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[ntrisley]

Uhhh, because they've spent 7 years building up this Universe and the things in it. New doesn't mean getting rid of the old.

Who's to say the Citadel survives though?

 

I mean, the Citadel is essentially a superweapon/doorway to Dark Space and nobody has the keys to shut it. Who would want to keep that thing around?

There are other places for the Council to set up a hub...and I'm sure that say in the years post ME3, someone got the brilliant idea of "We can make our own, better Citadel! And it won't have that pesky doorway!".

 

 

Plus it would be a great teambuilding exercise.

[Madcat 124]

Who's to say the Citadel survives though?

 

I mean, the Citadel is essentially a superweapon/doorway to Dark Space and nobody has the keys to shut it. Who would want to keep that thing around?

There are other places for the Council to set up a hub...and I'm sure that say in the years post ME3, someone got the brilliant idea of "We can make our own, better Citadel! And it won't have that pesky doorway!".

 

 

Plus it would be a great teambuilding exercise.

Isn't it kind of implied in the extended cut that the Citadel is rebuilt? 

[Shermos]

I'm happy with what we got in that trailer in terms of in game footage. It's about what I expected. I would have liked though if the devs had pinned down a name and setting/timeline. At least a time line. By saying so little, the devs have invited a lot of ridiculous speculation.

 

Having finally caught up with this thread, I'm basically in 100% agreement with TheEliteBrit. ME:N is not going to be a reboot or alternate universe.  As for the Ark theory, I think some of you guys are reading WAY too much into what Aaryn Flynn said. His his comments are pretty obviously intended to be pointers towards a post ME3 setting where what came before will be acknowledged, but it will still be a new story. He deliberately didn't say too much else, because you know, NDA. The "clever plan" simply refers to how the ME3 endings will be dealt with. How you can take that and turn it into an Ark trilogy is a huge mental leap with absolutely no proof visible in the trailer. 

 

ME:N is going to occur after ME3, within the Milky Way. There's so much of the galaxy we haven't seen yet in the ME universe. The Terminus systems alone offer us a huge chunk of new worlds and races to explore without needing to totally leave behind the parts of the galaxy we've already visited. I'm confident enough to bet real money on this. I have a PayPal account if anyone wants to take me up on it. 

 

[DextroDNA]

 

I'm happy with what we got in that trailer in terms of in game footage. It's about what I expected. I would have liked though if the devs had pinned down a name and setting/timeline. At least a time line. By saying so little, the devs have invited a lot of ridiculous speculation.

 

Having finally caught up with this thread, I'm basically in 100% agreement with TheEliteBrit. ME:N is not going to be a reboot or alternate universe.  As for the Ark theory, I think some of you guys are reading WAY too much into what Aaryn Flynn said. His his comments are pretty obviously intended to be pointers towards a post ME3 setting where what came before will be acknowledged, but it will still be a new story. He deliberately didn't say too much else, because you know, NDA. The "clever plan" simply refers to how the ME3 endings will be dealt with. How you can take that and turn it into an Ark trilogy is a huge mental leap with absolutely no proof visible in the trailer. 

 

ME:N is going to occur after ME3, within the Milky Way. There's so much of the galaxy we haven't seen yet in the ME universe. The Terminus systems alone offer us a huge chunk of new worlds and races to explore without needing to totally leave behind the parts of the galaxy we've already visited. I'm confident enough to bet real money on this. I have a PayPal account if anyone wants to take me up on it. 

 

 

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[Heimdall]

I never said the Citadel made the Universe, I just mean it's part of it and I don't think they're likely to get rid of everything this early. We don't even know if ME4 is set in another Galaxy, we don't know if they're going to change the location completely. We don't know anything.
 
By moving forward they don't mean leave everything behind, they mean introducing new things and the plot not having anything to do with the Reapers, Shepard etc.

And the Citadel isn't everything. Leaving it behind isn't leaving everything behind, but it is a crucial element of the Reaper plot, which we know is being left behind. Again, what's the big deal about ditching the Citadel?

