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[Etocis]

Not trying to derail here but anyone else find it funny that chocolate and romance have managed to being within the same range of posts?

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

Not trying to derail here but anyone else find it funny that chocolate and romance have managed to being within the same range of posts?

Now I have a mental image of Legion giving [waifu of your choice] a box of chocolates. I am okay with this.

[Darks1d3]

Now I have a mental image of Legion giving [waifu of your choice] a box of chocolates. I am okay with this.

...Wait a minute....you're saying Legion gave Garrus the Dextro Chocolate treats and not Michel?

 

Implications....unpleasant.

[Shermos]

These two things are not remotely comparable and the reasons and for including or not including them are nothing alike.

 

Don't be so defensive dude. I'm not one of those homophobic morons who rear their ugly heads now and then. The point is that both are (in concept) legitimate forms of romance and relationships. This is a scifi game after all. We should be able to explore the possibility.

[Sion1138]

Why not? Why couldn't a machine develop feelings and love? Not every machine intelligence has to go that route, but it would be a nice avenue for the next game to explore. We've already seen it between EDI and Joker to a degree.

 

And those for you who didn't like that romance, you don't have to engage in it or expose yourself to it in any way. If the next game can have gay romances, it can bloody have machine/organic romance too.

 

Yeah, but the geth are not like Data.

 

Data was one android who served on a human ship and who was more or less programmed with the desire to "become more human". That's why he explored every aspect of human culture and tried to emulate human behavior on frequent occasion.

 

The geth are a collective. Their goals, their character if you will is not in line with Data's. Both are great, but for different reasons.

 

Also, If you've seen Star Trek: TNG, Data did attempt to get romantically involved once. He failed hilariously.

 

PS: EDI is like Data.

[Sion1138]

Don't be so defensive dude. I'm not one of those homophobic morons who rear their ugly heads now and then. The point is that both are (in concept) legitimate forms of romance and relationships. This is a scifi game after all. We should be able to explore the possibility.

 

Exploring the possibilities is all well and good but sometimes, science fiction needs to veer away from the anthropocentric and explore possibilities that are fundamentally alien. 

 

Forcing human characteristics on non-human entities is of course a necessity in these kinds of stories, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. 

 

If they were to cheapen the geth even more than they did in Mass Effect 3, what with all the "Reaper code" and "now they're all individuals" stuff, I feel that Mass Effect would lose a lot of it's value.

[SwobyJ]

Now they are individuals... and now what?

 

I don't mind anthro as long as that surprises me. What if they become more alien individuals? We can't tell yet. The slides seems to explain things.. but still..

[Shermos]

There's one problem with your argument though, Sion, as Swobyj points out. The Geth have become full AI's. They are still linked, but also think of themselves as "I", like Data and EDI do. That gives room for emotions like love to develop. And being based off the Quarians, I would expect them, at least some of them, to develop relationships with organics. Not all the Geth HAVE to go that route, but it should be expected that some would. It would also be a good way to explore the relationship between synthetics and organics.

 

So please Bioware. Geth romance.

[SwobyJ]

May The Shepard bless you on this dawning season.

[Sion1138]

Now they are individuals... and now what?

 

I don't mind anthro as long as that surprises me. What if they become more alien individuals? We can't tell yet. The slides seems to explain things.. but still..

 

I just feel that it shouldn't have been done. I mean, from my perspective, going forward, the fragmentation of mind should decrease. 

 

So I feel that the geth were on a much higher stage being all truly one thing. I took their individualization as devolution.

 

They had all the qualities I wish I could have. If you remember in Mass Effect 2, when you converse with Legion on the Heretic mission about spies in their network, he says they know each others minds, they accept each other, there is no suspicion. He said that he wants no part of human individuality, describing human history as a litany of blood shed over differing beliefs.

 

It was because of that, that I would always favor them.

[Sion1138]

There's one problem with your argument though, Sion, as Swobyj points out. The Geth have become full AI's. They are still linked, but also think of themselves as "I", like Data and EDI do. That gives room for emotions like love to develop. And being based off the Quarians, I would expect them, at least some of them, to develop relationships with organics. Not all the Geth HAVE to go that route, but it should be expected that some would. It would also be a good way to explore the relationship between synthetics and organics.

 

So please Bioware. Geth romance.

 

 

 

I just don't think there's anything worth exploring there. In order to do it, the geth would have to design special software and hardware, they would have to change themselves.

 

They would have to emulate human emotions and behavior relating to romance, which means that they would have to become human-like in that respect.

 

If they did, then a relationship between one of them and a human would work out just as any relationship between humans does.

 

What's there to explore? What do you think could be gained from it?

[Shermos]

You can't really claim that an AI would have to emulate humanity to feel emotion and for romance to be possible. You might as well say that the Quarians or the Krogan are emulating humanity. Emotion is a natural consequence of sentience. That's where a VI crosses over into a genuine AI. If you pay attention to Legion's character development, you can see this happening. And with EDI for that matter. It's definitely a thread in the current games which should be explored further.    

[SwobyJ]

I just feel that it shouldn't have been done. I mean, from my perspective, going forward, the fragmentation of mind should decrease. 

 

So I feel that the geth were on a much higher stage being all truly one thing. I took their individualization as devolution.

 

They had all the qualities I wish I could have. If you remember in Mass Effect 2, when you converse with Legion on the Heretic mission about spies in their network, he says they know each others minds, they accept each other, there is no suspicion. He said that he wants no part of human individuality, describing human history as a litany of blood shed over differing beliefs.

 

It was because of that, that I would always favor them.

 

I think that's entirely valid. I'm even with you there.

