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[ZtalkerRM]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Anything more specific about what you'd look for from multiplayer?

First off, thanks for jumping in on an discussion like this!
I feel recent games like Diablo and (more specifically) Guild Wars 1 have proven 'dungeon crawling' is still alive and kicking without player having to pay a montly fee.

What I'd personally like to see is a system like you guys used in The Old Republic, where every player can take a companion with them. That way, you can always have a healer, tank or dps when needed, without having to search for one online. That was, imo, brilliant about your MMO and one of the main reasons it's still very playable on empty servers.

For multiplayer itself, you struck the right tone with me story-wise. How I feel it, the multiplayer missions take part after Shepard visited that planet in single player and you are sent to 'defend' it. You feel like finishing Shep's work, tying single and multiplayer together.

The same could be done for Dragon Age multiplayer. If the protagonist of the single player is (like Hawke) a veteran of the first blight, multiplayer could be about his or her time in the army, almost like a flashback.
You could have us fight at Ostagar together with 4 people using our DA3 protagonist. Missions like that could provide unique loot, achievements, xp that isn't obtainable in the single player. Multiplayer wouldn't be required to reach the 'perfect' ending, but could provide insight into our protagonist his or her past and provide additional challenges.

You could add (or charge for) extra challenges and dungeons, making them increasingly more difficult, pleasing your hardcore fanbase as well. And you could add challanges from DA1 and DA2, but now in multiplayer. The Bone Pit Dragon fight? The Arch Demon fight? Maybe one of the more devilish programmers could create an impossible fight?

Just my 2 cents...

[nightscrawl]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Anything more specific about what you'd look for from multiplayer?

I was really encouraged by the talk at PAX East regarding multi, looking to Baldur's Gate for inspiration and so forth. I don't care about multiplayer in Dragon Age. I have WoW for interacting with people, groups, raiding, etc. In a story game I just want to concern myself with the story.

I don't care that other people want to play with their friends and have fun, as long as it has no influence whatsoever on my single player experience.

ALL story content should be available through the single player campaign. That's it. That's all I care about.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 11 juin 2012 - 01:04 .

[Loc'n'lol]

Something like the co-op "missions" from SWTOR (whatever they're really called... I forgot EDIT: flashpoints) would be great.

Something like Mass Effect 3's "horde mode" coop, eh... it's okay I guess but a little bare bones.

Modifié par _Loc_N_lol_, 11 juin 2012 - 01:12 .

[Cultist]

Yes! Let's add multiplayer to the DA3! Finish this franchise's suffering and kill it once and for all.

[Fault Girl]

I would not want MP in Dragon Age. I was ok with it in ME3 when Bioware said that it would not affect the SP experience, I love playing it but I shouldn't have been forced too.. But then it did. Even if it's a bug, it's one that should have been fixed ASAP (sorry if they are or are going to).

I play RPG's to have the single player experience.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Vault N7 wrote...

I would not want MP in Dragon Age. I was ok with it in ME3 when Bioware said that it would not affect the SP experience, I love playing it but I shouldn't have been forced too.. But then it did. Even if it's a bug, it's one that should have been fixed ASAP (sorry if they are or are going to).

I play RPG's to have the single player experience.

The same here.

[Furtled]

Would prefer the game to be MP free - there's quite literally hundreds of fantasy based MMOs out there that can satisfy the hit things with swords and magic itch.

But if it does happen then making sure it has absolutely no impact on SP, not locking out content or weapons and not pulling a Diablo 3 always online would keep it bearable, hell you could even add the MP maps as optional SP side quests and (going old-school here) allow people to game on LAN if they want.

Oh and no flamin' Origin please!

Modifié par Furtled, 11 juin 2012 - 06:18 .

[Sabriana]

I never had much of a problem with NWN's co-op. It was actually fun to play with friends and family. A toolset would be needed for that, to build persistant worlds. But I doubt that is the company's goal, because it does not really lend itself to milking the consumer.

