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[Heimdall]

While I believe it will take place on another galaxy. The only way I can see the "ark" working is if they do the same thing as the Reapers and shoot them to Dark Space using a Mass Relay (To reduce travel time to a manageable size)... Even with that, we don't know how far the Relay can go and if someone on the galaxy knows enough about them to do it.

 

The idea sounds a bit impossible.

Someone crunched the numbers, apparently the FTL time (12 Lightyears per day) it takes to get from our galaxy to Andromeda (The closest other galaxy, actually its on a collision course with the MW) is 500-600 years.  Cut off a few hundred years at Reaper FTL speeds.  Assuming they come up with some creative solutions to the core dumping issue (Carry "ballast" to be periodically jettisoned into space?), find a workable power source (Reverse engineered Reaper tech maybe), and perhaps reverse engineer some stasis pods (Prothean pods worked fine after 50,000 years with enough power, I imagine some enterprising scientists could work out something that lasts a few centuries), set off the ship(s) with a young Asari flight crew, and maybe reduce the distance with a leap through the Citadel Relay (We still don't know much about that one, so they have room to maneuver in their fiction), the journey itself isn't really implausible.

[B.Shep]

I despise the "ark concept" and my gut says nobody at Bioware is stupid enough to even consider doing it.

You took the words from my mouth my friend

[DextroDNA]

I really don't get why you all want to be set in another Galaxy... it boggles my mind! I don't even know how you're coming up with the conclusion that it makes sense! Why would anyone want to leave the Milky Way? There's no reason to!

[Hrungr]

Barrett Rodych ‏@ForgedPixels 

You know it's getting busy in the studio when you don't have a good chance to get your first coffee until almost noon. #milestones

[Chala]

I really don't get why you all want to be set in another Galaxy... it boggles my mind! I don't even know how you're coming up with the conclusion that it makes sense! Why would anyone want to leave the Milky Way? There's no reason to!

I don't know about the rest... But having a whole armada of doomsday machine squids doing a galaxy-wide attack is enough reason for me to consider getting the hell out of said galaxy

 

 

Someone crunched the numbers, apparently the FTL time (12 Lightyears per day) it takes to get from our galaxy to Andromeda (The closest other galaxy, actually its on a collision course with the MW) is 500-600 years.  Cut off a few hundred years at Reaper FTL speeds.  Assuming they come up with some creative solutions to the core dumping issue (Carry "ballast" to be periodically jettisoned into space?), find a workable power source (Reverse engineered Reaper tech maybe), and perhaps reverse engineer some stasis pods (Prothean pods worked fine after 50,000 years with enough power, I imagine some enterprising scientists could work out something that lasts a few centuries), set off the ship(s) with a young Asari flight crew, and maybe reduce the distance with a leap through the Citadel Relay (We still don't know much about that one, so they have room to maneuver in their fiction), the journey itself isn't really implausible.

 

If it's 500 years (Or less, if they use the relay), it can be done with the stasis and crew. But I have doubts with the energy, I don't think 3 years is enough to reverse-engineer Reaper tech and create a functional core for such a long journey.

[Heimdall]

I really don't get why you all want to be set in another Galaxy... it boggles my mind! I don't even know how you're coming up with the conclusion that it makes sense! Why would anyone want to leave the Milky Way? There's no reason to!

Aside from avoiding forced canon or homogenizing the ending of the trilogy?  Aside from getting a fresh start without that baggage hanging around?  That's plenty of real life reason for the developers to go that way.  As for in-universe reasons, its quite reasonable to assume that a substantial number of people would prefer a plan of escape to putting blind faith in a mystery weapon that does... nobody knows.  And if some group of people found out about the Reapers and started this plan years before Sovereign attacked the Citadel, (Or even immediately after if there were enough of them) then the logistics aren't unfeasible.

[DextroDNA]

Aside from avoiding forced canon or homogenizing the ending of the trilogy?  Aside from getting a fresh start without that baggage hanging around?  That's plenty of real life reason for the developers to go that way.  As for in-universe reasons, its quite reasonable to assume that a substantial number of people would prefer a plan of escape to putting blind faith in a mystery weapon that does... nobody knows.  And if some group of people found out about the Reapers and started this plan years before Sovereign attacked the Citadel, (Or even immediately after if there were enough of them) then the logistics aren't unfeasible.

Nobody but the governments of the different races and those close to Shepard knew about the Crucible. Not everyone knew they were building a big super weapon. They wouldn't even have the time or resources to build an ark with everything going on. I seriously doubt a "substantial number of people" would want to leave the entire Galaxy and go to an empty one where they have to start from new and could possibly even die on the way there.

