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[goishen]

I'm kind'a digging this ark theory now. 

 

Maybe have some of the other races jump on board and join N7.  As a matter of fact, isn't that what they were called in M3?  N7 Special Ops team?

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.   

[ElitePinecone]

I'm just going to jump in here and say that considering how adamant they were about not changing the endings in the midst of all the controversies, artistic integrity and all that jazz, they probably won't be changing or invalidating them years later.

 

Yep.

 

Invalidating them would be so ridiculous after all that's happened, and the Extended Cut went to huge lengths to telegraph that each of the choices resulted in a radically different and changed galaxy.

 

Heck, Citadel went to huge lengths to telegraph that this was probably the last time we'd ever see those characters in that setting.

 

It kinda sucks that they've written themselves into a corner by making it virtually impossible to set anything after ME3 in the Milky Way, but that's what the writers chose to do in the third game and it's no excuse to go back on it just because that would be easier.

[birefringent]

I don't really like the Arktheory. Seen enough of those in other stories, and in a way that's already been done in ME with the Prothean beacons and Liara's time capsule. An Arkship would be the same to me. It's just a tiny difference; In one scenario the information is passed along to the next cycle. In the other one it's actual people trying to survive past the harvest, which is what the Leviathan's already did.

[Drone223]

"All choices will be unhapppy, so they may as well canonize the ending I prefer"?  Just because Bioware has done it before doesn't mean its a good idea.  Plenty of people are still upset over Anderson and Udina being forced into their roles like that.  Especially when the whole point of the ending choice was that you would be defining the fate of the galaxy.  There was never meant to be a direct follow up, no good will come of forcing it.

 

What part of its-not-about-going-to-new-places aren't you hearing?

Actually there is a lot of people would prefer that the destroy ending be picked since its the most preferred out of all the endings (not the ideal ending just preferred) it gives some building ground for the next game. And the only thing that is being made canon is the ending, not the several dozen choices that Shepard made before the ending and most of those choices only affect a few individuals not the entire galaxy (Samara, Jack, Miranda etc.). Even more people would more upset if the galaxy is abaddon forever since everything Shepard did to save was for nothing they may as well make refuse canon or just make a new franchise instead.

[SporkFu]

Only thing that matters is that the Mako is back. Everything else is just window dressing... heh, just kidding. I don't care if they canonize one particular ending, but I'd rather they do that than have something completely separate from Shepard's story. I've invested too much time and caring into those characters, that setting, that story to have it be nothing going forward. 

[JeffZero]

I'm honestly comfortable with any of the hotly-debated directions discussed herein, although I think the one I would be the least comfortable with relative to the rest is a canonized Destroy ending, as it's not an ending I'll ever choose, though I do recognize and respect the fact that with regard to the fandom it is the most popular pick and thus arguably the most likely to be selected of the three (four). Personally, selfishly perhaps, I'd rather see Ark Theory, or a canonized Synthesis or Control, or... something else, just not a prequel if it can be helped, which thankfully probably won't occur IMO.

[fyz306903]

I'm honestly comfortable with any of the hotly-debated directions discussed herein, although I think the one I would be the least comfortable with relative to the rest is a canonized Destroy ending, as it's not an ending I'll ever choose, though I do recognize and respect the fact that with regard to the fandom it is the most popular pick and thus arguably the most likely to be selected of the three (four). Personally, selfishly perhaps, I'd rather see Ark Theory, or a canonized Synthesis or Control, or... something else, just not a prequel if it can be helped, which thankfully probably won't occur IMO.

I'm pretty sure ME4 will follow something along the lines of the ark theory, because not only would a sequel need to address the endings, it would have to address Shepard's choices throughout the trilogy, such as the possible extinction of the rachni, geth and quarians, not to mention whether the genophage is still around. 

[cap and gown]

I'm pretty sure ME4 will follow something along the lines of the ark theory, because not only would a sequel need to address the endings, it would have to address Shepard's choices throughout the trilogy, such as the possible extinction of the rachni, geth and quarians, not to mention whether the genophage is still around. 

 

It does NOT have to address these things. The genophage can be reimposed or cured independent of Shepard. There might be another Rachni queen floating about in space somewhere. And the Geth could be rebuilt.