I do not however, want to ever play with strangers. I come in contact with many people during a single work-day, and I play games to relax and have time for myself. There is no way I'll ever play MP. I tried it, and I hated it with a passion.


It irks me to no end that the ME3 MP ties into the SP. If it is a bug, it should be fixed ASAP, after all Gibbed fixed it in a manner of days. Having to hunt for information about the abomination of making the SP directly connected to MP was another strike against the game. Relevant threads were locked with head-turning frequency, and we ended up having to search for information.

If Bioware goes with the multiplayer in a fantasy setting such as DA, I will watch, wait and see. After the disaster (imo) that is ME3, I'll not be rushing out to buy any Bioware game ever again.If the MP in any way, shape, or form takes away from the SP, I'll simply continue what I have been doing after ME3. I'll keep a close eye on CDPR, InXile, and gog.com. (and a few others).

For some, the RPG market might seem small and a niche. However, Bethesda, CDPR, and the kickstarter successes, it might be wise for publishers to re-evaluate this apparently 'dead' niche.

TL;DR, don't put your MP juice in my SP.

[mousestalker]

The problem with MP in DA is that the trend from DAO to Awakening to DA2 has been fewer quadrupeds rather than more.

Bioware would need to reverse their direction and both implement single as well as multi pony in the same game.

I think it would be great, but several playable equines in a game might very well delay its release longer than their corporate overlords would allow.

[mousestalker]

Visit any stable and you will find plenty of cats.

Modifié par mousestalker, 11 juin 2012 - 07:14 .

[digby69]

I hope not.

[ZombieGerbil]

If there is Multi-Player on DA3.

No buy. Hands down.
The end. Over.

DA is meant to be only SP.
Remember more people wanted Single player. Not Multi-Player.

Don't screw up again by changing something about DA.
Leave DA3 single player.

Know this before I say it.. I love Dragon Age. I love the series and respect what you've done..
If you add Multiplayer to DA3, mark my words;

You WILL lose a lot of fans, money, and many other things among your next mistake by adding Multiplayer.

Bookmark This.

Modifié par ZombieGerbil, 11 juin 2012 - 07:44 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

Wow, I've never seen a mod jump so quickly onto a question from a forum member. Chance of DA 3 getting actual multiplayer has increased.

It's as much a symptom of me already being on the forum and seeing the post when it was made.

I do check out most threads when I have the time to scour the forums.

[Dean_the_Young]

That's oddly suspicious, Allan.

It's like those business conspiracies for scheming money out of people. Ever notice how the solution to a problem is always the last thing they try?

[Allan Schumacher]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

That's oddly suspicious, Allan.

It's like those business conspiracies for scheming money out of people. Ever notice how the solution to a problem is always the last thing they try?

I know!  Why didn't they just do that first!!!

[Brockololly]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
What is the difference if they would imply multiplayer to DA? Imo it's a choise you make; you will use the feature if it's available or you do not. Seems to me that you can do a 'normal' SP campaign and the MP is something that is independant from it. Or am I thinking in the wrong direction here?

Its possible MP wouldn't detract from single player. If they had different teams working on it and so forth. But then again, what about the disk space MP would use up? Would that lead to poorer quality textures and the like?

I just think that adding in something like MP would be seen as another questionable decision for DA. Generally, a good number of people weren't totally happy with DA2. BioWare has to know that MP would be controversial and inflammatory, likely to those same people put off by DA2. If they're genuine about wanting to take into account feedback and so forth, you'd think they would put their best foot forward in making DA3 look like the best possible single player party based RPG before trying to muddy the waters by trying to push something new and controversial like multiplayer or co-op.

Just look at the less than enthusiastic reception Dead Space 3's co-op has received, along with how they're seemingly taking that franchise in a more action-y direction. People are skeptical.

[Das Tentakel]

Brockololly wrote...