We don't know anything, but everything they've said points to new locations and immense distance in some form or another. Holding onto parts of the trilogy can be easily done within a new galaxy without the Citadel.

[DextroDNA]

And the Citadel isn't everything. Leaving it behind isn't leaving everything behind, but it is a crucial element of the Reaper plot, which we know is being left behind. Again, what's the big deal about ditching the Citadel?

We don't know anything, but everything they've said points to new locations and immense distance in some form or another. Holding onto parts of the trilogy can be easily done within a new galaxy without the Citadel.

It's what it represents. Why are you so sure that they're going to abandon their centre of government? Why would they do that? Why wouldn't we be able to visit what has essentially been the hub of the trilogy?

 

Of course there's going to be new locations and "immense distance", but the Galaxy is HUGE - they can introduce thousands of new planets and loads of new races that exist within the Milky Way. It's not going to be set in a new Galaxy. It's not plausible, deal with it. The Reapers couldn't get to other Galaxies, neither can we. Even at FTL it would be hundreds or thousands of years before they got there and that means the new Galaxy would be populated entirely by Asari or Krogan.

[Heimdall]

I'm happy with what we got in that trailer in terms of in game footage. It's about what I expected. I would have liked though if the devs had pinned down a name and setting/timeline. At least a time line. By saying so little, the devs have invited a lot of ridiculous speculation.
 
Having finally caught up with this thread, I'm basically in 100% agreement with TheEliteBrit. ME:N is not going to be a reboot or alternate universe.  As for the Ark theory, I think some of you guys are reading WAY too much into what Aaryn Flynn said. His his comments are pretty obviously intended to be pointers towards a post ME3 setting where what came before will be acknowledged, but it will still be a new story. He deliberately didn't say too much else, because you know, NDA. The "clever plan" simply refers to how the ME3 endings will be dealt with. How you can take that and turn it into an Ark trilogy is a huge mental leap with absolutely no proof visible in the trailer. 
 
ME:N is going to occur after ME3, within the Milky Way. There's so much of the galaxy we haven't seen yet in the ME universe. The Terminus systems alone offer us a huge chunk of new worlds and races to explore without needing to totally leave behind the parts of the galaxy we've already visited. I'm confident enough to bet real money on this. I have a PayPal account if anyone wants to take me up on it. 

New parts of our own galaxy don't really jive with those heavy hints about immense distance we've been getting, unless the leap is mostly through time. The ark theory is a bit of a leap, but it makes sense. It makes sense that some would try an alternative plan to escape the Reapers. It makes sense in the context of this hint about "the fans will be surprised" distance and new discovery. And it tidily sidesteps the ending issue entirely. The pieces fit.

[shepskisaac]

 

The "clever plan" simply refers to how the ME3 endings will be dealt with.

How then? While keeping it in the same galaxy and dimension/timeline? Of course there's little-to-none proof to ark theory, but hoenstly, how many different options there are to deal with the endings without straight out ignoring them or retconning?

[Barrett Rodych]

I'm confident enough to bet real money on this. I have a PayPal account if anyone wants to take me up on it.  

 

I volunteer to be bookie.

[ntrisley]

Isn't it kind of implied in the extended cut that the Citadel is rebuilt? 

Sure, but who's to say--again--that this next game takes place within living memory of the events of ME3?

 

Aaryn Flynn was really cagey but something to take note of from his little interview is that he pretty much shot down the idea of "returning characters" and instead specifically stated "returning races"...

[SwobyJ]

I'm glad there's just the tiniest bit out there now. Even if it's not a lot to go on, and I can't reveal stuff myself, it's nice to see we're sharing a little bit at least. I personally love to see that happening, so today is pretty good for that.

 

I'm glad Bioware sent out what it could for now.

[Etocis]

O.K. now that I've calmed down after a session of martial arts I actually kind of like the sneak peek we got with ME:N/ME4. I guess with DAI coming out so soon the best way for the blue B is to release small incremental bits of info at specific time points. Maybe on N7 day we will get a name or at least an answer to why the krogan in the trailer was naked and has a horn on his head.

