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[EatChildren]

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious why Mirror's Edge has the popularity it does.

The story is lame. The setting isn't particularly interesting. The platforming is polished and works well, but just isn't fun enough to carry a franchise on it's own. 

Because it's different, and excels at what it tries to do. It came about during a generation of run-of-the-mill brown/grey shootbangs, every story mastibatory bro ******, and the ultimate objective to shoot aliens/foreigners in the head. It had an appealing, clean aesthetic, finely tuned first person platforming gameplay that emphasised mobility and athletics, driven by player skill and level mastery. The real Mirror's Edge wasnt the campaign, but the time trials, which accentuated the type of game it was.

I don't know if I'd call it popular so much as a cult hit, but one that deserves that status. Diversity in presentation and play are important to the industry and market, and Mirror's Edge did a tremendous job of carving out its own unique little corner, and I think a lot of people really appreciate it for those reasons, giving them something a bit different from the norm to play.

[ElitePinecone]

Interesting interview with Mac, here's an excerpt:

Nrama: I know you obviously can’t get into details of the way the game franchise is branching off, but in more of a general sense, what has it been like starting fresh, and getting to re-evaluate and re-explore the Mass Effect franchise?

Walters: You know, it was, I think “challenging” is the biggest word. We’ve been saying for four or five years that the trilogy would be Shepard’s story and it would end with Shepard, there’d be a definitive end to it.

It’s kind of like in Mass Effect 2 when we said, we’ll let you kill off all these people and yeah, it’ll cause problems for us later, but let’s not worry about it! Then we got to Mass Effect 3 and said, “oh no, what have we done?”

This is kind of like that. Now we finished Mass Effect 3 and say “what have we done?” We said it was the end, what does that actually mean? How do we actually start again? Where do we start? Obviously, it’s a huge universe, there are so many different places you can tell stories. Even within the timeframe of when Shepard was alive, if you want to stay in that era there are tons of stories to tell. Then there are times before Shepard, there are times after Shepard, there are other places in the universe.

Nrama: And you’ve established that many of your characters are hundreds and even thousands of years old!

Walters: Yeah, exactly! I’ve always found that the proverbial writer’s block, you’re staring at the blank page and thinking “where do I start…” It’s funny, despite all of the things we’ve established, it’s such a huge universe to explore that there was a bit of that paralysis by analysis that we could go anywhere. There was a lot of that discussing, we had to set the parameters. “Okay, this is where we can tell an interesting story.” We started examining that, then people got excited about it, and that’s kind of where we are now. We have established where it’s going to be and when and now we’re just getting into the meat of the high-level overarching story for the game.

http://www.newsarama...-game-more.html

[rallyfan]

 I'm getting a vibe that the next ME will be a midquel <_<

[Soultaker08]

rallyfan wrote...

 I'm getting a vibe that the next ME will be a midquel <_<

thought so from the beginning and its not surprising

[N7 Shadow 90]

Lieber wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Sorry, people, sorry! Hype train overflowing on my part.

No problem, you've never guaranteed it was going to be ME. Also, I think it will be a "surprise" announcement like Mirror's Edge 2 and Battlefront on this year's E3.

If this year ended up seeing both the announcements of ME and Mirror's Edge, I'd be a happy bunny.

Mirror's Edge was already announced at E3 though.

Yes, I meant that if a Mass Effect reveal happened this year, it would add to Mirror's Edge's announcement.

Basically, I would be happy with this year, gaming-wise, if it saw the announcements of both a new Mirror's Edge and a new Mass Effect.

[N7 Shadow 90]

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious why Mirror's Edge has the popularity it does.

The story is lame. The setting isn't particularly interesting. The platforming is polished and works well, but just isn't fun enough to carry a franchise on it's own. 

I'm in love with the game, but it would take a good few paragraphs to fully explain why.
In short:
- Original
- Incredible music
- Fantastic setting
- Amazing main character
- Great platforming

[P. Domi]

 Thanks for the link, Elitepinecone! But my reaction after I read what he said about the Ashley Williams comic book 

It showed, Mr. Walters. It showed.

[ElitePinecone]

rallyfan wrote...

