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[chris2365]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/PatrickWeekes/status/240653412281233408
"Future DLC plans of any kind depend upon success of Leviathan. If we see that people want SP DLC, can always make more. "

Forgive me then community. I always wait for all of the SP DLC to release so that I can buy and play it in a single new playthrough. I just like it better that way

[spirosz]

Why.... would they wait for the success of Leviathan? Are they not confident enough in their work (artistic integrity)? I would assume 2 or 3 would be planned from the get-go. Guess it works out differently, hopefully they look at the demand for ME2 character DLC, etc.

[xsdob]

Grubas wrote...

xsdob wrote...

So you guys are surprised that a entity who creates content for profit wouldn't make said content if there was not said profit?

So you imply that bioware isn't intrested anymore in investing into the franchise, target more customers? That all they do now is cash in on the succes they had with ME1 and 2? Because what BW needs now is regain some trust, you know, long-term-wise... 

No, I'm sayin that if you don't buy things bioware makes, it tells them that the customers no longer wish to be targeted by bioware or are interested in investing in the series.

If the audience did not put the investment into the seires, can bioware really be expected to put investment into it?

[xsdob]

spirosz wrote...

Why.... would they wait for the success of Leviathan? Are they not confident enough in their work (artistic integrity)? I would assume 2 or 3 would be planned from the get-go. Guess it works out differently, hopefully they look at the demand for ME2 character DLC, etc.

If your fans were as enraged as mass effect's fans, but you wanted to stick with your ideas on how to end the series, would you be confident in you work?

I wouldn't.

[spirosz]

xsdob wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Why.... would they wait for the success of Leviathan? Are they not confident enough in their work (artistic integrity)? I would assume 2 or 3 would be planned from the get-go. Guess it works out differently, hopefully they look at the demand for ME2 character DLC, etc.

If your fans were as enraged as mass effect's fans, but you wanted to stick with your ideas on how to end the series, would you be confident in you work?

I wouldn't.

But we're just the "minority" no? 

[xsdob]

spirosz wrote...

xsdob wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Why.... would they wait for the success of Leviathan? Are they not confident enough in their work (artistic integrity)? I would assume 2 or 3 would be planned from the get-go. Guess it works out differently, hopefully they look at the demand for ME2 character DLC, etc.

If your fans were as enraged as mass effect's fans, but you wanted to stick with your ideas on how to end the series, would you be confident in you work?

I wouldn't.

But we're just the "minority" no? 

So you want to play the victim card now huh?

I'm not trying to defend bioware in this, but I am trtrying to stop the faulty logic people seem to think is okay when thinking on this. There's no outside perspective or seeing things from other points of view in this discussion, only people being like "Well I think it should work this way, so it should." and what I say to that is, no, the world does not operate on what you think is the best model, it operates on what is the most practical model.

And the most practical way to judge whether fans want something or want more of something is to offer it to them and see how many take the offer, which is what this dlc is along with additonal content. It is to gauge the fanbase to see if they can, now that they addressed the endings the way they want to, still invest in mass effect 3.

Don't act as if this is the first time anything involving any entertainment or saga piece has ever judged the sucess of a franchise on sales or views.

Modifié par xsdob, 31 août 2012 - 10:32 .

[spirosz]

xsdob wrote...

spirosz wrote...

xsdob wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Why.... would they wait for the success of Leviathan? Are they not confident enough in their work (artistic integrity)? I would assume 2 or 3 would be planned from the get-go. Guess it works out differently, hopefully they look at the demand for ME2 character DLC, etc.

If your fans were as enraged as mass effect's fans, but you wanted to stick with your ideas on how to end the series, would you be confident in you work?

I wouldn't.

But we're just the "minority" no? 

So you want to play the victim card now huh?

No, just stating what most people use as an argument - PR, journalists, most people here, just sayin'

[RenegadeXV]

spirosz wrote...

Why.... would they wait for the success of Leviathan? Are they not confident enough in their work (artistic integrity)? I would assume 2 or 3 would be planned from the get-go. Guess it works out differently, hopefully they look at the demand for ME2 character DLC, etc.

They aren't waiting. People have found files for two additional DLCs: Omega and something Citadel related.

[spirosz]

COGNiTiON 1 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Why.... would they wait for the success of Leviathan? Are they not confident enough in their work (artistic integrity)? I would assume 2 or 3 would be planned from the get-go. Guess it works out differently, hopefully they look at the demand for ME2 character DLC, etc.

They aren't waiting. People have found files for two additional DLCs: Omega and something Citadel related.

That's what I'm assuming, they should of had more than 1 DLC planned, especially for a SP focused game. 

[xsdob]

spirosz wrote...

xsdob wrote...

spirosz wrote...

xsdob wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Why.... would they wait for the success of Leviathan? Are they not confident enough in their work (artistic integrity)? I would assume 2 or 3 would be planned from the get-go. Guess it works out differently, hopefully they look at the demand for ME2 character DLC, etc.