[Madcat 124]

Sure, but who's to say--again--that this next game takes place within living memory of the events of ME3?

 

Aaryn Flynn was really cagey but something to take note of from his little interview is that he pretty much shot down the idea of "returning characters" and instead specifically stated "returning races"...

That's true, and to be quite honest I wouldn't care.

[Heimdall]

It's what it represents. Why are you so sure that they're going to abandon their centre of government? Why would they do that? Why wouldn't we be able to visit what has essentially been the hub of the trilogy?

Of course there's going to be new locations and "immense distance", but the Galaxy is HUGE - they can introduce thousands of new planets and loads of new races that exist within the Milky Way. It's not going to be set in a new Galaxy. It's not plausible, deal with it. The Reapers couldn't get to other Galaxies, neither can we. Even at FTL it would be hundreds or thousands of years before they got there and that means the new Galaxy would be populated entirely by Asari or Krogan.

Aside from that center of government being filled with dead bodies and hopefully dormant Reaper tech? Why would they go back might be a better question. The Citadel is a sign of the old era and the Reaper cycle, not the new. It was the hub of the trilogy, but ME:N is not the trilogy. This new character is not Shepard, Citadel Council Spectre, but apparently isn't even the same sort of space marine type at all. Why should the Citadel remain the hub, when this is not the same story or the same characters?

They can introduce new races, they can introduce new locations, but none of that really fits with the immense distance implied by the devs. We've zipped from one end of the galaxy to another with the Mass Relays. If its on the network, where's the distance? It just means a fraction of a second in a relay. That's not new or surprising. If it's not on the relay network and it takes years to get there, then you can forget about revisiting the Citadel or any old locations any time soon. It may as well be a different galaxy.

It's quite plausible. This is science fiction. Say, perhaps, the ark project leaders worked out a way to use the Citadel relay to send themselves across the great intergalactic void and launched just as Reapers were overtaking the station. Or the Asari, in their study of Prothean technology, developed stasis pods with a stable power source. All plausible.

[DextroDNA]

Aside from that center of government being filled with dead bodies and hopefully dormant Reaper tech? Why would they go back might be a better question. The Citadel is a sign of the old era and the Reaper cycle, not the new. It was the hub of the trilogy, but is not the trilogy. This new character is not Shepard, Citadel Council Spectre, but apparently isn't even the same sort of space marine type at all. Why should the Citadel remain the hub, when this is not the same story or the same characters?

They can introduce new races, they can introduce new locations, but none of that really fits with the immense distance implied by the devs. We've zipped from one end of the galaxy to another with the Mass Relays. If its on the network, where's the distance? It just means a fraction of a second in a relay. That's not new or surprising. If it's not on the relay network and it takes years to get there, then you can forget about revisiting the Citadel or any old locations any time soon. It may as well be a different galaxy.

It's quite plausible. This is science fiction. Say, perhaps, the ark project leaders worked out a way to use the Citadel relay to send themselves across the great intergalactic void and launched just as Reapers were overtaking the station. Or the Asari, in their study of Prothean technology, developed stasis pods with a stable power source. All plausible.

Why do you keep focussing on the "Immense distance"? They said it ONCE. The thing they've really been emphasising is scale of the world. Casey even said "one end of the Galaxy to the other" not "across dark space and into another Galaxy".

 

Also, I don't know if you remember but EC ending (mine at least) had Relays and Citadel repaired with people using them. The Citadel was above Earth, they don't need Relays to get to it anyway. They rebuilt it and continued to use it. They rebuilt the Relays and can move around the Galaxy again. We already KNOW they went back.

 

"Ark project leaders". Can we stop with this? It is literally the stupidest idea - it's not happening, it's not plausible. The Council didn't know the Repaers were coming, how did they have time to invest in a massive ark project, keep it secret, and then just send everyone away into darkspace to die just as the Reapers came? I seriously doubt that in a couple of months some Asari scientists did what the Protheans did but 100x better, they weren't planning a slingshot across Galaxies. How would they even have time to work out how the Citadel works and then get thousands of people fired into dark space in 5 minutes? And what would they do once in dark space? Die, that's what. Cryo-stasis is plausible but then is ME4 just going to be a tonne of frozen Asari drifting through dark space?