 

If enough people knew about the Reapers coming that they could build an "ark" then why didn't they tell the council? I'm sure this substantial amount of people who knew about the Reapers would have provided whatever evidence they had. You're reasons are seriously pushing it, there's no way anyone in the Galaxy would have enough time, money and resources to build a huge ship capable of travelling between Galaxies and keeping everyone alive onboard.

 

How would they even build this ark? It would take years to reverse-engineer Reaper and Prothean tech and then years to implement it. How would they use the Citadel Relay without understanding how the Citadel itself even works? How would people not notice a huge ark ship cruising through past the Citadel and getting shot through space - I guess I missed that while Cerberus was invading the station.

 

It is ridiculously unfeasible. The reasons you've come up with a seriously pushing the boundaries. Bioware aren't going to go that far.

[DextroDNA]

I don't know about the rest... But having a whole armada of doomsday machine squids doing a galaxy-wide attack is enough reason for me to consider getting the hell out of said galaxy

And go where? To another Galaxy where you have no resources? Where there's no people and no relays? Where you'd probably get shot down by another alien race? They wouldn't even have time or resources to build an ark in the few months the Reaper War lasted. And even then, would ME4 centre around like 500 people on one colony in a new Galaxy where they have no resources and slowly die?

[Vortex13]

Races like Elcor, Hanar, Rachni won't be playable because they'd have to completely rework gameplay to suit them.

 

 

Main PC protagonist would defiantly be out of the question, but I don't see why the gameplay, or story would have to be completely reworked to have such races as squad mates and/or playable MP characters. 

 

I mean even with ME 3's MP being an experiment (more or less) and with all kits restricted to a human animation skeleton, BioWare still managed to create some rather unique play styles with kits like the Geth Juggernaut and the Volus. Why not expand upon the foundation set by ME 3's MP and broaden the roster of playable races to include the Rachani and Elcor? You could defiantly have a unique gameplay mechanic with a kit that is focused on melee combat, and only uses natural weapons and armor.

 

I am biased on this I will admit.   I just want to skitter over cover as my Rachni Soldier, clawing my way through foes. Please BioWare? 

 

 

I really don't get why you all want to be set in another Galaxy... it boggles my mind! I don't even know how you're coming up with the conclusion that it makes sense! Why would anyone want to leave the Milky Way? There's no reason to!

 

 

^ This. 

 

The Milky Way is less then 1% explored as of ME 3, why would we need to go to another galaxy, when there is 297* games worth of exploration left in our galaxy?

 

* Figuring that ME 1 - 3 = 1% Exploration of Galaxy.

[Heimdall]

I don't know about the rest... But having a whole armada of doomsday machine squids doing a galaxy-wide attack is enough reason for me to consider getting the hell out of said galaxy

 

 

 

If it's 500 years (Or less, if they use the relay), it can be done with the stasis and crew. But I have doubts with the energy, I don't think 3 years is enough to reverse-engineer Reaper tech and create a functional core for such a long journey.

Yes, that's the one major problem I think, though I'd probably accept a hand wave on that matter.  Perhaps some Prothean relic can provide the necessary power.  I mean, their power sources remained viable for 50,000 to keep Javik alive.  Ship(s) FTL would require more power than one pod obviously, but the fact that it worked for 50,000 years despite being heavily damaged shows promise.  They've had a lot more time to study Prothean technology than Reapers, especially if some clandestine element of the Asari government allowed access to their beacon.  Probably better to keep Reaper tech out of it to avoid carrying indoctrination (Or even the fan speculation of it, ugh) into the new galaxy anyway.

[Heimdall]

And go where? To another Galaxy where you have no resources? Where there's no people and no relays? Where you'd probably get shot down by another alien race? They wouldn't even have time or resources to build an ark in the few months the Reaper War lasted. And even then, would ME4 centre around like 500 people on one colony in a new Galaxy where they have no resources and slowly die?

Galaxy with giant unstoppable genocide squids < Galaxy without giant unstoppable genocide squids

 

Its a desperate choice between all but certain doom (You said yourself that most people don't even know about the Crucible, so this would seem like their only hope) and the unknown.  Is it really so far fetched?

 

Also, ME4 could easily leap ahead centuries or even thousands of years to a point when the colony was well established and expanding into the new galaxy.

[Chala]

And go where? To another Galaxy where you have no resources? Where there's no people and no relays? Where you'd probably get shot down by another alien race? They wouldn't even have time or resources to build an ark in the few months the Reaper War lasted. And even then, would ME4 centre around like 500 people on one colony in a new Galaxy where they have no resources and slowly die?

