[quote]TMA LIVE wrote...
My thoughts on the movie: SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Ok... it's apparently a AVP rip off. Yes. Ridley Scott, who made it very clear he did not like AVP, is ripping off Paul W.S. Anderson. I repeat, RIDLEY SCOTT is ripping off PAUL W.S. ANDERSON.
Wayland, a dying old man, is funding an ideal expedition that involves Aliens playing a role in human civilization. Which leads to aliens in a pyramid. 2 types. They fight. And the movie ends with one of them giving birth to a hybrid.
Hell, it even steals the whole 2 guys who don't like each other being trapped together. With both getting killed off by aliens roughly at the same time. Even the "Why bring a gun here?" bit. Except in Paul's movie, the character did the smart thing, and brought the gun anyways "Better have one and not need it, then need it and not have one". Where the character in this movie leaves the gun. Yes, the character in Paul's movie is smarter then the character in Ridley's movie.
I can not believe that Ridley Scott is stealing from Paul W.S. Anderson.[/quote]
He's not. Nothing you just menioned was created by Paul W.S. There was no Pyramid in Promethus, the Wayland in AVP wasn't days from death, there aren't 2 types of aliens in Promethus that fight each other as the premise of the movie, the "2 guys being trapped together" is as old as movies itself, the "why bring a gun" part is likewise many decades old, etc. etc.
[quote]Example, 2 engineers were left behind. Why? How did they get left behind? Are you honestly going to tell me they got lost? But the people running for their lives found their way out? What?[/quote]
The one leading them was panicking and got them lost, the others weren't running for their lives in fear, they were running with a sense of urgency.
[quote]And then they die. What happened to them? Sure we found their bodies, but one of them was implanted with something. Did anything come from that?[/quote]
Implanted? A Cobrahugger just decided it liked to look around his insides.
[quote]How about the beginning. Some alien is on Earth. A ship that looks like a saucer (which looks nothing like the space jockey ship) flies away. Why did it come and fly away? Who knows. Why did it leave an alien, who drinks a cup, and then starts falling apart? Who knows. Why did that Alien drink the cup and die? Was it trying to create life by commiting suicide? Because I think there's a better way to do that doesn't involve deintegrating in water. Or was our creation just an accident that came from an emo alien that was sick of the galaxy, and commited suicide?[/quote]
That Engineer is listed in the credits as "Sacrifical Engineer" and the whole point of the sequence is that it drinks the cup and the black liquid rips it apart at a DNA level, and it dies and falls into the river, where we then see the same liquid reconstructing DNA and creating the basis of human life.
As for why the ship looks different, that's because it's a lot older than the other Space Jockey ship by a few thousand years. You might as well be asking why a Aircraft Carrier looks nothing like an Egyptian boat.
[quote]Apparently, after this alien died, somehow bits and pieces of it created human life. And the aliens came back, visited multiple human cultures. We find out these aliens were pointing to a planet, and old civilizations painted it. This planet ends up being a bunker for ships with black goo that evolutions **** into monsters...
Why the hell were these aliens pointing us to this planet?[/quote]
There is a difference between a plot hole and intentionally not spelling everything out. We don't know why they did it, that is one of the key things about horror and sci-fi movies; not everything gets answered.
[quote]We then find out they apparently played a part in our creation. But they decided to try and kill us with black goo that turns things into monsters, that also creates monsters...
Why the hell would you use this method to kill us?[/quote]
What we saw of it is that it killed whatever it infected, then took what was left over and made something new from it. Perhaps they wanted to try again. Perhaps they wanted to test to see what this weapon would do. There are lot of possiblities.
[quote]What stopped you? Did you guys change your mind again?[/quote]
Again, that's not really the point of the movie as to why they changed their minds. To speculate, perhaps the goal was to test this new stuff on a population, but it got loose so they decided to not risk it and just left it and us alone.
[quote]And the aliens decided to leave all these working ships with a deadly goo that turns people into monsters, without picking them up, or destroying them...[/quote]
We saw that they were running out of these ships, presumably because this bio-weapon broke out. So clearly whatever methods they had to contain it didn't work as promised making it too risky to take the ships with them. As for destroying them, they're built under bunkers and honestly why do they need to destroy them?
Again, the point of this movie isn't an in-depth explanation of the Engineer's and their motivations, like how Call of Cthullu wasn't about explaning what Cthullu is or why he was going to destroy everything. It's the mystery that makes the story.
[quote]There's even one still alive. He's been asleep.
So I guess no one tried to rescue him?[/quote]
He was left on a ship that was suffering from an outbreak of a deadly new weapon. Either nobody knew he was there or if they did know assumed he was killed in the outbreak. Either way, no point going back to a hostile environment/
[quote]Anyways, they apparently wake him up, and he starts killing humans, because apparently he wants to kill humans. Even now. He's pretty much The Thing That Came From Outer Space. He's a big pale humanoid monster that's out to kill us.[/quote]
He's like Javik, if Javik was ordered to kill all humans before being put to sleep. All he knows it that they were going to kill humans before the accident happened, he went to sleep and when he woke up a bunch of humans (that they were planning on wiping out) were in his command room.