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
What is the difference if they would imply multiplayer to DA? Imo it's a choise you make; you will use the feature if it's available or you do not. Seems to me that you can do a 'normal' SP campaign and the MP is something that is independant from it. Or am I thinking in the wrong direction here?

Its possible MP wouldn't detract from single player. If they had different teams working on it and so forth. But then again, what about the disk space MP would use up? Would that lead to poorer quality textures and the like?

I just think that adding in something like MP would be seen as another questionable decision for DA. Generally, a good number of people weren't totally happy with DA2. BioWare has to know that MP would be controversial and inflammatory, likely to those same people put off by DA2. If they're genuine about wanting to take into account feedback and so forth, you'd think they would put their best foot forward in making DA3 look like the best possible single player party based RPG before trying to muddy the waters by trying to push something new and controversial like multiplayer or co-op.

Just look at the less than enthusiastic reception Dead Space 3's co-op has received, along with how they're seemingly taking that franchise in a more action-y direction. People are skeptical.

It's all about how it is implemented and how it affects the single-player experience. If multiplayer means that I get 20% less single-player content, I'll be pissed. If it means that they just add budget to add a multiplayer feature, and it's well-integrated, I won't mind.

Of course, most of us older gamers are by now pretty cynical, and assume that it's going to cost us single-player content, maybe even be part of a general 'action-y dumbing-down package'.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

What is the difference if they would imply multiplayer to DA? Imo it's a choise you make; you will use the feature if it's available or you do not. Seems to me that you can do a 'normal' SP campaign and the MP is something that is independant from it. Or am I thinking in the wrong direction here?

A lot of people are worried because ME3's multiplayer does make a difference in the singleplayer campaign. In fact, it's impossible to get certain ending content without using multiplayer, some iPad/Phone game, or modding the game yourself. Players who do none of those things (like myself) are out of luck. ):

[Dave of Canada]

Wouldn't want to see multiplayer introduced, as somewhere along the line the single-player must be hindered. Be it gameplay, dialogue or narrative.

[The Elder King]

Das Tentakel wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
What is the difference if they would imply multiplayer to DA? Imo it's a choise you make; you will use the feature if it's available or you do not. Seems to me that you can do a 'normal' SP campaign and the MP is something that is independant from it. Or am I thinking in the wrong direction here?

Its possible MP wouldn't detract from single player. If they had different teams working on it and so forth. But then again, what about the disk space MP would use up? Would that lead to poorer quality textures and the like?

I just think that adding in something like MP would be seen as another questionable decision for DA. Generally, a good number of people weren't totally happy with DA2. BioWare has to know that MP would be controversial and inflammatory, likely to those same people put off by DA2. If they're genuine about wanting to take into account feedback and so forth, you'd think they would put their best foot forward in making DA3 look like the best possible single player party based RPG before trying to muddy the waters by trying to push something new and controversial like multiplayer or co-op.

Just look at the less than enthusiastic reception Dead Space 3's co-op has received, along with how they're seemingly taking that franchise in a more action-y direction. People are skeptical.

It's all about how it is implemented and how it affects the single-player experience. If multiplayer means that I get 20% less single-player content, I'll be pissed. If it means that they just add budget to add a multiplayer feature, and it's well-integrated, I won't mind.

It depends. In ME3 it's supposed to be like this (though I don't know if the MP penalized the SP's development), but it's  still needed  to reach a certain type of ending, which is wrong in my opinion, especially because they said when they announced MP that you can achieve every endings without MP (which I don't care much, since the endings are more or less the same for now, but I don't like to be forced to miss something. And I could care after the Extended Cut will come out).
If DA3 will have a MP that will influence the SP in some way, I'll wait after the release to buy it, to see if I can miss something if I'll not play MP (and in this case, I'll not buy). If they're going to add MP (which I'd prefer they don't) at least they should not force the players to play MP to achieve something that you can't achieve with the SP alone.