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[RenegadeSpectre]

@Sjosz

Am at #boringcon, currently in a day-long panel on level streaming structure and setup test cases for the next Mass Effect.

[ElitePinecone]

Thanks! I'd pretty much gathered all this info already, but wanted to see if there was something that the sources I'd read had missed something, minor stuff and whatnot. Still, it's good to know that I'm already up to speed for when the real info starts pouring out. I hadn't heard the "from WWI to WWII" comparison, though, but I suppose it makes sense, affecting the game without doing it too directly.

 

A couple of things that aren't confirmed, and could be random people on the internet writing fan-fiction as news stories:

 

- Someone claimed to have attended a fan feedback session at PAX last year (which did actually happen) where Mike Gamble asked them questions about what they wanted going forward, and showed off concept art for the next game.

 

- A website said they had secret sources with information about the next game. It fits with other things we've been hearing, that exploration is a major focus.

 

Much more accurate information:

Bioware showed off some ME: Next Thing screenshots in November for N7 day:

 

 

One of Ian Frazier's tweets had a pictue of the Mako with a caption about looking at the past to draw inspiration for the future.

[Iron Star]

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Yeah, the "secretly revealed info" from the pax and the website is stuff that I've already heard of, but i hadn't seen some of those screenshots before. Thanks!

 

And even though the guy who claimed to have seen stuff from pax sounds legit, I won't actually believe it until we get some actual reveals from Bioware. I just hope they don't scrap good plotlines because some stuff got leaked, considering how it affected their last game... (I really, really hope we'll have playable races, though! Female turians rock!)

 

That concept he's working on almost looks like turian heavy armor that's been redesigned for humans (or asari, batarians or drell). Armors were always awesome in mass effect, a pity we couldn't get our hand on those sexy CAT6 armors in the citadel DLC. Especially the CAT6 sniper armor was just stunning.

[ElitePinecone]

Do people think ME3's storyline changed after the leak in November 2011? Just curious.

 

Because pretty much everything from the final game is in that script. The endings are still the endings (control, destroy or merge, as it calls them). I'm not sure if that's a misconception that came up somewhere because Drew Karpyshyn said they'd scrapped the dark energy ending years earlier, or whatever?

 

The only thing that changed from the earlier script versions to release was that the Catalyst used to be the name for the Prothean, and Space Kid was called GUARDIAN. Also a couple of fights with Kei Leng were moved around and some character deaths changed. But that's it.

[SwobyJ]

My playable species (in no order):

-humans, male and female

-asari, 'female'

-turians, male and female

-salarians, male (females too few)

-krogan, male and female (I'd even go female with a character before male)

-quarians, male and female

-geth, in whatever form (keep it as is, or make them attempt to create their own 'genders', depending on what the story does)

-drell, male and female (! it is time!)

 

That's pretty much it. I'm not really interested in batarians as a major species, but I would still LOVE to have one as a squadmate.

And yeah, any other species wouldn't be interesting enough for me to play as one - only based on what we've experienced so far, of course.

[SwobyJ]

Do people think ME3's storyline changed after the leak in November 2011? Just curious.

 

Because pretty much everything from the final game is in that script. The endings are still the endings (control, destroy or merge, as it calls them). I'm not sure if that's a misconception that came up somewhere because Drew Karpyshyn said they'd scrapped the dark energy ending years earlier, or whatever?

 

The only thing that changed from the earlier script versions to release was that the Catalyst used to be the name for the Prothean, and Space Kid was called GUARDIAN. Also a couple of fights with Kei Leng were moved around and some character deaths changed. But that's it.

 

They changed a bunch of things.

 

But personally, most of the changes were for the better, imo.

 

But I'm really one who thinks that if they're gonna go mind-twisty, go FULL mind-twisty. The 'Guardian's Garden' in the script was going to have a bunch of trees in it, which I find interesting, if that was going to be the same-ish location as the Crucible chamber.

[ElitePinecone]

They changed a bunch of things.

 

 

Do you remember what, specifically? Because the newest version of the script as far as I read it was virtually indistinguishable from the game.

 

(And I see absolutely no evidence that anything changed as a *result* of the leak - certainly nothing as big as the ending.)

[Lady Sif]

Jos Hendriks@Sjosz: Looking into examples of [redacted] in other games to get some ideas for [redacted] in new Mass Effect. Maybe [redacted] will be important.

Barrett Rodych@ForgedPixels: @Sjosz Yeah well, your [redacted] is [redacted]!

Jos Hendriks@Sjosz: @ForgedPixels :|

[SwobyJ]

Do you remember what, specifically? Because the newest version of the script as far as I read it was virtually indistinguishable from the game.

 

(And I see absolutely no evidence that anything changed as a *result* of the leak - certainly nothing as big as the ending.)

 

No? Because it's been at least several months since I've read it last.

 

What I do remember is that they upped the vague in several ways.

 

They did not change the plot.

 

I never said they changed anything because of the leak. Only saying that stuff did change in the meantime from that script.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Do you remember what, specifically? Because the newest version of the script as far as I read it was virtually indistinguishable from the game.

 

(And I see absolutely no evidence that anything changed as a *result* of the leak - certainly nothing as big as the ending.)

 

Originally the confrontation with A/K during the standoff on the citadel during the cerberus attack happened on Thessia...... in which case at the end of the Kai Leng fight you were supposed to be severely injured by a piece of rebar and could only save A/K or Liara, thus one would die and Shepard almost dies in the process.