 I'm getting a vibe that the next ME will be a midquel <_<

They're being vague enough that I think anything is stil possible - it's hard to jump to any conclusions without more information.

(I read a summary of the fan feedback panels they were running at PAX where Bioware showed off some unseen concept art and talked a bit about their plans, and even though the person who attended seemed to think it indicated a sequel, to me it sounded like wishful thinking.)

[EatChildren]

ElitePinecone wrote...

(I read a summary of the fan feedback panels they were running at PAX where Bioware showed off some unseen concept art and talked a bit about their plans, and even though the person who attended seemed to think it indicated a sequel, to me it sounded like wishful thinking.)

Oh cool. Is this information available anywhere online?

[ElitePinecone]

Here's the link, the user has a few other posts in that thread besides the first one:
http://indoctrinatio...ecret-pax-panel

There's no way of confirming the information 100%, but it does sound like the direction that Bioware devs have mentioned in other contexts.

(And Mike Gamble *was* running a feedback session for a small group of fans at PAX.)

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 24 novembre 2013 - 05:14 .

[ElitePinecone]

Exploration is definitely something I remember a lot of the devs hinting at in other interviews, somebody (might've been Aaryn Flynn) said that with Frostbite they can do much larger environments. Plus there was that shot of the Mako in the N7 Day teasing from a dev in Montreal.

I think making larger worlds and having environmental storytelling is something Bioware are focusing on with their next-gen games, considering how popular that kind of exploration and discovery has made games like Skyrim and Assassin's Creed.

(and just imagine what they can do in a sci-fi setting!)

[Philosophaster]

ElitePinecone wrote...

There's no way of confirming the information 100%, but it does sound like the direction that Bioware devs have mentioned in other contexts.

(And Mike Gamble *was* running a feedback session for a small group of fans at PAX.)

https://twitter.com/...372987832516608

Mike Gamble:Thanks to all of the mass effect fans this weekend who listened to me talk for 2 hours You are truly awesome.

The first commenter for this tweet has the same name as the poster on the IT forums.

That being said, I am inclined to agree that there is some wishful thinking involved (I would imagine most IT proponents are in favor of a direct sequel). I don't doubt that he saw what he claims, however, I am not really convinced by his evidence for a sequel. Surprised that those posts have been up for so long without attracting attention sooner; don't they have people sign an NDA for this sort of thing?

Modifié par inconsiderate rick, 24 novembre 2013 - 07:35 .

[ElitePinecone]

inconsiderate rick wrote...
Surprised that those posts have been up for so long without attracting attention sooner; don't they have people sign an NDA for this sort of thing?

Yeah, I only read about it yesterday in another thread and went to go find out what the post said.

I suspect they would've agreed to be discreet about what they saw (or maybe signing an actual NDA, who knows?) so it's not too surprising that most of the people who attended are keeping pretty quiet. 

I wasn't there and this poster supposedly was, so I can't really say whether there were strong signs for a sequel in what they showed, but on the face of it I don't think new races and a 'Normandy-looking ship' are very powerful arguments in favour of anything. It sorta sounds like people who hope for a particular time period will keep hoping for it even if the evidence so far is quite ambiguous. 

[N7 Shadow 90]

ElitePinecone wrote...

inconsiderate rick wrote...
Surprised that those posts have been up for so long without attracting attention sooner; don't they have people sign an NDA for this sort of thing?

Yeah, I only read about it yesterday in another thread and went to go find out what the post said.

I suspect they would've agreed to be discreet about what they saw (or maybe signing an actual NDA, who knows?) so it's not too surprising that most of the people who attended are keeping pretty quiet. 

I wasn't there and this poster supposedly was, so I can't really say whether there were strong signs for a sequel in what they showed, but on the face of it I don't think new races and a 'Normandy-looking ship' are very powerful arguments in favour of anything. It sorta sounds like people who hope for a particular time period will keep hoping for it even if the evidence so far is quite ambiguous. 

To me, new races + existing ones does indicate a sequel.

[B.Shep]

IF those infos are true then that probably means a sequel.
But I will wait for some more oficial info before celebrating...better take what a IT folk says with a lot of salt.

Modifié par B.Shep, 24 novembre 2013 - 01:10 .

