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[Blooddrunk1004]

ElitePinecone wrote...

So, just because you're angry about the endings the entire concept of player choice should be thrown out the window? Do you understand how other people could be upset that their final choice isn't being respected?

Final choices not being respected? Yes our choices were really respected when we realized saving /killing council didn't change anything or sparing/ destroying Collectors base only made 50 points difference in War Assets. There were some stuff where Bioware took our decisions into notice, but final decisions were not one of them.

David7204 wrote...

There is a world of difference between
accepting prequels and accepting a canonical ME 3 ending choice. Why?
Because a prequel is all that the story will ever be. No matter how good
it is, the galaxy will never move past the Reaper invasion, never move
past an ending many people hate. Whereas while a canonical ending choice
might well be unpleasent, the story can move forward. Grow. The story
is not confined to being about the choice for the rest of forever, while
a prequel assures the story will be confined under the Reaper
invasion.

^^
This 100x times!

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 08 novembre 2013 - 10:59 .

[ElitePinecone]

David7204 wrote...
Whereas while a canonical ending choice might well be unpleasent, the story can move forward. Grow. The story is not confined to being about the ME 3 ending choice for the rest of forever, while a prequel assures the story will be confined under the Reaper invasion. 

The story can't move forward by going backwards? Growth of the lore has little to do with chronology, KOTOR is a great example of that. 

A new story set on new planets with new characters, a new protagonist with a new ship, new enemies, features and organisations can still be set in 2165. Its choices and themes are relevant no matter what happened in ME3.

If wanting the next Mass Effect to be set post-ME3 is really a plea for retconning, ignoring or 'canoninising' the endings (or related to fear that everything from now on will only ever chronlogically end up in the disappointment of Shepard's choice) then I'm sympathetic to that view, but doing away with the importance of the ending choice just strikes me as destroying the meaning of Shepard's trilogy, no matter how much you're upset with it. What's done is done, and if Bioware were having second thoughts about the finality of ME3, they'd have made the ending consequences in Extended Cut similar and ambiguous, instead of dissimilar, diverging and specific.

In hindsight someone at Bioware might well consider ME3 a narrative mistake, in that it altered things in the galaxy so drastically that it's next to impossible to set things afterwards without ignoring or downplaying the final decision (if they ever think about those things as obsessively and single-mindedly as BSN people, I guess). But the game was apparently intended as a way to end this storyline with a huge impact on the universe that would change things for millennia if not forever, and backing down on that would be a bigger mistake.

[Blooddrunk1004]

KOTOR is set 4000 years before the rise of the Galactic Empire,  KOTOR saga doesn't end in a huge explosion and it was never about "saving the world from evil" but it was about saving yourself from the dark side or embracing it. That's the reason why it worked as a prequel.

Deus Ex: HR, Batman: AO, Assassin's Creed 4 (history timeline) are all prequels done right.

With Mass Effect it will be hard to achieve that because we will most likely be forced to play humans again and nothing interesting happened before The First Contact War and Shepard was already born in that timeline, unless if Bioware decides to allow us to play different species. But like i already said i won't be able to play ME prequel without having that ending stuck in my head the whole time.

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 08 novembre 2013 - 01:14 .

[David7204]

For the record, the DLC for ME 3 has heavily been skewed towards supporting Destroy.

Leviathan basically attacks the Catalyst's argument and purpose. It shows that the Catalyst is more or less a mistake and throws scrutiny on the notion that Synthetics and Organics must always be in conflict. So Shepard has much, much less reason to give weight to what the Catalyst says and thus to choose Control or Synthesis.

Secondly, the Citadel DLC. They could have backed down from Shepard surviving, they could have made the love interest conversations about sacrifice and all that crap. But they didn't. They doubled down. The conversations with the love interests are along the tune of "I know you'll get us through this, I know you'll survive, I know there's a future for us afterwards."

Modifié par David7204, 08 novembre 2013 - 01:22 .

[Arcian]

David7204 wrote...

For the record, the DLC for ME 3 has heavily been skewed towards supporting Destroy.

This is what uncouth profilgates actually use their minimal and animalistic intellect to think.

David7204 wrote...