If your fans were as enraged as mass effect's fans, but you wanted to stick with your ideas on how to end the series, would you be confident in you work?

I wouldn't.

But we're just the "minority" no? 

So you want to play the victim card now huh?

No, just stating what most people use as an argument - PR, journalists, most people here, just sayin'

Added more things to my post so it actually has something of substance now. Also, apologies for saying you used the victim card, that was rude.

[Siran]

sparkyo42 wrote...

Even before the Debacle of the ending, DLC had no appeal to me. The story one way or the other is over, no matter what way you interupt the end it's still the end of Shepard's story, by their own words.

Adding a couple of pages of a novel after I've finished the novel isn't going to draw me back.

ME is not a novel... You can't tell me you haven't played ME more than once - DLC adds to the replay value and especially Leviathan in this case as it fleshes out the beginning of the Reapers and adds so much more banter and scenes with the squadmates we've all grown attached to. To me that's why Leviathan is even better than LotSB and that was until now my favourite DLC and made me believe that DLC can actually add to a game.

[B.Shep]

xsdob wrote...
So you want to play the victim card now huh?

I'm not trying to defend bioware in this, but I am trtrying to stop the faulty logic people seem to think is okay when thinking on this. There's no outside perspective or seeing things from other points of view in this discussion, only people being like "Well I think it should work this way, so it should." and what I say to that is, no, the world does not operate on what you think is the best model, it operates on what is the most practical model.

And the most practical way to judge whether fans want something or want more of something is to offer it to them and see how many take the offer, which is what this dlc is along with additonal content. It is to gauge the fanbase to see if they can, now that they addressed the endings the way they want to, still invest in mass effect 3.

Don't act as if this is the first time anything involving any entertainment or saga piece has ever judged the sucess of a franchise on sales or views.

Take the words from my mouth.
I just hope enough people buy Leviathan (i did my part and loved the DLC)...

By the way, nice to see they released the sound track:)

[Siran]

Unschuld wrote...
Telling us, the long term fans, "this is the end of Shepard's story" period was probably the dumbest thing they could have done. If they didn't so flatly state this, then the ambiguity of the Shepard breath scene would have been enough to give them their precious fan speculation and retain interest (even if the rest of the end was still convoluted crap). Even if it was the end, it wouldn't be a lie to simply remain ambiguous until they readied whatever else was next on the story line.

They've said time and again that there is no canon ending. So there cannot be more of Shepard's story, as in many people's playthroughs he is dead. ME was always about choice, the endings are no different and that is why there won't be a story of Shepard that plays after the events of ME3. You want a DLC after ME3, you take away any kind of choice.

[Siran]

COGNiTiON 1 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Why.... would they wait for the success of Leviathan? Are they not confident enough in their work (artistic integrity)? I would assume 2 or 3 would be planned from the get-go. Guess it works out differently, hopefully they look at the demand for ME2 character DLC, etc.

They aren't waiting. People have found files for two additional DLCs: Omega and something Citadel related.

People have found files in ME1, ME2 and even the original ME3 that never made it to a DLC. Just because "something is there" doesn't mean it will someday be a full-blown DLC.

[sparkyo42]

Siran wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

Even before the Debacle of the ending, DLC had no appeal to me. The story one way or the other is over, no matter what way you interupt the end it's still the end of Shepard's story, by their own words.

Adding a couple of pages of a novel after I've finished the novel isn't going to draw me back.

ME is not a novel... You can't tell me you haven't played ME more than once - DLC adds to the replay value and especially Leviathan in this case as it fleshes out the beginning of the Reapers and adds so much more banter and scenes with the squadmates we've all grown attached to. To me that's why Leviathan is even better than LotSB and that was until now my favourite DLC and made me believe that DLC can actually add to a game.

Since the end of ME3 no I haven't, no matter the permutations of ME1+2 it all plays out the same, any other DLC ends the same way, with the hard ending of ME3 then mid stream DLC doesn't change anything and isn't/wasn't important enough to play a role in the release. My love of the Lore ended when Twitter and Head Canon got introduced as an intregal part of the lore.

I found the game lacking across the board and by the end I was finishing it because it was ME not because I enjoyed it. Nothing I've seen about Leviathan has changed my mind about this, or Bioware.

The lists has been go over by others and I'm not going to bring it in here but at the end of the day, I bought a CE at full value that didn't deliever anything worth what I paid and I'm going with Chris P's view that if we don't enjoy it, move on, if that means that ME3 ends early so be it.

Modifié par sparkyo42, 31 août 2012 - 10:56 .

[RenegadeXV]

Siran wrote...

People have found files in ME1, ME2 and even the original ME3 that never made it to a DLC. Just because "something is there" doesn't mean it will someday be a full-blown DLC.

