Really? I loved her performance. Miss Vickers seemed to be emulating and competing with David to achieve some sort of sterile perfection in order to impress her father. I thought it was just brilliant when she discovers the limits to her ruthlessness because she has to fry Halloway.Captain_Obvious wrote...
It was an okay movie, I really thought Charlize Theron was a wasted character. Nothing impressive about her as the not-captain, really. Meh.
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Modifié par Obadiah, 10 juin 2012 - 08:05 .
then you assume incorrect, Alien is awesome and Aliens is one of my all-time favorite sci-fi flicks. That's why I'm saying it didn't make sense, especially the black goo. black goo seemed to solve anything the plot wanted from it, turns one guy crazy, another guy starts melting down, makes a character pregnant, turns worms on the floor into pseudo-facehuggers, oh and in the start of the movie all it did was make some alien seed life on Earth (that I did think was neat.) Much like in ME3, many things were glossed over with: it's reaper tech. Spoon feed? thanks for the patronizing tone, guess you like the ME3 ending too and everyone else just wanted more 'spoon feeding' eh? dont dodge questions, better to not respond than to duck them. Shaoken's 'answers' are just that though - answers from one viewer's perspective trying to fill in stuff, not the movie explaining anything.If a movie wants me to sit there and solve the movies answers, then I don't see that movie, I'm not here for the movies amusement, it's here for mine.
Modifié par Facemelter91, 10 juin 2012 - 08:10 .
So, let's just take a look at what we know about the black goo.Subject9x wrote...
That's why I'm saying it didn't make sense, especially the black goo. black goo seemed to solve anything the plot wanted from it, turns one guy crazy, another guy starts melting down, makes a character pregnant, turns worms on the floor into pseudo-facehuggers, oh and in the start of the movie all it did was make some alien seed life on Earth (that I did think was neat.)
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Modifié par Obadiah, 10 juin 2012 - 03:12 .
Shaoken wrote...
He's not. Nothing you just menioned was created by Paul W.S. There was no Pyramid in Promethus, the Wayland in AVP wasn't days from death, there aren't 2 types of aliens in Promethus that fight each other as the premise of the movie, the "2 guys being trapped together" is as old as movies itself, the "why bring a gun" part is likewise many decades old, etc. etc.
Shaoken wrote...
The one leading them was panicking and got them lost, the others weren't running for their lives in fear, they were running with a sense of urgency.
Modifié par TMA LIVE, 10 juin 2012 - 02:04 .
ohiocat110 wrote...
Just saw the movie, and while it was excellent, I just have to say I hope Ridley Scott paid Bioware royalties for stealing the visual design from Mass Effect.
And if there's ever a ME movie, Charlize Theron gets my vote for FemShep.
shady501st wrote...
Spoilers
Prometheus wasn't that great to be honest.
While the visual effects and performances by Mr Fassbender and Ms Rapace were great, the story lost itself on multiple occasions.
We had Space Jockeys shown running towards danger..
A terrible half arsed attempt to link it to Alien. (the space jockey in Alien was in the ship on the console when his chest burst open in the original)
A giant squid. Really mr Scott, we're pinning the Alien franchise on a giant squid?? Is this Moby Dick or what?
Black goo
Vickers was crushed
And again a giant squid.
Modifié par NoSpin, 10 juin 2012 - 01:31 .
Obadiah wrote...
So, let's just take a look at what we know about the black goo.Subject9x wrote...
That's why I'm saying it didn't make sense, especially the black goo. black goo seemed to solve anything the plot wanted from it, turns one guy crazy, another guy starts melting down, makes a character pregnant, turns worms on the floor into pseudo-facehuggers, oh and in the start of the movie all it did was make some alien seed life on Earth (that I did think was neat.)
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In the intro, the Engineer drinks something, and it tears him apart. I'm not sure it actually rebuilt his DNA then, or if that was timelapse showing his DNA particles reforming (broken DNA can actually just do that) and them forming cellular ogranisms.
Fast forward several thousands or millions of years to the Prometheus, and I think it is safe to assume that the black goo in the 2000 year old ruins may not be the same was what the Engineer drank (but it might be).
We see the back goo infect Engineers and cause their heads to explode if their neverous system is active.
We see the black goo move of it's own accord when it defrosts at the top of the container similar to the way it did in the cup the Engineer drank from in the intro.
It touched the worms, and later we see snakes. Did it evolve the worms, or destroy them and create something new?
It looked like it got on to Fefield when his helmet broke and changed him into some sort of zombie after he died later.
When Holloway drank a small sample of it, it seemed to be zombifiying him in a way similar to what we saw on the exploding Engineer's head. And he had a worm growing out of his eye. When he had sex with Dr. Shaw, his infected sperm created an embryonic face-hugger within her. It grew at about the same rate as the alien in the Alien movies into a giant face-hugger.