[Nitrocuban]

Maybe the endings of ME3 will have little impact on ME4's story just like Bioware did with the ME1 (Rachni Queen) and ME2 (Collector Base) - not that much impact on ME3 after all.

[Medievalist]

Well, the abovementioned account of the feedback session at PAX slowly seems to go viral: http://news.softpedi...rt-403068.shtml

[ElitePinecone]

Medievalist wrote...

Well, the abovementioned account of the feedback session at PAX slowly seems to go viral: http://news.softpedi...rt-403068.shtml

That article rather frustratingly leaves out the point that the person who attended the feedback session only thought it was a sequel. I wouldn't take anything as confirmation until someone from Bioware comes out and says it. 

(And now another media site will quote that one, unfounded rumours spread wider, and people will build up expectations which could well be false?)

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

To me, new races + existing ones does indicate a sequel.

Yeah, that would seem like the most likely interpretation (and as the panel person said, having the current races and humans there does definitively rule out an earlier Reaper cycle or the Rahni Wars or whatever, which I always thought were pretty ludicrous ideas for a game anyway)

Though, I am intrigued by the idea of a "guardian" race that ties into the mystery/exploration themes - if part of the game involves going to undiscovered locations, there's every chance nobody had heard of these species before even in a prequel setting. If they remained hidden or obscure, it's plausible that they're not a significant presence in the galaxy in Shepard's trilogy. 

And purely unfounded speculation, but if the game is another plot about uncovering ancient technology left behind by an earlier species I think my head will explode. After the way the Reapers turned out I've had enough of buried secrets and superweapons - we just spent three games fighting what turned out to be a footnote in a war between space cuttlefish and a deranged AI. The game works best when it's about politics, humanity's role in the universe and the relationships between the species - it doesn't need the crutch of ancient evil. 

[Chala]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Medievalist wrote...

Well, the abovementioned account of the feedback session at PAX slowly seems to go viral: http://news.softpedi...rt-403068.shtml

That article rather frustratingly leaves out the point that the person who attended the feedback session only thought it was a sequel. I wouldn't take anything as confirmation until someone from Bioware comes out and says it. 

(And now another media site will quote that one, unfounded rumours spread wider, and people will build up expectations which could well be false?)

That's pretty much how work a lot of gaming journalism sites...

Anyway, I didn't want to say this before, but since everyone is speaking about this, I'll say it.
I also believe it's a sequel:
Most of concept art shown were about big empty/abandoned places, this could imply exploration/expansion so it could be before ME1 (Humanity had a quick expansion since the Charon Relay discovery) or after ME3.

But the armor gave me something more concrete, it's looks a bit more advanced than usual. I have the concept art books of ME2 and 3, I've made some comparisons and it doesn't really fit with the armor shown in both games.
Also, it doesn't have the classic "Sci fi from the '80" look that most stuff from ME1 had. I've even took a look at the preview of the comics and I haven't found any relation.

Considering this, plus what that person said (If what he wrote is true, of course ). Then yes, for me, this game is going to be a sequel.

[ElitePinecone]

That account of the PAX panel is apparently on NeoGAF, and Russian websites.

[Medievalist]

ElitePinecone wrote...

That account of the PAX panel is apparently on NeoGAF, and Russian websites.

And let's not forget Reddit: 
http://www.reddit.co..._a_sequel_with/

Modifié par Medievalist, 24 novembre 2013 - 05:12 .

[ElitePinecone]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

But the armor gave me something more concrete, it's looks a bit more advanced than usual. I have the concept art books of ME2 and 3, I've made some comparisons and it doesn't really fit with the armor shown in both games.

Playing devil's advocate here but that could be partly a reflection of (real-life) technological advancement, especially if MENext is for next-gen (now current-gen?) consoles only. All the horsepower in new consoles would make it much easier to let the concept artists and modellers go crazy with details. If the physical features of humans and aliens are meant to be much more varied and photorealistic in the new game, it stands to reason that armour and costumes would be too. There are artistic considerations, also - the character outfits were redefined for all three games (the bulky and faintly jarring Cerberus gear from the third game would never have been included in the first one) and not much stayed consistent right through ME to ME3.

It's entirely possible that the armour changes are a reflection of the time period, but I'd be wary of making that kind of assumption when there are other potential explanations.