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#8776
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ElitePinecone wrote...

It's not called Mass Effect 4 because that would imply it's a continuation of Mass Effect 3. Here's Chris above:

To call the next game Mass Effect 4 or ME4 is doing it a disservice and seems to cause a lot of confusion here. We have already said that the Commander Shepard trilogy is over and that the next game will not feature him/her. That is the only detail you have on the game. I see people saying "well, they'll have to pick a canon ending". No, because the game does not have to come after. Or before. Or off to the side. Or with characters you know. Or yaddayaddayadda. Wherever, whenever, whoever, etc will all be revealed years down the road when we actually start talking about it.

I do not call the game ME4 when I talk about it ever, bucause that makes people think of it more as "what happens after Mass Effect 3" rather than "what game happens next set in the Mass Effect Universe", which is far more accurate at this point. Obviously fans are going to speculate content, character and story until we actually reveal details in the years or months to come as you have almost no actual details, just don't get bogged down in "well how are they going to continue ME3...".


If it's a sequel (as in, set after ME3's events) of any kind, though it has to either deal with Shepard's final choice ("The Shepard Incident") or trivialize that choice to the point of not mattering.  And given those chocies reshape the galaxy, not dealing with it would p*ss people off.

And if they did deal with the variations, that would p*ss people off too, given the generally unpopular sentiment towards the endings as a whole.  Not to mention how resource-intensive that would be (I mean, just the romances prove to eat too many resources at times, lok at what happened to 2/3 of the ME2 romances)

And then there's the problem with canonizing a particular ending or set of choices.  That's a whole can of worms in itself.

Which is why I say ditch Shepard's story entirely.  Start fresh.

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bayofangels wrote...

It's a new game set in the Mass Effect universe. That's exciting! And it needs as little baggage as possible.




Just to respond to that specifically... I know the series is in a weird place, and I'd vastly prefer that this wasn't the way the trilogy ended. Whether deliberately or not, Bioware backed themselves into a tiny corner in terms of how to continue the games, and pretty much any way they take it now, someone's going to be disappointed or outwardly angry. I understand that many, many people want to ignore or retcon what happened in ME3, or else "reset" the galaxy so that they can tell stories that don't have to deal with the effects of space magic.

But I'm concerned that in rushing to get rid of baggage or clear a slate for a new series, you end up diminishing and devaluing the first one. The choices offered to Shepard might be extraordinarily unpopular with some die-hard fans, but Bioware have defended them as the final and enduring conclusion to that trilogy. Whatever their thoughts in the wake of the ending fracas, it was said before launch that ME3 would be the chronological end to the series. If that changes - and *especially*if the universe just resets to something like normal - Shepard's accomplishments become temporary, and, ultimately, less consequential. 

The effect isn't as massive, so to speak.

(And fundamentally, I don't think the appropriate response to the ending debacle is to merge, ignore or weaken the consequences of something that players chose.)

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Perhaps the solution would be to go the Deus Ex:IW route.

Say, when the Crucible fired it defeated the Reapers but left what was left of galactic civilization in tatters. Maybe some combination of all three endings occurred, if we wanted to get that close to IW, but the point is that the galaxy would have been plunged into a dark age attempting to recover. MENext would start during or after the following Renaissance, with galactic civilization more or less restored 1-2 thousand years later.  It could be used to explain Shepard becoming something of a legendary figure, with conflicting stories about what precisely happened in that time.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 11 février 2014 - 06:52 .


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Lord Aesir wrote...

Perhaps the solution would be to go the Deus Ex:IW route.

Say, when the Crucible fired it defeated the Reapers but left what was left of galactic civilization in tatters. Maybe some combination of all three endings occurred, if we wanted to get that close to IW, but the point is that the galaxy would have been plunged into a dark age attempting to recover. MENext would start during or after the following Renaissance, with galactic civilization more or less restored 1-2 thousand years later.  It could be used to explain Shepard becoming something of a legendary figure, with conflicting stories about what precisely happened in that time.


I'm somewhat confident in the bolded, more or less.

However, I think our ending choice (and maybe more) will be reflected. Anything beyond the Crucible wouldn't relate to the main story (just side things), but I think the Crucible matters in the story tone at the minimum.

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dunno.

Say everything the crucible did (regardless of the colour) removed the reaper threat. The relays are gone. The Citadel still exists (which would be a really bad thing) Space travel would be problematic over vast distances. Exploration would then be the main aim.... which might be the point of the next ME game.

#8782
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Rachel73 wrote...

Jay Watamaniuk ‏@JayWatamaniuk
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Is there a big writers meeting in Edmonton?

Maybe some of the ME-writer that went to work on DA:I will return to the Mass Effect franchise.
Patrick Weekes, please come back.

Modifié par InterrogationBear, 11 février 2014 - 08:15 .


#8783
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Shermos wrote...