 

Or most likely of all, these issues are totally ignored. They were part of the trilogy but that does not make them part of any new game.

[Heimdall]

Actually there is a lot of people would prefer that the destroy ending be picked since its the most preferred out of all the endings (not the ideal ending just preferred) it gives some building ground for the next game. And the only thing that is being made canon is the ending, not the several dozen choices that Shepard made before the ending and most of those choices only affect a few individuals not the entire galaxy (Samara, Jack, Miranda etc.). Even more people would more upset if the galaxy is abaddon forever since everything Shepard did to save was for nothing they may as well make refuse canon or just make a new franchise instead.

"A lot of people" would like a lot of things.  Not sure why that matters.  Having to take into account all those other choices (Quarians being extinct or not, Krogan cured of the Genophage or not, etc.) is the other part of the problem.  There's no way they could portray such a diverse set of outcomes satisfactorily unless they deliberately avoided anything related to it and homogenized them, even if you canonize destroy.

 

Leaving the galaxy doesn't destroy it.  Really don't understand this mindset, its like an infant that cries because it doesn't realize that its mother still exists when it can't see her.  The galaxy is still there.  Better yet, its still there and the integrity of all your choices (Even if you did choose refuse) remains.  No forced canon nonsense.  Extended Cut was your closure.  As for starting a new franchise, sooner or later you're going to have to realize that this game is going to be about opening a whole new chapter of the Mass Effect franchise whether ark theory is correct or not.  Connections back to the previous games and characters will be minimal.

[Heimdall]

It does NOT have to address these things. The genophage can be reimposed or cured independent of Shepard. There might be another Rachni queen floating about in space somewhere. And the Geth could be rebuilt.

 

Or most likely of all, these issues are totally ignored. They were part of the trilogy but that does not make them part of any new game.

Thing is, those things were major galactic history defining choices.  I can't think of a worse thing for Bioware to do than to tell the player "Yeah, your choices didn't mean squat because it all happened anyway" while trying for a fresh start for the franchise.

[chris2365]

Thing is, those things were major galactic history defining choices.  I can't think of a worse thing for Bioware to do than to tell the player "Yeah, your choices didn't mean squat because it all happened anyway" while trying for a fresh start for the franchise.

 

That's particularly true since Bioware has been staying as close as they can to their ''no canon'' rule in the Mass Effect Universe. Barring a few minor elements, they've stayed true to that at least. I don't see why they change their minds now.

[B.Shep]

They will have to if the game takes place in the future. Even if the game takes place 100 or 1000 years after ME3, Control, Synthesis and Destroy change the galaxy in too different ways.

My bet is they will mix elements from the three endings to make a canon path.

[Barrett Rodych]

So all this discussion is cool and all, but is probably worth taking into a different dedicated thread. While ME tweets are more infrequent currently, 'tis why this topic is still stickied. :>

[Drone223]

"A lot of people" would like a lot of things.  Not sure why that matters.  Having to take into account all those other choices (Quarians being extinct or not, Krogan cured of the Genophage or not, etc.) is the other part of the problem.  There's no way they could portray such a diverse set of outcomes satisfactorily unless they deliberately avoided anything related to it and homogenized them, even if you canonize destroy.

 

Leaving the galaxy doesn't destroy it.  Really don't understand this mindset, its like an infant that cries because it doesn't realize that its mother still exists when it can't see her.  The galaxy is still there.  Better yet, its still there and the integrity of all your choices (Even if you did choose refuse) remains.  No forced canon nonsense.  Extended Cut was your closure.  As for starting a new franchise, sooner or later you're going to have to realize that this game is going to be about opening a whole new chapter of the Mass Effect franchise whether ark theory is correct or not.  Connections back to the previous games and characters will be minimal.

The slides only show snippets of the galaxies future, not the entire future of the galaxy since there would be too much to cover. No one said making destroy canon was ideal they only said it was the best approach in regards to the next game. Leaving the galaxy behind means everything that Shepard did to save it is worthless if people can't experience a reaper free galaxy for themselves, why bother saving it when we are just going to leave it forever and never return. A lot of people have stated they wanted to return to places from the trilogy later in future titles in the franchise since next game is about exploration and there will be a massive fan outcry which could be much bigger than the endings if Bioware said fans will never see the milky way ever again.