[quote]So he gets into the pilot seat, revealing that he's the space Jockey from Alien. Or a similar one, since for the sake of lore, this can't be the same ship.[/quote]
Well since Ridley Scott said before release that this isn't the same planet as from Alien, you're correct.
[quote]Here's a contradiction from Alien. The Space Jocket was said to have been grown in the chair. One of the character thought it was grown in the chair. Here's the quote: "Looks like it's growing out of the chair".
Now I'd be ok if he was simply wrong, but serious, I'm pretty sure someone can tell the difference between organic and metal, right?[/quote]
One; that Space Jockey had been dead for long enough to be fosilized, two, the guy who was examining him wasn't an expert by any stretch of the word. Three, the Space Jockey's suit seems to be partially organic/synthetic like.
[quote]Anyways. It's trying to fly to Earth. Why it didn't do this before? Who knows.[/quote]
Um, did you miss the part where we're show the Space Jockeys running in panic away from something that killed quite a lot of them? They didn't do it before because they were busy trying (and failing) to not die.
[quote]Why the hell doesn't their ship have guns? I mean, they were fully aware they might be running into aliens. That's the whole point of this mission, whether or not anyone believes it.
Now I'll give the movie this. Many Alien movies didn't seem to have ships that fired anything.
But in Aliens they had those drop ships. And they had missiles. Technology just isn't advanced enough?[/quote]
At the time the movie was sent in, the only space-fairing ships humanity has are all made by the same corporation, so why the need to give a ship guns? Who are they going to be shooing at? No other ship is going to be attacking them, you're not aiming to shoot at the aliens you're planning to ask the secrets of life, the unniversy and everything to, so it'd just be an unnessicary cost since you'd need to make these guns to fight these hypothetical alien ships that you know are thousands of years more advanced than yours, plus you need to train and hire people to man these weapons, it's just not a good investment.
And Aliens takes place decades after Alien, which takes place long after Promethus. And those dropships were military ones, who would insist on arming their stuff.
[quote]Speaking of which, this ship is decades more advanced then the stuff in Alien and Aliens. Yet this movie apparently comes first. Like that method to remove the alien from that girl? Bet Ripley wishes she had that in Alien 3. Though I'll give that movie the advantage of that being a prison planet with no working technology. Alien Resurrection? Wow, they really down scaled in the future. Hell, that machine knew how to remove a random alien that wasn't meant to be in there, and did it because some archaeologist told it so. Guess no machines needs a doctor's approval or password when they want to remove a baby. Or a random alien in this case.[/quote]
The Promethus was a top-of-the-line exploration ship, the Nostromo was a much cheaper ship aimed to perform essential menial labour.
And the machine was a very expensive model that they only made 12 of, hence why the characters are suprised when it turns out Vickers has one. It doesn't need a doctor's approval because it is the doctor, and it's intended for a man days from death so passwords would be time consuming considering it has the perfect defence method of being on a ship with 17 people onboard surrounded by vast amounts of nobody.
[quote]Let's talk about this character for a second. She's a pointless character that's a very good character. She serve no real purpose in this movie, but she's a really good character. And because of that, she's utterly wasted. Her actress is taking a bare bones role, and giving it her all. And it shows. And it's all for nothing. Why? Because her character dies for not being smart enough to do what the other lead female does before her. Which is role out of the way, instead of running forward. Yes, this character's final moments is dying for not doing the smart thing, which someone else does before her.[/quote]
The point was that she was Weyland's daughter who wasn't happy that Weyland cared more about the substitute for a son in David than he did about her, and how she wouldn't be able to claim ownership of the company if he found his answers. Hence why she doesn't want the team to find what they're looking for and orders them not to make any contact if they find living aliens.
[quote]Why did she have to die? What did her death accomplish?[/quote]
What does anybody's death accomplish?
[quote]So the lead female lead is still alive, and makes it to the life boat, only to discover Star Beast (yes, the alien in the original Alien script that got scrapped for a better alien is in this movie) is in the Life Boat. The thing that grew in her stomach. Yes, apparently when everyone knew their was an alien growing inside her, they all forgot about it, and ignored the fact that she had a hole in her stomach stapled up. Yes, 4 aliens movies were about an evil corporation that did everything in their power to get their hands on an alien, yet when they got one on the ship, they're like "Whatever. There's a better alien back on that Space Jockey ship outside. Hell, let's not lock her up, or freeze her, like we were planning on doing. Or find out why she has a hole in her stomach. Just forget about it".[/quote]
As far as any of them new the star beast was dead, they all knew about it (hence David's "I didn't know you had it in you. *beat* Poor choice of words.") but it wasn't going to answer any quetions. As for not locking her up, why? You have mercenaries wth guns and she's barely keeping herself from doubling over in pain. And Star Beast (which everyone assumes is killed by the med-lab's decontamination feature) is going nowhere, so they can disect it when they get back to Earth.
