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[Tonymac]

If the cycles were solely about destroying civilizations instead of "impos[ing] order on the chaos of organic evolution", they'd do it earlier than their "apex" and they wouldn't provide technology to further their capabilities. They'd make organic life a non-issue altogether, instead of allowing it to exist and flourish along a predetermined pattern. 

 

They impose order by killing us - the same way Nazis imposed order on pretty much everyone they didn't like.  

 

Every civillization is at its apex until it falls.  The relay network is a trap - it always has been,  We use the technology, but never earned it or learned it.  We merely learned how to use it and apply it in limited cases.  By giving us the tech, we learned and grew along the paths they desired.  That left us weak, because they could terminate our use of the Mass Relay Network that we so vitally relied upon.  

 

That was only one of the Reapers cunning deceptions, which I enjoyed, btw.  They also started the Rachnii wars, enlisted the Heretic Geth and used the Collectors.  In other words, they were not warm fatherly Guardians of organic life.  They are Evil - at least from our point of view. 

[Drone223]

Mac Walters - Creative Director : I never liked Quarians or Krogan. Let's just casually remove them from our IP.

Mac Walters takes over franchise again. Ruins it again.

Except none of what you said in this post is true.

[Tonymac]

I think this is a good attitude to have about any game from any company, in general  

My point about compromise wasn't to suggest we should give the developers a free pass on anything - people can and do give them very forceful feedback, and they've had three years of that feedback now in relation to ME3's ending. In situations where people are dissatisfied with the writing or the story, I think it's totally fair to say you're disappointed (or angry, or upset) with what was in the game. I do think they've well and truly got that message now, even if we're never going to see the results of it in public. Mike Gamble said ages ago that they've since reworked some processes internally, and I suspect EA will focus test future stories to death, but people who are waiting for some kind of mea culpa from the lead writer are being unreasonable. 

 

But at the same time, they're humans and not magical developer wizards. People do well-intentioned but poorly-received things all the time, and sometimes things happen in game development because of technological limits, or budgets, or time constraints, or whatever, and I don't think we should be accusing them of basically tricking players while counting their massive piles of money. 

 

(Because, frankly, calling developers some combination of lazy/greedy/evil is the moment they just totally ignore you.)

 

Someone (a team of people?) earnestly wrote ME3 and expected it to be controversial, maybe mildly polarising. It was an artistic vision for the game that, as it turns out, loads of people had huge issues with. Did BW have good intentions? Sure. Did they totally underestimate how people would react? Almost certainly. It might be considered a mistake - I definitely think it was - and I wish it was something that never happened. But it doesn't mean they set out to deliberately cause you pain and disappointment. Thinking that way leads to nowhere healthy or constructive. 

 

I'm not saying they are evil - but it sure did appear that way to me.  In moving forward, I want reassurances that this jazz isn't going to happen again.  Everyone makes mistakes, and I can roll with that.  However, I think they handled it pretty badly.  If they get these points then something constructive has indeed come out of it all.

[dreamgazer]

They impose order by killing us - the same way Nazis imposed order on pretty much everyone they didn't like.

The Nazis didn't give their targets tools to improve their chances and expand their influence, and plenty of time to learn how to use them.
 

Every civillization is at its apex until it falls.

I disagree, especially when the Reapers have observed countless cycles of organic life achieve more.

Potential and capability are always important.
 

The relay network is a trap - it always has been,  We use the technology, but never earned it or learned it.

The Citadel is a trap. The relay network as a whole is a beneficial means of travel and expansion, despite the Citadel's other purpose.
 

We merely learned how to use it and apply it in limited cases.  By giving us the tech, we learned and grew along the paths they desired.  That left us weak, because they could terminate our use of the Mass Relay Network that we so vitally relied upon.

Why didn't they leave us weaker? Why even give cycles a chance?
 

That was only one of the Reapers cunning deceptions, which I enjoyed, btw.

It's simply a different kind of circular, Bond villain-esque logic.
 

They also started the Rachnii wars, enlisted the Heretic Geth and used the Collectors.  In other words, they were not warm fatherly Guardians of organic life.  They are Evil - at least from our point of view.

There's plenty of space between "warm fatherly guardians" and "evil".

Hell, you can be evil and still service a worthwhile agenda.

[Iakus]

 

The Citadel is a trap. The relay network as a whole is a beneficial means of travel and expansion, despite the Citadel's other purpose.
 