 

Also Javik WAS an integral part of the original story.... evidenced by the fact that he was essential in this scene on Thessia.  He originally interacted with the beacon and became paralyzed during it as opposed to the beacon revealing a prothean VI, and at the same time you get confronted by Kai Leng who has egged on A/K against you.  There's a lot more to this whole story arc actually. 

[SwobyJ]

The same plot would have occurred. How it would have played out would have been significantly different. Yeah, one of the biggest parts being that Javik was the Catalyst, and the Catalyst was the Guardian.

[ElitePinecone]

Yeah, I knew about the Catalyst mission changing as a result of Javik being cut. 

 

But that aside, I often come across forum posts or comments by people who think the huge parts of the game were rewritten directly as a result of the leak - when nothing of the sort happened. It's been floating around unsubstantiated for ages, and people keep believing it.

 

It often gets confused with the dark energy plot, so the argument goes something like "after the leak Bioware were forced to change the ending in a hurry and that's why it's so terrible - this wasn't what they originally planned but the leak made them write a new one" - which really, completely misunderstands the situation. 

[SwobyJ]

Yeah, I knew about the Catalyst mission changing as a result of Javik being cut. 

 

But that aside, I often come across forum posts or comments by people who think the huge parts of the game were rewritten directly as a result of the leak - when nothing of the sort happened. It's been floating around unsubstantiated for ages, and people keep believing it.

 

It often gets confused with the dark energy plot, so the argument goes something like "after the leak Bioware were forced to change the ending in a hurry and that's why it's so terrible - this wasn't what they originally planned but the leak made them write a new one" - which really, completely misunderstands the situation. 

 

Gotta agree entirely with that.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Gotta agree entirely with that.

I second that.  Sorry Elite, just realized you said aside from characters dying and such lol.

[PCThug]

Originally the confrontation with A/K during the standoff on the citadel during the cerberus attack happened on Thessia...... in which case at the end of the Kai Leng fight you were supposed to be severely injured by a piece of rebar and could only save A/K or Liara, thus one would die and Shepard almost dies in the process.

 

Dang, I kind of wish they'd kept that in. It would have been a real punch to the gut.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Dang, I kind of wish they'd kept that in. It would have been a real punch to the gut.

 

I agree!  I really didn't feel "defeated" in the Thessia outcome in the final version of the game... but having to make that choice and seeing the damage done to Shepard, that would have been shell-shocking. 

[Lady Sif]

Joel MacMillan ‏@MrJoelMac 

Just arrived in Boston.Excited for PAX this weekend!Come see us @ the BioWare Base for some Mass Effect & DA fun! #BioWare #PAX #MassEffect

 

David Hulegaard ‏@HulegaardBooks 

Sneak peek. #PAXEast2014 pic.twitter.com/u2InxHolDX

[B.Shep]

Hmm, that is nice

[Hrungr]

Michael Gamble ‏@GambleMike 

One of the most rewarding things about the creative process on a team is the healthy competition of ideas. The best experiences are...

 

Michael Gamble ‏@GambleMike 

... paved over the rotting corpses of mediocre ones. #masseffect

[Iron Star]

I've always heard that after the leaked dark energy endings for ME3, Casey and the ME3 lead writer (was it Weekes? Don't remember) sat down and hatched the endings as we see them in the game. Guess that info was wrong, in which case I apologize.

 

But weren't the originally intended dark energy endings supposed to be about Shepard having to choose between sacrificing humanity so that they could work out a solution to the dark energy problem, or leave it as it is and hope that the galaxy (universe) manages to find a way to fix it on their own? As far as I remember it was pretty different from the ending we got (although the problem about having the same choices regardless of previous actions was still there).

[SwobyJ]

leaked dark energy endings

 

There was no such thing.

 

 

But weren't the originally intended dark energy endings supposed to be about Shepard having to choose between sacrificing humanity so that they could work out a solution to the dark energy problem, or leave it as it is and hope that the galaxy (universe) manages to find a way to fix it on their own?

 

Only described as one of several concepts.

 

Writers can have a trilogy concept and the main idea (something like "Protagonist joins or rejects the enemy", which was also a big part of KOTOR itself), while seeding a game with threads that may or may not lead anywhere.

 

It may be more likely that the dark energy thing was in the lead years ago. Maybe. We don't know. In any case, it became more iffy in ME2 (some hints exist about it still, which haven't been followed up on), and then a different route in ME3.

 

They have a lot of ideas. I believe it was once said that an earlier concept for ME1 was that Shepard was to be revealed to be an alien (whatever that would mean). We don't know how prominent the 'dark energy thing' actually was in Bioware's development process. Could be a lot. Could be very little.

[ElitePinecone]

EA's E3 press conference will be on June 9 at 1pm US Pacific Time. Last year it was one hour long.

 

(Here's a timezone conversion of that date and time.)

 

Mass Effect hints are semi-confirmed. 

 

(And by that I mean I really hope so.)

[Lady Sif]

David Hulegaard@HulegaardBooks: Stepped off the hotel elevator and already saw the first N7 hoodie. It's going to be a fun #PAXEast2014

[Jos Hendriks]

MrDBow, you're pretty clever with your thread title changes.

[shepskisaac]

ME Cast Cosplay is today as well? Are they gonna take pics with BW staff?