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[Omega4RelayResident]

Okay my 2 cents... I almost exclusively play Gold... Silvers If I feel like actually not trying or I solo silvers when I log in while waiting for friends to invite me in for Golds

I never use equipment on Silver... and I am pretty stingy with my rockets on Gold.... so I never use them on Silver.

You really cant fault too much to even mediocre players on Firebase Jade. The level is so open it gets to become a challenge after a while. I see Firebase Jade as the antithesis to Firebase White. Geth can give you a run for your money on Jade if you are not carefull... which is surprising in a way... but after the recent Geth buff... its understandable that on an open level with Geth Primes that hit hard and are accurate Geth would give you a run for your money.

Oddly enough fighting the Reapers on Jade is easier than other maps because you can run away with your team from Banshes and lure them all around the level in a very big round and uninterrupted circle.

The maps can make a difference when fighting certain enemies and how.

As far as bad players go... well I guess they felt too good for Bronze... at least they are trying to get better... their first attempt at a Gold should discourage them from comming into the league of pros again if these players are as bad as you say.

There really should be an achievement for getting 10 Waves Survived on Gold. I would love to be rocking that one openly right now its not an easy one even more so since you are not responsible for your teammates having common sense or skill.

[unchained wrath]

meh.
never had too many problems with silver. although morons are everywhere.
the event probably has people going through the phases as well...come monday all will be normal.

[Madara1290]

I played a silver match today and im glad to say that the players were mostly decent all the way through.1 player tried to be the hero running to the other side of the map and getting downed but hey what can you do. Only problem i had was when it came to a kill the target objective with 3 of the targets being rocket troopers it was only me hunting them down.

[Zaroas]

Madara1290 wrote...

I played a silver match today and im glad to say that the players were mostly decent all the way through.1 player tried to be the hero running to the other side of the map and getting downed but hey what can you do. Only problem i had was when it came to a kill the target objective with 3 of the targets being rocket troopers it was only me hunting them down.

This always happens to me when I'm playing Silver, even with other objectives. There's been a time when I was a Salarian Infiltrator playing against the Geth on Silver. On this kind of wave I'd never get to use cloak for killing things because I was either deactivating the devices while my teammates all died by rushing and then running to revive them with cloak. Also happens on the retrieve objectives, even when it's right next to the spawn point.

[Amftron]

dumdum2 wrote...

Amftron wrote...

Everyone i was playing with was fine though, i don't know if people who always play gold just think everyone else is crap....

Did you read the scenario I just posted? Tell me please that those players weren't crap?

It does sound like you got the worst possible team mates.... but in my experience most Silver players are fine.  You can normally guess how they'll perform from their loadouts anyway... like that Human Infiltrator with an Avenger 1  that i played with recently.....

[BeardyMcGoo]

dumdum2 wrote...

Did you read the scenario I just posted? Tell me please that those players weren't crap?

So if I play a gold game, (during an event weekend where you need a gold extraction, mind you) and my teammates are crap, does that mean everyone who plays gold is crap?

[Drussius]

As others have said, I think a large part of this is Bronze-level players stepping into Silver for the challenge. While I am no gold pro, I am pretty comfortable in silver. And yet it took me four games to actually successfully extract from Silver for the challenge, because in the first three consecutive games, it went even worse than the OP's post... Game one went like this, and games two and three were more of the same, with minor variations.

Wave 1: Within 60 seconds, all three players are down in different areas of the map. Two out of three bleed out or are executed before I can reach them. Me and remaining player finish the wave.

Wave 2: Within 60 seconds, once again all three players are spread out and down. This time all three bleed out or are executed before I can reach them.

Wave 3: I resolve to stay with at least one of the other players and keep them in the fight. But no one is hunting down the important targets for the objective, and I am forced to abandon him to complete the objectives. While I am killing targets, all three allies are KOed and executed. I solo the rest of the round.

Waves 4-6: I do my best to keep people in the fight, but despite me repeatedly reviving people and burning ops packs to keep myself from dying in the process, all three are eventually downed and executed. I am forced to solo the second half of each wave.

Wave 7: I am so busy reviving people and trying to keep enemies off of them that I miss the Phantom sneaking up on me and am instakilled mid-revive. The team wipes less than 30 seconds after my death.

The point is, I am not good enough to solo silver. And in all three games, I was more or less soloing the latter half of each wave. Silver games are not normally this hard. I'm always happy to try to help newer players get xp/credits either on Bronze or Silver. But there are far too many people rushing off to the far end of the map and getting killed for it. I am assuming that these are players used to bronze, where you can Rambo everything with very little risk.

[dumdum2]

Amftron wrote...
You can normally guess how they'll perform from their loadouts anyway... like that Human Infiltrator with an Avenger 1 that i played with recently.....

These guys brought both a Krysea and a Reegar to the match, how would you guess their performance seeing those loadouts?