Leviathan basically attacks the Catalyst's argument and purpose. It shows that the Catalyst is more or less a mistake and throws scrutiny on the notion that Synthetics and Organics must always be in conflict. So Shepard has much, much less reason to give weight to what the Catalyst says and thus to choose Control or Synthesis.

Confirmed for having not played Leviathan. The Leviathan outright states the Catalyst isn't a mistake, that it is right in its reasoning and that its solution is valid. They just don't like being killed or Reaperized over it, is all.

David7204 wrote...

Secondly, the Citadel DLC. They could have backed down from Shepard surviving, they could have made the love interest conversations about sacrifice and all that crap. But they didn't. They doubled down. The conversations with the love interests are along the tune of "I know you'll get us through this, I know you'll survive, I know there's a future for us afterwards."

Confirmed for having not played Citadel.

No, the theme for the entire DLC is that they should enjoy one last day together before the proverbial crap hits the fan and they all die. The final lines "We've had a good run." "The best." makes it sound inescapably final, which it is and always have been from the start.

[Linkenski]

David7204 wrote...

For the record, the DLC for ME 3 has heavily been skewed towards supporting Destroy.

Leviathan basically attacks the Catalyst's argument and purpose. It shows that the Catalyst is more or less a mistake and throws scrutiny on the notion that Synthetics and Organics must always be in conflict. So Shepard has much, much less reason to give weight to what the Catalyst says and thus to choose Control or Synthesis.

Secondly, the Citadel DLC. They could have backed down from Shepard surviving, they could have made the love interest conversations about sacrifice and all that crap. But they didn't. They doubled down. The conversations with the love interests are along the tune of "I know you'll get us through this, I know you'll survive, I know there's a future for us afterwards."

This is kinda true, and it seems like Bioware has been doing that ever since they realised that a lot of people leaned towards destroy more than the other options.

I still hope we're in for a sequel, but I guess not. I'm honestly fine with it if they canonize an ending though. I don't like the three choices very much and I'd love to see ME move past those scarring endings, instead of trying to avoid them.

[Iakus]

Linkenski wrote...

I still hope we're in for a sequel, but I guess not. I'm honestly fine with it if they canonize an ending though. I don't like the three choices very much and I'd love to see ME move past those scarring endings, instead of trying to avoid them.

This is why I favor a complete AU.  For better or worse, Shepard's story is over.  Move on to a new story in the Mass Effect setting, and don't be shackled by what happened before.  The Mass Effect trilogy is a self-contained trilogy.  Move on to a new story, just as Neverwinter Nights has no connection to Baldur's Gate, even though they are both in the Forgotten Realms setting.

[Nitrocuban]

ElitePinecone wrote...

pablodomi wrote...

Several pictures remind me of the 'uncharted planets' exploration from ME1, which is something they said they'd look at. I wouldn't be surprised if many planets included 'hubs' and areas that you're free to explore (DA:I is taking that route). Those areas you can explore would feel less limited than, let's say, Noveria and Feros, where everything was quite railroaded once you got out of Port Hanshan and Zhu's Hope.

Yeah, I think a focus on exploration and larger worlds is likely. And if they put the Mako in again I'll be super happy.

Open world exploration and pve dungeon planets would be so cool...

[InterrogationBear]

New ‘Mass Effect’ announcement coming during 2013 VGAs 

Not a tweet, but still very exiting if true.

[SlottsMachine]

InterrogationBear wrote...

New ‘Mass Effect’ announcement coming during 2013 VGAs 

Not a tweet, but still very exiting if true.

I'm pretty sure the original Major Coats trailer debuted during the 2011 VGA's. 

[LisuPL]

InterrogationBear wrote...

New ‘Mass Effect’ announcement coming during 2013 VGAs 

Not a tweet, but still very exiting if true.

WOW.

I hope this is 100% true, if they officially announce ME "4" and give us a trailer, then my soul can calmly wait for the new ME.

[Lost Mercenary]

Christmas is coming early people!

[Lieber]

There's most likely an error in that article. It says that their source said that the game might be released end of 2014 but are discussing early 2014 too? Impossible, they aren't far enough in development for it to release in a couple of months plus they won't have time for marketing and end of 2014 is Dragon Age Inquisition. They must've meant 2015.

[chris2365]

Lieber wrote...