 

When it's about survival and avoiding inminent death, some are willing to take those risks.

While relays are important, it won't be the end of FLT, living with the possibility of being shot down by another alien race is an average exploration day even on the Milky Way. And if they settle in a planet with no resources, well... They are doing it wrong   

 

Regarding the build time, it's the main reason why I don't beliebe in the ark, I simply don't think there's enough time to pull something like that. Still, it won't the first time we see a "long journey" ship on the ME universe: I think it was on ME1, but I remember a group of scientist considering finding the Rachni relay by doing a normal FTL (Or something like that).
 

[ElitePinecone]

I really don't get why you all want to be set in another Galaxy... it boggles my mind! I don't even know how you're coming up with the conclusion that it makes sense! Why would anyone want to leave the Milky Way? There's no reason to!

 

Unless there's another way to continue the series chronologically without accounting for the endings, a different galaxy seems just about the only solution. 

 

Watering down the impact of the endings is a terrible idea. Bioware defended them at the time, they defended them later, and those endings should stand. Extended Cut even made them *more* distinctive and more detailed. Ignoring or merging them renders ME3 narratively pointless, and makes Shepard's entire story arc insignificant. 

 

Since there is *no* way to reconcile Synthesis with Control or Destroy, future games cannot and should not take place in the Milky Way. Period.

[ElitePinecone]

And go where? To another Galaxy where you have no resources? Where there's no people and no relays? Where you'd probably get shot down by another alien race? They wouldn't even have time or resources to build an ark in the few months the Reaper War lasted. And even then, would ME4 centre around like 500 people on one colony in a new Galaxy where they have no resources and slowly die?

 

No, it would take place three or four hundred years after the first settlers arrive, and every species has had a long chance to spread out across the stars.

[Heimdall]

 

If enough people knew about the Reapers coming that they could build an "ark" then why didn't they tell the council? I'm sure this substantial amount of people who knew about the Reapers would have provided whatever evidence they had. You're reasons are seriously pushing it, there's no way anyone in the Galaxy would have enough time, money and resources to build a huge ship capable of travelling between Galaxies and keeping everyone alive onboard.

 

How would they even build this ark? It would take years to reverse-engineer Reaper and Prothean tech and then years to implement it. How would they use the Citadel Relay without understanding how the Citadel itself even works? How would people not notice a huge ark ship cruising through past the Citadel and getting shot through space - I guess I missed that while Cerberus was invading the station.

 

It is ridiculously unfeasible. The reasons you've come up with a seriously pushing the boundaries. Bioware aren't going to go that far.

The Council didn't believe in the Reapers when one knocked on their door and tried to kill them, with testimony from one of their Spectre agents backing up the idea.  I'm not saying these people have anymore proof Shepard, in fact I'm imagining them as a bit of a fringe group, or a secret society, that used a substantial amount of personal wealth and whatever investors they could find, combined with a massive influx of investors looking for a way out of the Reaper War once it began.  If something as massive as the Crucible can be completed in a few months, I imagine they can build several much smaller ark ships (Or retrofit existing ships) with years on their hands even with fewer resources.

 

I imagine it happened just before the Reapers retook the station.  All the witnesses are dead (Or possibly some escaped on the Ark ships).

[DextroDNA]

Galaxy with giant unstoppable genocide squids < Galaxy without giant unstoppable genocide squids

 

Its a desperate choice between all but certain doom (You said yourself that most people don't even know about the Crucible, so this would seem like their only hope) and the unknown.  Is it really so far fetched?

 

Also, ME4 could easily leap ahead centuries or even thousands of years to a point when the colony was well established and expanding into the new galaxy.

I think most people in the Galaxy would be focussing on trying to stop the Reapers rather than going on a suicide mission to another Galaxy. If it's such a good idea, why didn't the Protheans do it? Their technology was centuries ahead of ours and they had around 300 years to do it.

[ElitePinecone]

Galaxy with giant unstoppable genocide squids < Galaxy without giant unstoppable genocide squids

 

This.

 

An ark is a pretty damn good back-up plan to have just in case the mysterious giant weapon you're building doesn't work.

[Chala]

Yes, that's the one major problem I think, though I'd probably accept a hand wave on that matter.  Perhaps some Prothean relic can provide the necessary power.  I mean, their power sources remained viable for 50,000 to keep Javik alive.  Ship(s) FTL would require more power than one pod obviously, but the fact that it worked for 50,000 years despite being heavily damaged shows promise.  They've had a lot more time to study Prothean technology than Reapers, especially if some clandestine element of the Asari government allowed access to their beacon.  Probably better to keep Reaper tech out of it to avoid carrying indoctrination (Or even the fan speculation of it, ugh) into the new galaxy anyway.