 

Seriously, man. There is no ark project. It's not set in another Galaxy. IT'S NOT PLAUSIBLE. And even if it was IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA. I seriously don't get where you're getting all this crap from. There's been nothing to indicate any of it. I am 99.9% sure ME4 is set in the Milky Way with all the locations we know AND NEW ONES. They're building upon what they've already got, not tearing it down after 7 years and starting over. How stupid do you think they are?

 

edit: going to sleep now, hope some people come to their senses and stop coming up with outlandish ideas that just aren't going to happen. This isn't even speculation, it's just pure fan-fiction.

[shepskisaac]

I seriously don't get where you're getting all this crap from. There's been nothing to indicate any of it. I am 99.9% sure ME4 is set in the Milky Way with all the locations we know AND NEW ONES. They're building upon what they've already got, not tearing it down after 7 years and starting over. How stupid do you think they are?

So you're saying that they're either ignoring the choices or retconning them out. 'Cause there's no other way around ME3 endings if the next game take is a sequel that takes place in the same galaxy AND in the same locations.

[Drone223]

Yeah if the game is set in another galaxy they may as well start a new franchise instead.

[Malanek]

Immense distance may just be referring to the fact that the Mass Relays are gone. If you fly out to found a new colony "merely" 1000 light years away, there is a long time delay in being able to return to civilisation (I gather ships in ME can travel light years per day?). With the relays that sort of distance is only a big deal when you are not near a relay. Without them every trip is a big deal that could take months. I hope there is something like this.

[Eamon696]

There are a few things that I make me doubt the Ark theory:

 

* The technology that we saw in the preview seemed more advanced than that of the tech in ME1-3.  If the ark left during the events of ME3, then shouldn't it be at that level and not beyond it?

*  If this was in another galaxy, say the Andromeda, then the Ark would need a way to get there.  Dark space is massive, and it would require an incomprehensible amount of fuel to reach, in addition to time and other resources.

 

While I believe the Ark theory is interesting, I don't believe it is the right direction to take the Mass Effect Universe.  I know some may (vehemently) disagree with me, but I would have no problem if Bioware canonized the High EMS destroy ending and proceeded to make a sequel.

[Chala]

Seriously, man. There is no ark project. It's not set in another Galaxy. IT'S NOT PLAUSIBLE. I seriously don't get where you're getting all this crap from. There's been nothing to indicate any of it. I am 99.9% sure ME4 is set in the Milky Way with all the locations we know AND NEW ONES. They're building upon what they've already got, not tearing it down after 7 years and starting over. How stupid do you think they are?

Chill, we all are arguing using a bunch of nothing as evidence

Don't take it so seriously.

 

Still, I'm going to enter this landmine and say this:

I plan to remain neutral in all this situation until we have more evidence, but there's something that caught my attention:

 

 

I don't know what kind of space magic they pulled, but that galaxy map is not of the Milky Way.

[Malanek]

So you're saying that they're either ignoring the choices or retconning them out. 'Cause there's no other way around ME3 endings if the next game take is a sequel that takes place in the same galaxy AND in the same locations.

Setting the game in a different galaxy to avoid the players choice is, surprisingly enough, ignoring all the players choices as well. So is doing a prequel. So is doing an alternate universe.

 

Set it in a post destroy world imo. It's not saying this was the best choice, just the one possible future you are going to see. And hey, it was probably the worst choice for the people, but simply the most suitable for another story.

[shepskisaac]

Setting the game in a different galaxy to avoid the players choice is, surprisingly enough, ignoring all the players choices as well. So is doing a prequel. So is doing an alternate universe.

 

Set it in a post destroy world imo. It's not saying this was the best choice, just the one possible future you are going to see. And hey, it was probably the worst choice for the people, but simply the most suitable for another story.

Of course it's also a form of disregarding ME3 choices. But in a less direct and openly dismissive way.

