Effect in general doesn't elevate it self above being mediocre. Almost everything that I consider to be "good" can be almost entirely attributed to the presentation.

I disagree in the case of Jack, Legion, Genophage, Saren and Edi pre Me3. In other cases I don't think it's top notch but its still leagues ahead of most other video games.

Now compared to books yes but even Last of Us pales to alot of literary works.

Saren? Really? Saren was horrible pure evil character that failed.

[ElitePinecone]

Getting pretty off-topic here people.

[The Hunter of Legends]

Fixers0 wrote...

 the fact that a military operation requires an insane, pyshopathic, convicted murderer.

You don't look outside in the real world often do you?

I see no difference in opinion on your part. What you see as "bad" isn't objective fact. Plot holes, cliche and poorly thought out plot elements are bad.

Wether using a crazy person in a miltary operation (which isn't true, Cerberus are Terrorists) which happens in the real world is subjective.

Not saying everyone bow down and admit Bioware is flawless, but a little respect would be nice.

[The Hunter of Legends]

Mr.House wrote...

The Hunter of Legends wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The Hunter of Legends wrote...

Jesus we have high standards in this place.

What were you expecting Citizen Kane from Sci-Fi?

When looking at it's literary qualities Mass Effect in general doesn't elevate it self above being mediocre. Almost everything that I consider to be "good" can be almost entirely attributed to the presentation.

I disagree in the case of Jack, Legion, Genophage, Saren and Edi pre Me3. In other cases I don't think it's top notch but its still leagues ahead of most other video games.

Now compared to books yes but even Last of Us pales to alot of literary works.

Saren? Really? Saren was horrible pure evil character that failed.

Being a villian and pure evil is bad writing?

Well there goes about 70-90% of classical literature.

Aright back on topic, I will speak no more on this.

Modifié par The Hunter of Legends, 11 août 2013 - 10:29 .

[The Heretic of Time]

The Hunter of Legends wrote...
Word on the street from most people is that Bioware does in fact have decent writing.

No, word on the street is that BioWare USED TO HAVE decent writing.

[Fixers0]

The Hunter of Legends wrote...
I see no difference in opinion on your part. What you see as "bad" isn't objective fact. Plot holes, cliche and poorly thought out plot elements are bad.

Bringing mentally unstable murderer without any form of damage control onboard is a potentional harm to the operation and poor writing.

The Hunter of Legends wrote...
Wether using a crazy person in a miltary operation (which isn't true, Cerberus are Terrorists) which happens in the real world is subjective.

See above.

Modifié par Fixers0, 11 août 2013 - 10:31 .

[Sebby]

ME has some pretty embarrassing schlock writing in it, especially in it's sequels like Lazarus and the "Genetic diversity' giant baby arnold plot.

[Mr.House]

Seboist wrote...

ME has some pretty embarrassing schlock writing in it, especially in it's sequels like Lazarus and the "Genetic diversity' giant baby arnold plot.

Starbrat is a masterpeice yo!

[The Hunter of Legends]

Fixers0 wrote...

The Hunter of Legends wrote...
I see no difference in opinion on your part. What you see as "bad" isn't objective fact. Plot holes, cliche and poorly thought out plot elements are bad.

Bringing mentally unstable murderer without any form of damage control onboard is a potentional harm to the operation and poor writing.

See above.

You shoot her if she gets out of line, and the fact that you render assistence to her with promise/ability to in loyalty mission would prevent that.

You also learn that she only kills those that are a threat to her, which you are currently not. She is emotionally damaged and crazy, not completely bonkers.

[The Hunter of Legends]

Seboist wrote...

ME has some pretty embarrassing schlock writing in it, especially in it's sequels like Lazarus and the "Genetic diversity' giant baby arnold plot.

Of course no narrative is ever flawless, and ME is far from it but compared to other stories out there in video games it is.

Now lets get this back on topic folks.

[AresKeith]

 Yes back on topic with this 

David7204 wrote...
I really can't think of any game where I would be pleased to hear 'The Lead Writer of ____________ is now the lead writer for Mass Effect!'

[Leonia]

Let me know when the BSN stops equating "I don't like it" with "bad writing". Also wake me up if we get some tweets.

[Seival]

leonia42 wrote...

Let me know when the BSN stops equating "I don't like it" with "bad writing". Also wake me up if we get some tweets.

Only quite few people keep repeating that "bad writing" nonsense. They don't know what are they talking about, and refuse to sense their own delusion... Just ignore them, because unfortunately there always will be so stubborn people on BSN at some capacity.

[Fixers0]

Seival wrote...
Only quite few people keep repeating that "bad writing" nonsense. They don't know what are they talking about, and refuse to sense their own delusion... Just ignore them, because unfortunately there always will be so stubborn people on BSN at some capacity.

Says the Number One BSN poster that decieves himself. The fact that you're unwilling or uncapable to properly reply to critical posts encourage other people to do the same only further weakens your position. 

[Seival]

Fixers0 wrote...

Seival wrote...
Only quite few people keep repeating that "bad writing" nonsense. They don't know what are they talking about, and refuse to sense their own delusion... Just ignore them, because unfortunately there always will be so stubborn people on BSN at some capacity.

Says the Number One BSN poster that decieves himself. The fact that you're unwilling or uncapable to properly reply to critical posts encourage other people to do the same only further weakens your position. 

Yes, yes, keep hating me and leave BioWare alone. Let them do their job.

[Lieber]

Great, now let's end the discussion here before this thread gets locked.

[Sparbiter]

Man, I saw two new pages and thought we got done exiting new info. Now i'm disappointed.

I bet we get done teaser tweets this week. Gamescon starts next Monday right?

[rashie]

Sparbiter wrote...

Man, I saw two new pages and thought we got done exiting new info. Now i'm disappointed.

I bet we get done teaser tweets this week. Gamescon starts next Monday right?

Gamescom starts the 21th (wednesday) but i would not be surprised if they save ME4 info for later to not overshadow Dragon age 3.

Modifié par rashie, 12 août 2013 - 05:49 .

[Dubozz]

Seival wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Seival wrote...
Only quite few people keep repeating that "bad writing" nonsense. They don't know what are they talking about, and refuse to sense their own delusion... Just ignore them, because unfortunately there always will be so stubborn people on BSN at some capacity.

Says the Number One BSN poster that decieves himself. The fact that you're unwilling or uncapable to properly reply to critical posts encourage other people to do the same only further weakens your position. 

Yes, yes, keep hating me and leave BioWare alone. Let them do their job.

Don't argue. It's true.

[JeffZero]

I've been away from BSN for long enough to be reminded in fill that the extremist negative opinion stream is largely a BSN thing.

[chris2365]

JeffZero wrote...

I've been away from BSN for long enough to be reminded in fill that the extremist negative opinion stream is largely a BSN thing.

BSN will always be BSN