I've forgot about that detail, I can see it happening...

 

Can you imagine a galaxy without Reaper tech?

 

[DextroDNA]

Unless there's another way to continue the series chronologically without accounting for the endings, a different galaxy seems just about the only solution. 

 

Watering down the impact of the endings is a terrible idea. Bioware defended them at the time, they defended them later, and those endings should stand. Extended Cut even made them *more* distinctive and more detailed. Ignoring or merging them renders ME3 narratively pointless, and makes Shepard's entire story arc insignificant. 

 

Since there is *no* way to reconcile Synthesis with Control or Destroy, future games cannot and should not take place in the Milky Way. Period.

Why can't they account for the endings?

 

Watering down the endings is a whole lot better than just saying "screw it" to everything and essentially rebooting the franchise - because that's what going to another Galaxy would be doing. Making one single change to something like Synthesis isn't the be-all end-all.

 

"future games cannot and should not take place in the Milky Way. Period." That is THE MOST RIDICULOUS STATEMENT ON THESE WHOLE FORUMS. Future games can and WILL take place in the Milky Way.

[ElitePinecone]

I think most people in the Galaxy would be focussing on trying to stop the Reapers rather than going on a suicide mission to another Galaxy. If it's such a good idea, why didn't the Protheans do it? Their technology was centuries ahead of ours and they had around 300 years to do it.

 

Stopping the Reapers is literally impossible, though. To the best of everyone's knowledge, nobody has ever done it. Ever. In billions of years.

 

How could faith in Shepard and the Crucible possibly outweigh the near-certainty of being obliterated? Any and every solution is preferable to staying, fighting, and losing. Escape from an enemy is the single option left when fighting them has been proven to simply not work.

[DextroDNA]

No, it would take place three or four hundred years after the first settlers arrive, and every species has had a long chance to spread out across the stars.

So is this ship going to hold hundreds of mining ships and fuel for them? Is it going to hold all the food they're going to need for the 3 or 400 years you're talking about? This is starting to sound more like a bloody portable space station, something they're DEFINITELY not moving between Galaxies.

[Heimdall]

I think most people in the Galaxy would be focussing on trying to stop the Reapers rather than going on a suicide mission to another Galaxy. If it's such a good idea, why didn't the Protheans do it? Their technology was centuries ahead of ours and they had around 300 years to do it.

Those people would consider trying to stop the Reapers to be the suicidal course of action.

 

How do you know some of them didn't?  Or maybe their infrastructure was too fragmented when the Reapers attacked through the Citadel to muster the attempt.

[ElitePinecone]

Future games can and WILL take place in the Milky Way.

 

nope. new galaxy 100% confirmed i heard it from my neighbour's cousin's dog who works for bioware

[Chala]

I think most people in the Galaxy would be focussing on trying to stop the Reapers rather than going on a suicide mission to another Galaxy. If it's such a good idea, why didn't the Protheans do it? Their technology was centuries ahead of ours and they had around 300 years to do it.

Maybe they tried, maybe that's the reason there's a Prothean in one of those pictures (If he is a prothean). Also, we don't really know how many plans they had:

By ME3 we know there was a huge lack of communication and that each group never knew clearly what the other were doing except for rumours.

[DextroDNA]

The Council didn't believe in the Reapers when one knocked on their door and tried to kill them, with testimony from one of their Spectre agents backing up the idea.  I'm not saying these people have anymore proof Shepard, in fact I'm imagining them as a bit of a fringe group, or a secret society, that used a substantial amount of personal wealth and whatever investors they could find, combined with a massive influx of investors looking for a way out of the Reaper War once it began.  If something as massive as the Crucible can be completed in a few months, I imagine they can build several much smaller ark ships (Or retrofit existing ships) with years on their hands even with fewer resources.

 

I imagine it happened just before the Reapers retook the station.  All the witnesses are dead (Or possibly some escaped on the Ark ships).

So you think a small secret society has enough money and resources to build an ark ship and then move to another Galaxy? And they have enough people to populate an entirely new Galaxy? Do you even realise how ridiculous you sound? Nobody would invest in something as ridiculous in an ark mission when they're too busy trying to stop the Reapers. And again, you're missing the point. It doesn't take long to build ships - it takes a long time to reverse engineer Reaper technology during a war with the Reapers and then implement it onto a ship and then they have to try and work out how to use the Citadel (yup, the Council just lets them wander into the Citadel and play with the core systems).

 

I imagine it never happened.