 Shepard: Why would you construct the mass relays and leave them for someone else to find?
Sovereign: Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic life. You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.

 

Civilizations never bother to learn how to travel with anything other than relays.  Don't even bother to study the relays themselves and learn how to build their own.  And of course, never develop down technological paths the Reapers can't predict and easily counter.

 

After all, if the civilizations managed to learn interstellar travel that didn't require the relays, the Citadel wouldn't be much of a trap 

 

 

Why didn't they leave us weaker? Why even give cycles a chance?

 

Until they decided to ignore the Citadel in ME3, they didn't.  But that's another topic 

[dreamgazer]

Shepard: Why would you construct the mass relays and leave them for someone else to find?
Sovereign: Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic life. You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.
 
Civilizations never bother to learn how to travel with anything other than relays.  Don't even bother to study the relays themselves and learn how to build their own.  And of course, never develop down technological paths the Reapers can't predict and easily counter.

This doesn't disprove what I stated: the mass relays are still a functional and beneficial tool that increases the galaxy's chances through expansion and communication, thus making the relays themselves not the trap. There's no reason for them to let civilization even get to the point of using relays, unless they're supposed to let civilizations thrive first.

If they're weeding the galaxy, why give them fertilizer and water first?
 
 

Until they decided to ignore the Citadel in ME3, they didn't.  But that's another topic 

Except things would still be much easier without an elaborate trap that does, indeed, open up more possibilities. Why give civilizations the chance to even develop the tech to research the keepers, build prototype relays, or develop mass accelerator cannons?

[Tonymac]

Some of this is just silly.  The Citadel is and was a trap.  Allowing for 'expansion' through the Mass Relay network means more and more organics rely upon it.  The group of organics that figures out how to use the Relays shows more and more groups how to use them - effectively selling the Reaper trap to everyone with space travel.  They (the Reapers) are not here to enlighten us or be of any benefit at all.  The Reapers are here to kill us.  If we develop too much too fast, they spring the trap.  The Reapers tried to spring the trap on us, but the Protheans messed the signal up; giving us a fighting chance.  After all, thats why they leave one of their own behind to monitor galactic growth.  (Which also seems stupid, considering Starbrat IS the citadel - it already knows who uses what and how far we are developing.)  They are not allowing us time to become a threat, simply to get to a certain level of sophisticaion.  I think that sophistication level is somehow analogous to creating A.I. (based upon ME3).  I find this idea....  disconcerting and basically not very good.  It makes my logic chips overheat with stupidity.  I had always assumed that the Reapers stole the Technology that other civilizations invented as described by Vigil.  He spoke of worlds being picked clean of resources and technology.

 

The Romans built roads - do you know why?  It was to conquer the rest of the world.  If you read your history, even repairing roads in the old days could be seen as an act of war if that road happened to aim at or come close to a neighboring power.  The Reapers use the Relays to travel the galaxy, as their own FTL engines are no where near as good as the Mass Relays.  The relay network is for the Reapers, but they allow us to use their "roads" because they can take those roads away from us any time they choose to.

 

Sovereign's conversation with Shepard explained that the Reapers allowed us to use the Mass Relays because we develop along paths that they chose for us.  In my mind that had always meants that the Reapers had even more advanced technology at their disposal.  Take for instance Reaper barriers and their magnetohydrodynamic cannons.  Since our cycle had picked through the wreckage of Sovereign, we had learned of and created the Thanix cannon.  Our cycle had also developed cyclonic barrier technology.  I had assumed that these would play a much bigger part in ME3 than they did.  We had the Reapers technology to use against them.  Sadly, this was not really part of the equation.

[Andrew Lucas]

I've seen a video that confirms ME(4) is confirmed to take place during Shepard's lifetime.

Is this accurate?

[PCThug]

That was one of the wild takeaways from the Comic Con panel but if I remember right the actual quote didn't indicate one way or the other. A lot of the reports of that panel were big listening comprehension fails.

 

In short, nothing's been confirmed.

[BronzTrooper]

I'm pretty sure that there is a krogan in the video they showed at E3 '14.

 

Possibly, but this early on, pretty much every aspect of ME4 is subject to change.  Definitely happened with DA:I.

 

As for the Raloi, I'm one of those people who believe that they will be in the game as one of the new races.