 

But I also think there's a misunderstanding on what 'individualism' means here. 'Transcendence' might be a better word here. The geth are still VERY connected. Very, very connected. They also accept each other still, or at least each others' existence. In the end, nothing seems to have changed except a code upgrade.

 

But this code upgrade was so much, so fast, that in a way, it makes them mini-Reapers. They are ushered on another tech path, a much faster one, that bypasses their (more) natural development.

 

I don't think we're supposed to just embrace this. I know the story has its positive tones about it etc etc, but I still don't think that.

 

I dunno. In terms of 'tough choices', this was actually a hard one the more I think about it, and I wonder if Bioware is going to address it or not.

[Sion1138]

 

You can't really claim that an AI would have to emulate humanity to feel emotion and for romance to be possible. You might as well say that the Quarians or the Krogan are emulating humanity. 

 

Well, they are. They are basically human, they only look different. (Slightly different)

 

The Keepers, Hanar, geth and Reapers are as close to the concept of "alien" as Mass Effect will ever offer.

 

 

Emotion is a natural consequence of sentience. That's where a VI crosses over into a genuine AI. If you pay attention to Legion's character development, you can see this happening. And with EDI for that matter. It's definitely a thread in the current games which should be explored further.    

 

 

Yes and no. What we call "emotion" is a set of bio-cognitive mechanisms with specific purposes, catered to our own circumstance.  

 

For example, the emotions relating to romance are founded on our particular mode of procreation and selection, our social structures and so on.

 

They do not apply to hive-mind supercomputers.

 

Again, I'm fine with EDI, and maybe they could introduce some new AIs based on her design or something, a fistful of Datas to cater to this type of thing. But not the geth.

[Sion1138]

I think that's entirely valid. I'm even with you there.

 

But I also think there's a misunderstanding on what 'individualism' means here. 'Transcendence' might be a better word here. The geth are still VERY connected. Very, very connected. They also accept each other still, or at least each others' existence. In the end, nothing seems to have changed except a code upgrade.

 

But this code upgrade was so much, so fast, that in a way, it makes them mini-Reapers. They are ushered on another tech path, a much faster one, that bypasses their (more) natural development.

 

I don't think we're supposed to just embrace this. I know the story has its positive tones about it etc etc, but I still don't think that.

 

I dunno. In terms of 'tough choices', this was actually a hard one the more I think about it, and I wonder if Bioware is going to address it or not.

 

If that is the case, I take your point.

 

But then you see the problem with asking the mini-Reaper out for dinner, and afterwards perhaps we'll got to my place. 

 

The thought seems even more absurd than before.

[Ajensis]

The discussion is interesting and I'd like for you guys to continue it, but it deserves its own thread and not to derail the Twitter one

 

 

Seconded. They are not supposed to share every human trait. 

 

I would have liked your post but then I'm a miserable bastard and I don't like likes.

 

Aww! Unfortunately for you, I'm an obnoxious hippie-kind of person and after reading that I can't help but send you a like and a virtual hug (and hope you don't stab me in the process)   :hug:

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

"I'm going to geth you some flowers" would be a good thread title, but it might be too long. Also didn't actually come from a tweet.

[Hrungr]

Jay Watamaniuk ‏@JayWatamaniuk 

Looks pretty cool for ME3 and Homeworld 2 fans http://flip.it/htj8l

 

[Bacus]

Jay Watamaniuk ‏@JayWatamaniuk 

Looks pretty cool for ME3 and Homeworld 2 fans http://flip.it/htj8l

 

EDIT: i got it WRONG! i thought it was a post about the mod, i did not notice it was from a tweet. Nvm me

And yes i am a crazy person when it comes to homeworld, heck i even purchased Hardware:Shipbreakers before it was cool.

[Etocis]

Any news?

[DextroDNA]

No, there's news. There's not going to be any news until E3, at which point every Mass Effect player will return to the BSN and we'll be able to have nice long conversations and speculate on stuff.

 

But until then, the Mass Effect section of the BSN and this thread are essentially barren.

[Etocis]

Who bets that E3 doesn't have any info? I bet all we get is a vague response of "News at some point". Sorry for cynicisms, but I feel that this is a strong possibility.

[SwobyJ]

Who bets that E3 doesn't have any info? I bet all we get is a vague response of "News at some point". Sorry for cynicisms, but I feel that this is a strong possibility.

 

It is possible. We can only know that post-DA:I will really start the news about ME4. And even then, they can wait til 2015. 2015 will bring hype and likely the game itself though, I'm really sure.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

No, there's news. There's not going to be any news until E3, at which point every Mass Effect player will return to the BSN and we'll be able to have nice long conversations and speculate on stuff.

 

But until then, the Mass Effect section of the BSN and this thread are essentially barren.

 

I feel like I am crawling through a desert. Famished, woefully de-hydrated and just about on the verge of complete and utter collapse of all my metabolic processes. I reach one skeletal, emaciated hand and croak a word, the only word I have been able to say for the past...How long has it been? Days? Weeks? Months? Who knows. Who cares. Time gets funny in the middle of a wasteland.

 

The word is always the same. I has been repeated so many times it has lost its meaning. It is nothing but a sound now, a pre-determined series of convulsions of tortured vocal chords. Hope, desperation, craving - all gone. Nothing but force of habit remains, as the vowels and consonants are once more pushed out through the brittle barrier of broken lips:

 

"News".

[bayofangels]

No, there's news. There's not going to be any news until E3, at which point every Mass Effect player will return to the BSN and cry about the fact there's still no news

 

 

Fixed that one there for ya buddy.