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#51
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dmay7 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

mechalynx wrote...

You guys aren't really serious, right? Right?

If you are, you'd benefit from (re)watching Alien and Aliens for some much needed education in where most of sci-fi inspiration comes from nowadays.



Definitely This. Lol

Like.....wtf are you people talking about? That's about.the.most backwards statement I heard in.awhile.....

Scott took absolutely nothing from Mass Effect......Mass Effect has every other major sci fi franchise to thank for it's design. Including Ridley Scott's Alien. Which Prometheus is a semi prequal to.....

Quit w.e drug it is that you are doing.....its not working out too well for you.....


^ This.


x2.  There are more than a couple direct Alien references in Mass Effect.

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I feel really really sorry for anyone who makes another sci-fi game in the future because if it has the sci-fi feel, it will obviously be copying Mass Effect.

Bioware THEMSELVES copied almost every fantasy game/book/universe with Dragon Age. The even copied the races themselves! (elves, dwarves). When Star Trek names the Asari and the Krogan as new enemies, then it might be worth saying they've copied something.


It's funny even more because there is an INTERVIEW with the head of ME2 from around 2010 in which he says that they got inspiration from classic sci-fi and Star Trek (especially the new 2009 movie).

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dmay7 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

mechalynx wrote...

You guys aren't really serious, right? Right?

If you are, you'd benefit from (re)watching Alien and Aliens for some much needed education in where most of sci-fi inspiration comes from nowadays.



Definitely This. Lol

Like.....wtf are you people talking about? That's about.the.most backwards statement I heard in.awhile.....

Scott took absolutely nothing from Mass Effect......Mass Effect has every other major sci fi franchise to thank for it's design. Including Ridley Scott's Alien. Which Prometheus is a semi prequal to.....

Quit w.e drug it is that you are doing.....its not working out too well for you.....


^ This.


^ That.

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FWIW the guy is probably very young, whereas the rest of us are very old.

Nothing is ever new under the sun and that includes blindness to history -- educate him, by all means, but why not do it with a friendly approach? :)

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johnxtreeme wrote...

I feel really really sorry for anyone who makes another sci-fi game in the future because if it has the sci-fi feel, it will obviously be copying Mass Effect.

Bioware THEMSELVES copied almost every fantasy game/book/universe with Dragon Age. The even copied the races themselves! (elves, dwarves). When Star Trek names the Asari and the Krogan as new enemies, then it might be worth saying they've copied something.


It's funny even more because there is an INTERVIEW with the head of ME2 from around 2010 in which he says that they got inspiration from classic sci-fi and Star Trek (especially the new 2009 movie).


You only have to have a decent knowledge of classic Sci Fi to spot the dozens of nods, references and homages to pretty much every major Sci Fi work of the last century throughout the Mass Effect series. They took inspiration from virtually EVERYTHING to make this series, yet still managed to create something unique and (relatively) original.

Then they destroyed it all.

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If you think Prometheus visually looks like Mass Effect, check out Idris Elba in the last pic, who does that remind you of?

http://www.411mania....es/news/241688/[Movies]-First-Photos-Released-For-Guillermo-Del-Toro//s-New-Films-Pinocchio-and-Pacific-Rim.htm

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My thoughts on the movie: SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS


Ok... it's apparently a AVP rip off. Yes. Ridley Scott, who made it very clear he did not like AVP, is ripping off Paul W.S. Anderson. I repeat, RIDLEY SCOTT is ripping off PAUL W.S. ANDERSON.

Wayland, a dying old man, is funding an ideal expedition that involves Aliens playing a role in human civilization. Which leads to aliens in a pyramid. 2 types. They fight. And the movie ends with one of them giving birth to a hybrid.

Hell, it even steals the whole 2 guys who don't like each other being trapped together. With both getting killed off by aliens roughly at the same time. Even the "Why bring a gun here?" bit. Except in Paul's movie, the character did the smart thing, and brought the gun anyways "Better have one and not need it, then need it and not have one". Where the character in this movie leaves the gun. Yes, the character in Paul's movie is smarter then the character in Ridley's movie.