 

 

When it comes to exploring the uncharted regions of the galaxy the geth or geneophage aren't going to have any relevance. Since the main focus is on exploration of new places rather than the galaxy of the reaper war especially if its a few centuries after the war. Which can help avoid canonizing those aspects they can even have a small side quest depending on the out comes of those choices.

[Drone223]

So all this discussion is cool and all, but is probably worth taking into a different dedicated thread. While ME tweets are more infrequent currently, 'tis why this topic is still stickied. :>

Sorry Barrett, when there is little to talk about its easy to go off-topic, hopefully we'll hear more solid info soon.

[Heimdall]

The slides only show snippets of the galaxies future, not the entire future of the galaxy since there would be too much to cover. No one said making destroy canon was ideal they only said it was the best approach in regards to the next game. Leaving the galaxy behind means everything that Shepard did to save it is worthless if people can't experience a reaper free galaxy for themselves, why bother saving it when we are just going to leave it forever and never return. A lot of people have stated they wanted to return to places from the trilogy later in future titles in the franchise since next game is about exploration and there will be a massive fan outcry which could be much bigger than the endings if Bioware said fans will never see the milky way ever again.

 

 

When it comes to exploring the uncharted regions of the galaxy the geth or geneophage aren't going to have any relevance. Since the main focus is on exploration of new places rather than the galaxy of the reaper war especially if its a few centuries after the war. Which can help avoid canonizing those aspects they can even have a small side quest depending on the out comes of those choices.

What do you want, a detailed historical document including the life of every named character until death?  The idea that everything Shepard did was worthless just because you don't get to have a gratuitous victory tour is ridiculous.  It's not worth any more discussion than that.

[JeffZero]

So all this discussion is cool and all, but is probably worth taking into a different dedicated thread. While ME tweets are more infrequent currently, 'tis why this topic is still stickied. :>

Roger-o, Ser Rodych.

...that has a decent ring to it.

[T-Raks]

Thing is, those things were major galactic history defining choices.  I can't think of a worse thing for Bioware to do than to tell the player "Yeah, your choices didn't mean squat because it all happened anyway" while trying for a fresh start for the franchise.

First of all, this is really the wrong thread to discuss this.

 

But because people are not stopping, here my five cents. In short: you overestimate the influence of one person. Just because your Shepard wished that his decision will have this or that lasting impact doesn't mean that the galactic community sees it the same way.

 

1) The Krogan will still try to find a way to cure the Genophage even if your Shepard didn't choose to help them, so it is realistic to assume that one day or another they will overcome it with the help of some scientists.

2) Siding with the Geth doesn't mean the Quarian go extinct and destroying machines doesn't mean they can't be rebuild. Both shouldn't matter going forward anyways, because all this conflict and its different outcomes means is that these two races won't play major roles in ME next.

3) For the survivors destroy and control are easily the same and whether the same next conflict can also arise after the synthesis ending depends solely on what kind of conflict the writers come up with for ME next.

4) That the same major conflict can arise after different endings is even very likely, because all colored endings have that one important thing in common: that the Reapers are no threat to the galaxy in the immediate future.

5) The ark theory on the other hand is the infantile (to use a word of yours) solution, because it is the one that doesn't want to deal with the endings, but all it does is delaying the day when it has to be done.

 

To get this on topic again: maybe we can finally get a tweet regarding the setting?   That would settle some of our useless discussions...

[Hrungr]

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[B.Shep]

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[Vazgen]

There is only one place I've seen a wall-mounted Avenger at. Morinth's appartment

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[cap and gown]

There is only one place I've seen a wall-mounted Avenger at. Morinth's appartment

 

Really? Its a Revenant for me.

[Vazgen]

Really? Its a Revenant for me.

Ah, I see, sorry about that. My memory is sketchy, been too long since I played ME2. A mistake I'll soon fix

[fyz306903]

 Siding with the Geth doesn't mean the Quarian go extinct 

The scene afterwards in ME3 seems to imply that the Quarians DO go extinct. Judging by how almost all the info from Bioware about ME4 seems to distance it from Shepard's timeline, I now think an 'ark' type story line is much more likely than a direct sequel.