One of the newest concept arts shows a wateryfall world with houses and a dam up high - this would be quite fitting for Raloi as their homeworld.

 

Hopefully.  The Virtual Aliens seems more likely, imo.

[Hrungr]

Jo Berry ‏@Joanna_Berry

You know you've overdosed on Mass Effect when the word "shepherd" looks bizarrely misspelled even when it's not. *squints at it*

[ElitePinecone]

I have seen (although I can't find it right now) that we'll be having limited contact with the asari. 

 

This has never been mentioned anywhere.

 

If you're going to say stuff like this, post a source.

[goishen]

I wouldn't say that the mass effect relays were a trap necessarily.  What I would deem a tad more of a trap is the salarians uplifting the krogans to fight a war for them.  I would say that the mass effect relays (and thereby the citadel) are left there to make the current civilizations think that the previous civilization built them.  Never knowing that they were left there by the reapers millions (conservatively) of years ago. 

 

It's kind'a like a trap that you don't realize that you're in, kind'a like quicksand.  Once you realize that you're in it, it's too late.  Whereas the krogan effects could be seen almost immediately.

 

Also, I don't really think that's why they harvest us.   Remember what Mordin said, technology isn't a straight line.  Intelligence to overcome a problem.  I think that we are at the apex of our evolution to be harvested, not the apex of our evolution.  I think that the next big stepping stone will be building mass relays.  Think of the industrial revolution times a thousand fold.  The reason for me saying this is because it will give us our sense of adventure back.  It will give us the sense of, "Hey, look at the cool thing that I just made!"  That ties in nicely with BioWare's crafting systems.

 

I really should start making videos of this ****.   lol   

[ElitePinecone]

Michael Gamble ‏@GambleMike 

Anyone know any cosplay folks who do high quality commission work?

[BassStyles]

Michael Gamble ‏@GambleMike
Anyone know any cosplay folks who do high quality commission work?

Maybe he's getting prepared for a stage show to discuss a game on everyone's minds, whilst dressed in some high fashion? Mayhaps some N7 armor hmmmm?

/wild speculation

[Drone223]

Maybe he's getting prepared for a stage show to discuss a game on everyone's minds, whilst dressed in some high fashion? Mayhaps some N7 armor hmmmm?

/wild speculation

I'd prefer he'd show up as Niftu Cal.

 

[Arppis]

I hope they bring AT-Raider shotgun back to the Mass Effect 4.

 

I REALLY like that shotgun. :3

[ElitePinecone]

Maybe he's getting prepared for a stage show to discuss a game on everyone's minds, whilst dressed in some high fashion? Mayhaps some N7 armor hmmmm?

/wild speculation

 

That's what I was thinking  

 

(They'd need someone to custom-make the new armour, I guess)

[Rahmiel]

I hope they bring AT-Raider shotgun back to the Mass Effect 4.

 

I REALLY like that shotgun. :3

 

That's really interesting.  Everyone keeps discussing characters, but I wonder what weapons will make a comeback, or if we'll have all new weapons.  Will there be thermal clips again, or are we headed back to more thermal capacity like in the first game, although balanced like the lancer from ME3 mp or the Prothean particle rifle.

 

So many questions.. so exciting!

[Nitrocuban]

Raider should have been the SF-version of a doublebarreled shotgun with an option to fire both barrels at the same time (like press+hold firebutton with 0.2s delay or so) and 2.5x damage in addition to the the boom-boom version

[TheChosenOne]

That's really interesting.  Everyone keeps discussing characters, but I wonder what weapons will make a comeback, or if we'll have all new weapons.  Will there be thermal clips again, or are we headed back to more thermal capacity like in the first game, although balanced like the lancer from ME3 mp or the Prothean particle rifle.
 
So many questions.. so exciting!

I want a flamethrower.... Why? BECAUSE THEY'RE AWESOME!!

[NM_Che56]

From a trusted industry insider:

[Nitrocuban]

Inb4 ark theory conmfirmed

[ElitePinecone]

Shinobi has been correct before, but as always we should be careful about anything that doesn't come from the developer itself. 

 

It's remarkably easy to sound knowledgeable about something if you're constantly vague.

 

(I specifically remember him predicting an ME Dentist trailer at E3 last year, which obviously didn't happen.)

[Iakus]

Inb4 ark theory conmfirmed

AU semiconfirmed rumor