I can not believe that Ridley Scott is stealing from Paul W.S. Anderson.

Alright, let's move on from that.

It's a good movie, but by god, does it have huge plot holes.

First of all, the entire beginning is rushed. We are not really given that much time with these characters. We're given a brief setup, and then we're rushing to the finish line. And as soon as things get interesting, the movie is jumping all over the place, but doesn't bother to stop and think. It just keeps going.

Example, 2 engineers were left behind. Why? How did they get left behind? Are you honestly going to tell me they got lost? But the people running for their lives found their way out? What?

And then they die. What happened to them? Sure we found their bodies, but one of them was implanted with something. Did anything come from that?

Nope. (Unless I forgot)

How about the beginning. Some alien is on Earth. A ship that looks like a saucer (which looks nothing like the space jockey ship) flies away. Why did it come and fly away? Who knows. Why did it leave an alien, who drinks a cup, and then starts falling apart? Who knows. Why did that Alien drink the cup and die? Was it trying to create life by commiting suicide? Because I think there's a better way to do that doesn't involve deintegrating in water. Or was our creation just an accident that came from an emo alien that was sick of the galaxy, and commited suicide?

Apparently, after this alien died, somehow bits and pieces of it created human life. And the aliens came back, visited multiple human cultures. We find out these aliens were pointing to a planet, and old civilizations painted it. This planet ends up being a bunker for ships with black goo that evolutions **** into monsters...

Why the hell were these aliens pointing us to this planet?

We then find out they apparently played a part in our creation. But they decided to try and kill us with black goo that turns things into monsters, that also creates monsters...

Why the hell would you use this method to kill us?

What stopped you? Did you guys change your mind again?

Apparently something went wrong, and the aliens died...

And the aliens decided to leave all these working ships with a deadly goo that turns people into monsters, without picking them up, or destroying them...

Why? Who knows.

There's even one still alive. He's been asleep.

So I guess no one tried to rescue him?

Anyways, they apparently wake him up, and he starts killing humans, because apparently he wants to kill humans. Even now. He's pretty much The Thing That Came From Outer Space. He's a big pale humanoid monster that's out to kill us.

So he gets into the pilot seat, revealing that he's the space Jockey from Alien. Or a similar one, since for the sake of lore, this can't be the same ship.

Here's a contradiction from Alien. The Space Jocket was said to have been grown in the chair. One of the character thought it was grown in the chair. Here's the quote: "Looks like it's growing out of the chair".

Now I'd be ok if he was simply wrong, but serious, I'm pretty sure someone can tell the difference between organic and metal, right?

Anyways. It's trying to fly to Earth. Why it didn't do this before? Who knows.

So they try to stop it by ramming their ship into it.

Why the hell doesn't their ship have guns? I mean, they were fully aware they might be running into aliens. That's the whole point of this mission, whether or not anyone believes it.

Now I'll give the movie this. Many Alien movies didn't seem to have ships that fired anything.

But in Aliens they had those drop ships. And they had missiles. Technology just isn't advanced enough?

Speaking of which, this ship is decades more advanced then the stuff in Alien and Aliens. Yet this movie apparently comes first. Like that method to remove the alien from that girl? Bet Ripley wishes she had that in Alien 3. Though I'll give that movie the advantage of that being a prison planet with no working technology. Alien Resurrection? Wow, they really down scaled in the future. Hell, that machine knew how to remove a random alien that wasn't meant to be in there, and did it because some archaeologist told it so. Guess no machines needs a doctor's approval or password when they want to remove a baby. Or a random alien in this case.

But whatever. So they crash the ship, and the Space Jockey ship crashes. The business woman, who's name I can't remember, gets into a life boat, so she can live long enough for the alien ship to crush her anyways...