There's most likely an error in that article. It says that their source said that the game might be released end of 2014 but are discussing early 2014 too? Impossible, they aren't far enough in development for it to release in a couple of months plus they won't have time for marketing and end of 2014 is Dragon Age Inquisition. They must've meant 2015.

You're probably right. DAI is coming late 2014, and even that is being debated internally by EA (rumors). DAI has been in developpement for longer, so I don't expect MENext to come out any earlier than 2015. 

That VGA trailer rumor sounds promising though:)

[rapscallioness]

omg. OMG. What did i miss? What. Did I. Miss!?!

Oh, sweet baby jesus in the morning! there's picsssssss.......

[B.Shep]

A trailer? I kinda doubt we will see one so soon.

Modifié par B.Shep, 08 novembre 2013 - 10:05 .

[Jaulen]

I'd agree...must be a typo...or pure hype....

2014 way way way too early.

2015 at the earliest.

Although I'd hope for their new IP (if it's still in development? in 2015) and push ME4 to 2016

[rapscallioness]

…so we can draw inspiration for the future. #N7Day13 pic.twitter.com/0A2TSMVc4s

from ian frazier yesterday.

is the Mako returning? new and improved? if the mako is returning, i would love it if they added sum party banter while you're driving about in it. just a lil?

[rallyfan]

LisuPL wrote...

InterrogationBear wrote...

New ‘Mass Effect’ announcement coming during 2013 VGAs 

Not a tweet, but still very exiting if true.

WOW.

I hope this is 100% true, if they officially announce ME "4" and give us a trailer, then my soul can calmly wait for the new ME.

This does not seem reliable at all.  ME3 was announced at the 2011 VGA's.  Their just trying to get a lot of hits.  There is no way MEnext is coming out in 2014.  Sorry for anyone who got their hopes up from this.

[InterrogationBear]

rallyfan wrote...
ME3 was announced at the 2011 VGA's.

2010


We already saw teasers for Mirrors Edge and Battlefront at E3. Both games wil be released in 2015.
Bioware needs to remind people that Mass Effect still exists.

Modifié par InterrogationBear, 08 novembre 2013 - 10:59 .

[rallyfan]

InterrogationBear wrote...

rallyfan wrote...
ME3 was announced at the 2011 VGA's.

2010


We already saw teasers for Mirrors Edge and Battlefront at E3. Both games wil be released in 2015.
Bioware needs to remind people that Mass Effect still exists.

Looked it up and your right.  Sorry, my bad, but I still don't believe this article.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

InterrogationBear wrote...

rallyfan wrote...
ME3 was announced at the 2011 VGA's.

2010


We already saw teasers for Mirrors Edge and Battlefront at E3. Both games wil be released in 2015.
Bioware needs to remind people that Mass Effect still exists.

This.  ME3 was announced in 2010 VGA, with a 2011 Holiday release date, then obviously pushed back to to March 2012 which was announced at 2011 E3.  Keep in mind the ME3 announcement actually came within the same calendar year that ME2 released....  it's been a year and 8 months since ME3 released now, considerably longer than the timespan between ME2 release and ME3 announcement.  Expecting a ME4 reveal at VGA is really not farfetched at all.

This would fall in line with a similar timeline, considering ME4 is supposed to be released either 3rd trimester 2014 or early 2015.  Give a quick announcement at 2013 VGA in the form of a trailer like they did with ME3, slap on a "Holidays 2014" official release window, then if they need more time they can just push it back to 2015 at E3 or something to maintain a similar release window.

Either way, I fully expect a quick teaser trailer at VGA 2013, probably a magazine entry (like they did with GI for ME3 in early 2011) sometime before E3 next year, then a full/much-more-comprehensive reveal at E3 2014.

Modifié par SomeKindaEnigma, 08 novembre 2013 - 11:45 .

[rapscallioness]

A year and 8 months? My god, it really has been that long.

[Sion1138]

End of next year seems as likely as anything, it'll be two and a half years since the last outing.

I'm only waiting to hear whether it takes place before or after the last strokes of Mass Effect 3. That'll determine my future disposition towards the game.

Modifié par Sion1138, 09 novembre 2013 - 12:06 .

[SomeKindaEnigma]

rapscallioness wrote...

A year and 8 months? My god, it really has been that long.

Haha I had to backtrack after I wrote that, sure as hell doesn't seem like it's been that long already