[Heimdall]

Why do you keep focussing on the "Immense distance"? They said it ONCE. The thing they've really been emphasising is scale of the world. Casey even said "one end of the Galaxy to the other" not "across dark space and into another Galaxy".
 
Also, I don't know if you remember but EC ending (mine at least) had Relays and Citadel repaired with people using them. The Citadel was above Earth, they don't need Relays to get to it anyway. They rebuilt it and continued to use it. They rebuilt the Relays and can move around the Galaxy again.
 
"Ark project leaders". Can we stop with this? It is literally the stupidest idea - it's not happening, it's not plausible. The Council didn't know the Repaers were coming, how did they have time to invest in a massive ark project, keep it secret, and then just send everyone away into darkspace to die just as the Reapers came? I seriously doubt that in a couple of months some Asari scientists did what the Protheans did but 100x better, they weren't planning a slingshot across Galaxies. How would they even have time to work out how the Citadel works and then get thousands of people fired into dark space in 5 minutes? And what would they do once in dark space? Die, that's what. Cryo-stasis is plausible but then is ME4 just going to be a tonne of frozen Asari drifting through dark space?
 
Seriously, man. There is no ark project. It's not set in another Galaxy. IT'S NOT PLAUSIBLE. I seriously don't get where you're getting all this crap from. There's been nothing to indicate any of it. I am 99.9% sure ME4 is set in the Milky Way with all the locations we know AND NEW ONES. They're building upon what they've already got, not tearing it down after 7 years and starting over. How stupid do you think they are?

They said it, and they emphasized how surprised we'd be. That warrants notice. Casey never said it was this galaxy.

And? So what?

Whose to say the Council was behind it to start with? Perhaps an associate of the old Shadowbroker or Saren or whatnot got wind of the Reapers and began working on this years ago. The Council may have simply funded it later and accelerated the timeline once the Reapers struck. As for the stasis pods, Liara herself said the only reason the pods failed was a lack of power. Borrowing design aspects from the Crucible or some such, I'm sure some cutting edge Asari scientist that's been working on the subject with data from the Prothean beacon for decades could come up with something. Of course they could just build some sort of Agri-ship and live on the ship for a few generations. I never said Ark Theory was a sure thing, or that it was especially indicated, just that it's entirely plausible is Bioware went that direction and fits the pieces we have.

Leaving this galaxy does not mean tearing down what they have. The locations weren't what they built over the years, the people were, the histories and conflicts between the races. All that is still there. That's not stupidity, its breaking fresh ground while holding onto the important bits.

[Heimdall]

There are a few things that I make me doubt the Ark theory:
 
* The technology that we saw in the preview seemed more advanced than that of the tech in ME1-3.  If the ark left during the events of ME3, then shouldn't it be at that level and not beyond it?
*  If this was in another galaxy, say the Andromeda, then the Ark would need a way to get there.  Dark space is massive, and it would require an incomprehensible amount of fuel to reach, in addition to time and other resources.
 
While I believe the Ark theory is interesting, I don't believe it is the right direction to take the Mass Effect Universe.  I know some may (vehemently) disagree with me, but I would have no problem if Bioware canonized the High EMS destroy ending and proceeded to make a sequel.

You bring up good points, but I think I can see a way around them.

*We could be playing well after the ark has arrived and the inhabitants reestablished civilization, allowing time for the advancement of technology.
*There's always the "Commandeer the Citadel Relay" idea. Everyone on the Citadel ended up dead after the Reapers attacked, whose to say what happened as or shortly before they attacked?

[Malanek]

There's always the possibility of some "special" relay that moved the player (or players ancestors) between galaxies if the writers really wanted to do that.  ie council secretly found this relay some time ago. Were not sure of its purpose but studied it and determined it was massive in scope. When Reapers invade they get desperate and decide to risk an arkship by activating it.

 

I hope ME4 is set in our galaxy and is a sequel around 30 years after ME3, but there are enough hints that it is in a different galaxy that it should be considered. eg Galaxy map, devs distance emphasis, Asari councilors speech in ME3.