Let's talk about this character for a second. She's a pointless character that's a very good character. She serve no real purpose in this movie, but she's a really good character. And because of that, she's utterly wasted. Her actress is taking a bare bones role, and giving it her all. And it shows. And it's all for nothing. Why? Because her character dies for not being smart enough to do what the other lead female does before her. Which is role out of the way, instead of running forward. Yes, this character's final moments is dying for not doing the smart thing, which someone else does before her.

Why did she have to die? What did her death accomplish?

Who knows.

So her character apparently exists to be a human who acts like a robotic ****, who seems to randomly disappear from the movie at one point in time. Only to reappear, be pissed at her dad, and then die. That's it.

What an utter waste.

So the lead female lead is still alive, and makes it to the life boat, only to discover Star Beast (yes, the alien in the original Alien script that got scrapped for a better alien is in this movie) is in the Life Boat. The thing that grew in her stomach. Yes, apparently when everyone knew their was an alien growing inside her, they all forgot about it, and ignored the fact that she had a hole in her stomach stapled up. Yes, 4 aliens movies were about an evil corporation that did everything in their power to get their hands on an alien, yet when they got one on the ship, they're like "Whatever. There's a better alien back on that Space Jockey ship outside. Hell, let's not lock her up, or freeze her, like we were planning on doing. Or find out why she has a hole in her stomach. Just forget about it".

So unknown to everyone, this thing has been sitting and growing the entire time.

But wait, The Thing That Came From Outer Space is entering the Life Boat. And he's pissed.

So Leading Female unleashes Star Beast on him, creating a brief AVA fight!

Leading Female then decides to take another Space Jockey, which apparently David can fly. Does she go back to Earth to warn everyone that an alien race is trying to kill them?

Nope. She takes the ship to their world, to ask them why they want to kill humanity. Which I bet they won't answer, and just kill her.

Yeah. That's pretty stupid of you to do, lady.

Speaking of David, not only does this guy figure **** out way faster then he should, but he does things without being order to do so, and apparently keeps changing his mind on who's side he's on. I don't know what the hell he's trying to do, and why he's trying to do it. But if I saw him do all this ****, beyond the stuff he does out of sight, I'd shut him off. I mean, why would I make a robot who won't even listen to the guy in charge? I mean, I know he's taking orders from someone else, but the characters don't know that yet. Not only that, but all these characters are so mean to him. Like what the hell?

But I mean, why is David all of a sudden good at the end after everything he did? Who knows.

What is the point of Wayland being on board, and talking to that thing? Not only is this stolen from AVP, but it just doesn't belong in this movie. It just doesn't. In AVP, Wayland wanted to make a mark in history before he died, and then sacrificed himself to save people. This guy just wants to live forever, by asking an alien if he can live forever, or knows anything about creation and stuff? Man, that guy's mind must've been going. And then that guy dies... ok...

I mean, it just seems like a ****ty subplot that doesn't belong in this movie. It's a waste of time.

And now we have the Queen being born on the life boat. Which honestly, Ridley broke the rule in Alien. Which is don't show the monster. Yet he showed me way too much of that thing. And it looked like a piece of **** looking CGI alien queen. I should've been teased it, and not really get a good look at it. Instead, I've seen way too much of it.

Plothole wise, that thing shouldn't be on this planet. Why? Because this thing can't be on LV-426. There's more then one ship here. There's also a bunker. There's even a human life boat. And none of these ships has a Space Jockey pilot that died in the pilot set. And to be perfectly honest, this Queen shouldn't even be in this movie. Why? Because if to make that thing requires both a Space Jockey and an Alien created from a Human Host (Star Beast), then that means the Space Jockey in Alien 1 needs to be impregnated by Star Beast.

And Star Beast in on a planet with no Space Jockey people.