The facehugger was able to implant an alien in the Engineer that when born looked very similar to the creature in the mural carving on the wall of the containment room in the Engineer's space ship. The Engineer's DNA supposedly is very similar to ours, so if that facehugger had gotten a human something similar might have happened then.
What would explain all of this?
I'll give one possible explanation: The Engineers are bio-engineers who use the black goo as a vector for their creations. Millions of years ago on Earth they used it to build organisms in their own image through "normal" evolution. Over time, though, they learned to build organisms using accelerated mutations and evolution. Eventually they decided to destroy their original project on Earth in favor of something new.
The black goo is not simply inert, it is an organism capable of pursuing its designed objective. The goo is also not all powerful. It cannot simply create the intended being by mutating one species into another completely. It can however initiate mutations and accelerated evolution in one species to produce its intended target organism. These mutations are destructive - as David says, "In order to create, it is sometimes necessary to destroy." Since the process is evolutionary, the host is required to reproduce.
The mural behind the human face clearly shows that the intention for their mission to Earth was to create a new alien species similar to the one that eventually tears itself from the Engineer (I'm sure the Engineer found this quite ironic).
Before the Engineers were able to launch, the goo broke containment, and the facility went into lockdown. The infected Engineers there were mutated, but because the environment was sterile, the goo's creations died out, and did not form the target being.
Once the humans arrived and broke the lockdown, the goo set about attempting to fullfill its purpose. It mutated the worms into probes/snakes that would inject embryos, and mutated live humans to reproduce face-huggers. One can assume that since it took preproduction in humans to produce the face hugger, it took reproduction in the worms to produce the snakes that killed Fifield. If the humans died before reproducing, it re-animated them to attack and infect other live humans.
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Modifié par Eluril, 10 juin 2012 - 02:26 .
Optimystic_X wrote...
I like Prometheus simply because it shows yet more ways that AI can be total bastards with ease.
Modifié par eroeru, 10 juin 2012 - 08:51 .
Annie_Dear wrote...
Optimystic_X wrote...
I like Prometheus simply because it shows yet more ways that AI can be total bastards with ease.
Who wouldn't trusta sharkan android that looked like like this:
It's their own fault.
Agreed. I love the mystery. It's almost better left unexplained.Eluril wrote...
For the record, Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof have stated that a sequel to Prometheus will be even less connected the events of Alien than this movie. In other words, they did the BRILLIANT thing and leave nearly everything mysterious in Alien as they were before this movie.
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Very likely. One could assume that Earth was not the only planet that they tried to create these Xenomorphs on. The crashed ship on LV-426 could have been caused by another variant created on another planet that got loose after its creation. This narrative would have the added benefit of completely maintaining the Alien Vs Predator movies.Eluril wrote...
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We now know what the Engineer is, but don't know why they're on LV-426, why the Xenomorphs are there, what happened etc.? My interpretation is that a proto-xenomorph similar to the one at the end of this movie burst out of the Engineer and then evolved NATURALLY on LV-426 to what we see in the movies. So the Xenomorphs are only very indirectly created by the Engineers.
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TMA LIVE wrote...
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Modifié par slimgrin, 13 juin 2012 - 01:39 .
Obadiah wrote...
Found a pretty good website listing answers from the writers and cast for anyone interested.
On that same note, we've seen Lindelof tackle childbirth before specifically women losing the ability to have children or having it bastardized in some way in Lost. Why was it important to weave human pregnancy into Prometheus?
Lindelof: I think hardwired into the original Alien is this idea of fertility. This idea of, for lack of a better way of looking at it, the sperm and the egg need each other to in order to form a new life. And in this gestational construct, the human being is the egg and the sperm is represented (in the original Alien) by a face hugger. And in Prometheus it's represented in a different way. I just feel like the idea of taking these three generations of creators (so the Engineers who created us, then us, and our creation synthetic human beings the robot David). We're going to take those three generations, we're gonna lock them in a room together, we're gonna watch them have sex with each other. And then we're going to see what comes out. That was the experiment that Prometheus was running. And whether it was successful or whether it was a failure, it sure was fun to write.
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Obadiah wrote...
Found a pretty good website listing answers from the writers and cast for anyone interested.
Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 juin 2012 - 02:09 .
I don't really think most of it needed to be explicitly explained. To me, the explanations are either mostly obvious or immaterial but interesting (probably because I was entertained from the initial viewing).TMA LIVE wrote...
Too bad none of those people were in my movie theater to tell me that while watching Prometheus. Maybe the movie shouldn't need them to explain it, and instead the movie explain itself.
Modifié par Obadiah, 16 juin 2012 - 06:20 .
^This.TMA LIVE wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
Found a pretty good website listing answers from the writers and cast for anyone interested.
Too bad none of those people were in my movie theater to tell me that while watching Prometheus. Maybe the movie shouldn't need them to explain it, and instead the movie should explain itself.
Modifié par Isaac Silvers, 16 juin 2012 - 08:14 .
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