Come on Bioware. Give us a tease. Just a little one. This debate about when NME should be set is going around in circles.


*Tease*

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Jos I want my Reaper ship already. Maker...

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Jos Hendriks wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Come on Bioware. Give us a tease. Just a little one. This debate about when NME should be set is going around in circles.


*Tease*


<3 :wizard:  <3

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Close your eyes he's doing a strip *tease*!

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That's the tease we deserve but not the one we need or asked for.

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@GambleMike new Mass Effect is a reboot #MEreveal

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SwobyJ

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Don't do that Zombeh.

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Heimdall

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SwobyJ wrote...

I'm somewhat confident in the bolded, more or less.

However, I think our ending choice (and maybe more) will be reflected. Anything beyond the Crucible wouldn't relate to the main story (just side things), but I think the Crucible matters in the story tone at the minimum.

If that choice was reflected, it would have to be done in such a way as to temper the divergent endings (Geth vs No Geth, Glowing Green People...).  Some sort of convergent ending like I mentioned fixes that to a degree, though I imagine they could work in some reflection of Shepard's intention... I'm just not sure what.

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bayofangels wrote...

I think what Valadras meant was that it would be set so far in the future none of the specific choices you had would reflect too much on the story. As EatChildren says, everything BioWare has indicated so far suggests ME4 will be a fresh start. I really hope so.

Now, everything in ME1-3 still matters, of course. Without Shepard, ME4 wouldn't be able to feature familiar races, planets, or even humans. Your progress as Shepard ensured the ME galaxy would continue. It's just that your arc as Shepard to ensure the galaxy's survival (and your choice of how it survived) won't be the basis of events in ME4. 


Exactly. And I wasn't even presenting my suggestions as literal "This is what they must do!" scenarios. Obviously a bioware writer could come up with stuff much more creative and less plothole-ridden, I was just giving some quick examples to show that it could be done. Furthermore it was like 4 in the morning and I haven't played ME3's story in over a year, so go easy on me :P

I just don't see why it's so important to let ME3's decisions influence the setting so much that they can't realistically create a game set in the future. The collector base decision, which is arguably one of the most personally-defining choices in the series, didn't even matter in ME3, and there were 6 months between those two game's stories. Why should anything in ME3 matter a thousand years after it takes place?

And finally, I'd hate to see a Mass Effect game where they decide to make playable alien races in the story and decide during development "Oh wait, we can't make Quarians/Geth/Krogan/whatever playable because they could be dead in some player's ME3 games." I'd rather have the cheap lore explanations for them all being present, alive, and well in the future.

And a future setting/clean slate is important to me, because it'd be all the things that make mass effect awesome, the great aliens, the sense of exploration, and the idea that you'd be making decisions the best you can without knowing what the future holds. All that without the influence of Reapers or the catalyst. I find that idea very appealing.

#8792
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At this point I don't even care if it's a prequel/midquel/sequel/alternate universe/reboot/other galaxy I just want to play NME soon.

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Zealot fanboys who can't handle criticism of their favorite franchise/console/etc - ya'll mother****ers are the worst and need perspective.

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The sad part is, the zealotry of fanboys is created in large part by devs, marketing, publishers, etc. We ask for commitment and devotion.

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Can't ask for a group of people to devote their time/energy/love to something and not expect some of them to become unreasonable defenders

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This goes beyond video games. It goes to sports, film, music, patriotism, etc. We're conditioned to justify and defend everything we like.

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What is Manveer referring to exactly? lol

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RussianZombeh wrote...

@GambleMike new Mass Effect is a reboot #MEreveal


For a moment I started a mad scramble to twitter to see if this was actually real. Curse me and my undying love of Mass Effect:pinched:

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StreetMagic wrote...

What is Manveer referring to exactly? lol


Over the years I've seen quite a few posts on BSN that would fit that profile so... *shrug*

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chris2365 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

@GambleMike new Mass Effect is a reboot #MEreveal


For a moment I started a mad scramble to twitter to see if this was actually real. Curse me and my undying love of Mass Effect:pinched:


Yeah I did too. 


felipejiraya wrote...

At this point I don't even care if it's a prequel/midquel/sequel/alternate universe/reboot/other galaxy I just want to play NME soon.

@JayWatamaniuk
Big, huge things being discussed about #Space!


Big-ness and huge-ness of space now a semi-confirmed rumor. 

#8797
bayofangels

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StreetMagic wrote...

What is Manveer referring to exactly? lol


You.

Haha jk

Modifié par bayofangels, 12 février 2014 - 08:20 .


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Jos Hendriks wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Come on Bioware. Give us a tease. Just a little one. This debate about when NME should be set is going around in circles.


*Tease*


lol. I guess I did ask for a little one....

#8799
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I am dying for substantial news from BioWare. Like Nirvana said, "Take your time...hurry up".

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Jay Watamaniuk@JayWatamaniuk: Spirited discussions today in writer meetings. #Space!