So apparently, there's going to be another Space Jockey, who's going to come by despite leaving all this **** sitting around all these years, gets impregnated by Star Beast, and flies away and crashes onto LV-426. But before he does that, he finally cleans up the mess left before, because Wayland Yutani never get their hands on the bunker, or any of those ships. And oh yeah, it even does the decency of putting up a warning before it dies on LV-426. Unlike the sleeping Thing That Came From Outer Space in this movie.

Speaking of Yutani, they were teased in a viral vid. Yet they never showed up. Got to save something for the sequel, right?

So yeah, that's Prometheus. Reminds me a lot of the ME3 ending, where someone took over, made up a bunch of mythology, yet made no attempt to stop and think about how everything all fits together. Or how it connected to the past mythology. And what you have is a very inconsistent mess. It also keeps changing it's mind the movie it's trying to tell. An example of this is a scene that should be suspenseful, but the music is telling me "Oh this is wonderful. Isn't this amazing!" It's trying to be like alien, yet it's trying to be something else. And in the end, it's both, but not in a good way. It just feels like a lessor movie then Alien, and also a lessor movie when it comes to Sci-Fi.

The characters demand more development then what they got. But it seems Ridley or the writers cared more about making up mythology, and setting things up, that they completely rush on character development. I'm kind of hoping a Director's Cut might have some extra scenes on these characters. Because they do deserve more then what they got.

But I did like the movie. Yes, I wrote all this negative stuff. But I just can write more about what I don't like then what I did like. I'd give this movie a 7 or a 6.5. Which is sad, because it could've been more.





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Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 juin 2012 - 02:55 .


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On the topic of movies, have any of you guys seen Snow White? Would you recommend seeing it?

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I tought it was average...

2.5 stars out of 5

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Foxhound2121 wrote...

There are fans of xenomorph movies that don't know what Alien and Aliens are? My god, there is no hope for this generation.


I have not seen Alien but Aliens well. classic! Horror and Science Fiction  done well. 

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@excelon: Seen it. It was ok but I felt it was a bit too long, and random at certain parts. Without revealing too many plot details, Snow White meets Jesus as a Stag.

And people seem to be divided over Prometheus, one side saying it's good and another that it's bad.

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Gerza71 wrote...

Foxhound2121 wrote...

There are fans of xenomorph movies that don't know what Alien and Aliens are? My god, there is no hope for this generation.


I have not seen Alien but Aliens well. classic! Horror and Science Fiction  done well. 


That's like watching Empire Strikes Back without first watching A New Hope.  /boggle 

:P

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This thread reminds me of the youngsters that thought Spacemarine and Dawn of War were ripoffs of Halo and Starcraft.

Those little rascals.

It's funny because referencing 40k brings it right back to Alien. Much of the 'Grim Darkness of the Far Future' was probably influenced by the movies, but Tyranids in general and Genestealers in specific are definitely derived from the xenomorphs.

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Movie was near great and a great example of how to expand a sci-fi universe without ruining the original films. Also this story shares a TON of elements with Mass Effect. The whole ambiguity thing was done very well in this movie to make it's audience think. The worst part about the movie was the typical horror movie character behavior of people doing stupid things, but even that doesn't detract from it.

And yes Alien/Aliens is a huge influence on ME. The entirety of the Rachni is based on those films.

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Agh, I've spent the last 20 minutes unsuccessfully Googling for that ancient mock review of The Lord Of The Rings, which positions the reviewer to ignorantly bash "this new fellow called Tolkien", for stealing from "established writers", such as Terry Brooks and Robert Jordan.
Reverse derivative at its best. :)

If someone has a link, please do share it. :)

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I agree, it was an awesome movie. It was really fascinating and the performances (manly Micheal Fassbender of course) were great. I thought they also did a good job making it extremely tense or disturbing in the last half of the movie.
EDIT: Btw, the Mass Effect visual designs are nothing new, they've been there since some of the first Sci Fi films....

Modifié par Baa Baa, 09 juin 2012 - 02:22 .


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ohiocat110 wrote...