[quote]Leading Female then decides to take another Space Jockey, which apparently David can fly. Does she go back to Earth to warn everyone that an alien race is trying to kill them?[/quote]
Well they didn't try that hard since they abandoned that planet 2000 years ago and never bothered Earth again.
[quote]Nope. She takes the ship to their world, to ask them why they want to kill humanity. Which I bet they won't answer, and just kill her.[/quote]
Well they never bothered to do it in the 2000 years after their first failed attempt, so who knows?
[quote]Speaking of David, not only does this guy figure **** out way faster then he should, but he does things without being order to do so, and apparently keeps changing his mind on who's side he's on. I don't know what the hell he's trying to do, and why he's trying to do it. But if I saw him do all this ****, beyond the stuff he does out of sight, I'd shut him off. I mean, why would I make a robot who won't even listen to the guy in charge? I mean, I know he's taking orders from someone else, but the characters don't know that yet. Not only that, but all these characters are so mean to him. Like what the hell?[/quote]
He figures it out faster because he's a machine specifically created to figure stuff out faster than a normal person should (in case you missed the part where he made a perfect shot with a basketball one handed without looking while riding a bicycle at a moderate speed). Plus he was brought along specifically to be able to learn the alien language (and we see him undergoing the lessons in his first scene) and he was working for Weyland the whole time to try and find a living Engineer. Nobody else sees him doing anything suspect, everything he does do is all in line with what he's been brought along for. And whenever someone tells him to do something or not do something he immediately follows their instructions.
[quote]But I mean, why is David all of a sudden good at the end after everything he did? Who knows.[/quote]
Good? He didn't care that his father-figure was dead, and he's being nice to the person who A) Doesn't know anything about the things he did behind her back and
is the only person within 30 lightyears who can help him not hang around as a head on the floor of a ship filled with dead people.
[quote]What is the point of Weyland being on board, and talking to that thing? Not only is this stolen from AVP, but it just doesn't belong in this movie. It just doesn't. In AVP, Wayland wanted to make a mark in history before he died, and then sacrificed himself to save people. This guy just wants to live forever, by asking an alien if he can live forever, or knows anything about creation and stuff? Man, that guy's mind must've been going. And then that guy dies... ok...[/quote]
The point was that he didn't want to die, and he was hedging all his bets on the Engineer's, who created human life, having a way to extend it. How the **** is that stolen from AVP where that Weyland just wanted something to be remembered for and was actually in a good enough condition to go with the team unaided, and whose presence is not a secret. The whole point of the scene was to highlight the differences in priorities between Weyland and what he wanted the mission to be for, and Shaw who just wanted to know the answers.
[quote]And now we have the Queen being born on the life boat. Which honestly, Ridley broke the rule in Alien. Which is don't show the monster. Yet he showed me way too much of that thing. And it looked like a piece of **** looking CGI alien queen. I should've been teased it, and not really get a good look at it. Instead, I've seen way too much of it.[/quote]
Err, what areyou talking about? It's not even on screen for thirty seconds, it's kept in bad lighting for most of it and most importantly we only see it in the last 15 seconds of the film. We saw more of the alien in the original movie, so what rule did he break? And YMMV on the CGI.
[quote]Plothole wise, that thing shouldn't be on this planet. Why? Because this thing can't be on LV-426. There's more then one ship here. There's also a bunker. There's even a human life boat. And none of these ships has a Space Jockey pilot that died in the pilot set. And to be perfectly honest, this Queen shouldn't even be in this movie. Why? Because if to make that thing requires both a Space Jockey and an Alien created from a Human Host (Star Beast), then that means the Space Jockey in Alien 1 needs to be impregnated by Star Beast.[/quote]
Yes, it's a different planet (as evidenced by the fact that the planet is called LV-226 or something in that region). That doesn't mean that the alien was only on LV-426, and considering how this xenomorph is clearly not the same type as the one in the original shows it's a precursor.
[quote]So apparently, there's going to be another Space Jockey, who's going to come by despite leaving all this **** sitting around all these years, gets impregnated by Star Beast, and flies away and crashes onto LV-426. But before he does that, he finally cleans up the mess left before, because Wayland Yutani never get their hands on the bunker, or any of those ships. And oh yeah, it even does the decency of putting up a warning before it dies on LV-426. Unlike the sleeping Thing That Came From Outer Space in this movie.[/quote]
You forgot the fact that Humans and Engineers/Space Jockey's are 100% genetically identical in terms of DNA. That means that the star beast can be created from any woman. As for Weyland Yutani never going back to this planet, you missed the part where this was a top secret mission made so the CEO could live forever, to the point where nobody on the ship besides Vicker's and the Scientists (and David) knew what they were actually doing there.
[quote]Speaking of Yutani, they were teased in a viral vid. Yet they never showed up. Got to save something for the sequel, right?[/quote]
Presumably with Weyland finally dead and his daughter and heir crushed, a new CEO took over who was presumably from Yutani before they were bought out and decided to show that they were in charge.
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