These files were found in recently released content (7th and 28th August).

I can understand something being found in the files of the core game that never makes it to DLC, but not something actually found within a recent DLC. They have a limited amount of space and time to create DLC. I can't see BioWare wasting that on content they'll never use.

Modifié par COGNiTiON 1, 01 septembre 2012 - 12:40 .

[xsdob]

COGNiTiON 1 wrote...

Siran wrote...

People have found files in ME1, ME2 and even the original ME3 that never made it to a DLC. Just because "something is there" doesn't mean it will someday be a full-blown DLC.

These files were found in recently released content (7th and 28th August).

I can understand something being found in the files of the core game that never makes it to DLC, but not something actually found within a recent DLC. They have a limited amount of space and time to create DLC. I can't see BioWare wasting that on content they'll never use.

Tell that to the dragonage 2 expansion.

[Unschuld]

Siran wrote...

Unschuld wrote...
Telling us, the long term fans, "this is the end of Shepard's story" period was probably the dumbest thing they could have done. If they didn't so flatly state this, then the ambiguity of the Shepard breath scene would have been enough to give them their precious fan speculation and retain interest (even if the rest of the end was still convoluted crap). Even if it was the end, it wouldn't be a lie to simply remain ambiguous until they readied whatever else was next on the story line.

They've said time and again that there is no canon ending. So there cannot be more of Shepard's story, as in many people's playthroughs he is dead. ME was always about choice, the endings are no different and that is why there won't be a story of Shepard that plays after the events of ME3. You want a DLC after ME3, you take away any kind of choice.

Realistically, yes, of course. However, that wasn't my point. Mass Effect has only ever contained the illusion of choice, anyway.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I liked leviathan. Let me start by saying that. I have an issue with this though. They know a lot of people were angered over their ending. They had a chance to rectify this with the EC, yet they didn't. One of the biggest issues I see over it is sheperds death or no reunion do his supposed "living " ending. It's not too difficult to add a few extra scenes for those people to give them satisfaction. Some people don't want to pay for mid story dlc because no matter how well it's done, it only delays the bitter reality of most of the endings. If they had their happy reunion ending, many people would look forward to buying dlc that enriches the journey along the way.

I personally am quite fine with the low ems destroy ending. At least of brings closure , sad that everyone died, but closure nonetheless. Not everyone is like that though. So that's gonna be the issue with single player dlc. Bioware is still crossing their arms afraid to admit they were wrong, and are still stubborn to ADD to, not change, the endings. The happy ending people could have gotten a reunion, instead they had a "this took 5 minutes to put together" sideshow. I feel for those peeps.

-Polite

[Jaron Oberyn]

Well iPhones autocorrect sure made it look like English isn't my first language...

[BrookerT]

devSin wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I've heard both sides of the argument, so I'm aware of the possibility.

There is no argument.

There is the truth, as spoken by the people who made the decision, and then there is the fiction spun by people who falsely believe that the DA2 DLC didn't perform well.

Yeah, Im pretty sure Legacy and MOTA sold well, Legacy had near universal BSN acclaim.

[Icinix]

BrookerT wrote...

devSin wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I've heard both sides of the argument, so I'm aware of the possibility.

There is no argument.

There is the truth, as spoken by the people who made the decision, and then there is the fiction spun by people who falsely believe that the DA2 DLC didn't perform well.

Yeah, Im pretty sure Legacy and MOTA sold well, Legacy had near universal BSN acclaim.

Yeah - I didn't pick up MOTA - but Legacy was a huge step in the right direction and seemed to get a lot of momentum across a lot of gaming sites too.

Although the argument about how they define good selling DLC since general DLC sold is still quite a low percentage of total sales is up in the air.

No-one in the game industry really has much clue what the best way to distribute and integrate DLC at the moment - although Legacy and Leviathan and LotSB ... (apparently starting your DLC with an L helps) is certainly seeming the way to go.

[CARL_DF90]

Many good points have been made regarding the DLC issue and I sincerely hope Bioware is actually paying attention this around. The key thing they need to remember going forward is that whatever they do it needs to have an effect on the ending beyond just a few extra lines a la Leviathan, because the fact is there are still a great many people not pleased with the handling of that issue. Make the DLCs relevant. Make them matter. Some of us have been trying to help Bioware. A great many tried to warn you about the flawed premise of the ending and how sticking to it was a mistake but you ended up not listing. Continuing this trend will only serve to further alienate your fans and consumers. I hope you realize that before you guys make anymore half-baked mistakes like the ending, and by extension the utter disappointment that was the EC.

[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/PatrickWeekes/status/241960962838654978

"Thank you again for all the awesome Leviathan feedback! Awesome to see so many people excited about more SP content. :)"

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 01 septembre 2012 - 06:11 .