 Just saw the movie, and while it was excellent, I just have to say I hope Ridley Scott paid Bioware royalties for stealing the visual design from Mass Effect.


I'm sure that'll happen. Right after BioWare pays Square Enix royalties for stealing the visual design from Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.

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Total Biscuit wrote...
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This is an alternate past to the AvP films, that is now te 'real' past for the Alien franchise, and is effectively writing those two cack fests out of the Alien universe canon. It's possible AvP is still canon for the Predator franchise though.
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Gads, Ridley has finally led us out of the desert of those crappy AVP movies.

BUT, we don't know anything about that black ooze that the Engineer species in Premetheus were using. For all we know the Predator species was seeded by the same Engineers, and the Engineers got the ooze from them once the Predators developed it. Lil' bit of a stretch....

Also, I think the movie stands on it's own, and there will be no sequel.

TMA LIVE wrote...
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Or was our creation just an accident that came from an emo alien that was sick of the galaxy, and commited suicide?
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This would be fantastic.:o

TMA LIVE wrote...
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Nope. She takes the ship to their world, to ask them why they want to kill humanity. Which I bet they won't answer, and just kill her.
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Dude, she took the ship to the Engineer's home planet to kill them. That was my understanding.

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Obadiah wrote...

Dude, she took the ship to the Engineer's home planet to kill them. That was my understanding.


No, she went there to ask them "Why?"

"and more importantly this is why Shaw says what
she says at the end of the movie. Which is, “I’m not going back to Earth
and calling it a day, I need to know a little bit more about what’s
happening here.” "

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 juin 2012 - 03:28 .


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clennon8 wrote...

Movie kinda sucked, actually. Nowhere near as good as Alien or Aliens.


This it was a pretty bad movie, a nonsensical plot, weird pacing, flat and uninteresting characters besides David and Shaw, and the movie is baically just one big setup for a sequel.

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It looked good in 3d and started well, but the last third went beyond the suspension of disbelief. I'd thought I had a fairly thick skin for plot holes since ME3 but Prometheus rabbit punched me with them again...

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SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Movie kinda sucked, actually. Nowhere near as good as Alien or Aliens.


This it was a pretty bad movie, a nonsensical plot, weird pacing, flat and uninteresting characters besides David and Shaw, and the movie is baically just one big setup for a sequel.


Nail on the head.  I don't understand all the fawning over this movie.  It's nowhere near as good as Alien or Aliens.

Also, someone asked about the Snow White movie?  That movie also sucked.

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Hmm, you do realise Bioware took ALOT of insipiration from the Alien series and Blade runner dont you?

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clennon8 wrote...

Nail on the head.  I don't understand all the fawning over this movie.  It's nowhere near as good as Alien or Aliens


It's better than Alien 3 and Alien Ressurection? I mean, I haven't seen it yet. But it has to be. :P

Funkcase wrote...

Hmm, you do realise Bioware took ALOT of insipiration from the Alien series and Blade runner dont you?


Pretty much every sci-fi of today does.
ME also took from Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica (complete with outright abuse of shaky zoomcam in ME3), Final Fantasy: TSW and more.
They'll readily admit this too. For example in the design of the omni-tools and interfaces, they pointed their team to Final Fantasy and said "Do it like that."

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clennon8 wrote...

SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Movie kinda sucked, actually. Nowhere near as good as Alien or Aliens.


This it was a pretty bad movie, a nonsensical plot, weird pacing, flat and uninteresting characters besides David and Shaw, and the movie is baically just one big setup for a sequel.


Nail on the head.  I don't understand all the fawning over this movie.  It's nowhere near as good as Alien or Aliens.

Also, someone asked about the Snow White movie?  That movie also sucked.


Probably because the plot didn't invite much thinking, hence people just ignored the plot holes or didn't realise they was there. It was more of a cinematic experience and that was something i felt Prometheus did well.

Modifié par Prosarian, 09 juin 2012 - 04:17 .