BeardyMcGoo wrote...
So if I play a gold game, (during an event weekend where you need a gold extraction, mind you) and my teammates are crap, does that mean everyone who plays gold is crap?

No, it does not. But most of them are. It's very rare to find a good random player in a lobby on gold, they are even more hard to come by than N7 Ultra rares in Premium Spectre Packs.

I've witnessed my share of crappy players on gold, and since I got tired of constantly soloing later waves on gold I make sure to always have a regular teammate with me these days. If there's at least 2 good players in a team then a match on gold shouldn't be a problem.

Silver is a lot easier than gold. On gold you can actually die from time to time even if you are a very good player. On silver you die if you are a crappy player or if the game glitches for some reason. (don't mean to offend anyone with the term "crappy player", just my own opinion so don't take it personal)

[dumdum2]

Drussius wrote...
The point is, I am not good enough to solo silver. And in all three games, I was more or less soloing the latter half of each wave.

Thing is, when it's time to solo then you should not care about reviving people. If they die constantly and you go for revives constantly, the only thing that will happen is that you all are going to die due to the time spent reviving/dying instead of killing enemies or doing objectives.

If you notice that these players are going to die no matter what, after wave 6 you should just use them as cannon fodder while you keep yourself busy with killing enemies. Learn this valuable lesson and you will be good enough to solo silver!

[AlienSpaceBats]

There's some wonderful people on silver today - the kind where they all drop like flies on wave 2, don't let the Infiltrator (me) do hack objectives, insist on taking the item to LZ then sitting in cover wasting time and ignoring the priority enemy targets. It must be an event weekend!

[Drussius]

dumdum2 wrote...

Drussius wrote...
The point is, I am not good enough to solo silver. And in all three games, I was more or less soloing the latter half of each wave.

Thing is, when it's time to solo then you should not care about reviving people. If they die constantly and you go for revives constantly, the only thing that will happen is that you all are going to die due to the time spent reviving/dying instead of killing enemies or doing objectives.

If you notice that these players are going to die no matter what, after wave 6 you should just use them as cannon fodder while you keep yourself busy with killing enemies. Learn this valuable lesson and you will be good enough to solo silver!

As I said, I like helping newer players. I was trying to keep them in the fight when I could. Believe me, I know better than to kill myself to revive someone. That doesn't help anyone. But like in that first game, I was reviving someone while other players were still up, and I never saw the Phantom until it instakilled me mid-revive. After that, everyone else went down quick.

I guess I prefer being a good teammate and trying to help when I can, rather than letting my allies serve as meatshields so that I can show off when they're dead. Perhaps that DOES make me ill-suited to soloing silver. But if so, then it's a shortcoming I can live with.

[dumdum2]

Drussius wrote...
As I said, I like helping newer players. I was trying to keep them in the fight when I could. Believe me, I know better than to kill myself to revive someone. That doesn't help anyone. But like in that first game, I was reviving someone while other players were still up, and I never saw the Phantom until it instakilled me mid-revive. After that, everyone else went down quick.

I guess I prefer being a good teammate and trying to help when I can, rather than letting my allies serve as meatshields so that I can show off when they're dead. Perhaps that DOES make me ill-suited to soloing silver. But if so, then it's a shortcoming I can live with.

Phantoms can be hard to spot sometimes, that's for sure.

Here's the deal, I can solo silver with all classes regardless of map and enemy without difficulty (gold is harder but I solo that as well). If teammates goes down all the time like in the match I played and like in the one you played, then stop wasting your time reviving them is my advice. They have medigels for a reason, so they should start using them if they die to often. It's not about showing off, it's about completing the match as fast and as easy as possible, and often that includes letting your teammates die if it turns out that they are nothing but a burden.

If I want to solo a match, I choose "private" in the settings, but if I play with 4 teammates then I have no intention of soloing anything. It usually takes 5-6 waves before I go into "solo mode" based on how my teammates are performing, on gold that can be wave 3-4 instead.

[TheSilverBlue]

I'm going to say its because of the event, usually my silver matches are really smooth but last night I had several matches with players dieing constantly and not working as a team.

Modifié par TheSilverBlue, 09 juin 2012 - 01:13 .

[MrFuddyDuddy]

Ah sounds like every RRG I end joining, only thing you missed OP is your team mates rocketing a lone banshee missing and only killing 3 swarmers with it lol

[Ser Reevo Von Bartlesby]

Usually not, but my god I just got out of a random random silver and it may have been the worst team I've ever played with.
I was testing out a Drell Adept build, and ended up dying on Wave 5 (which was the second wave that *I*, the ADEPT, was running around enabling devices on) with no medi-gel and nobody came and revived me.
I then sat and watched an Infiltrator, a Vanguard and a Soldier run around the map trying to kill everything in sight - completely ignorning the objective. They all died countless times, going through probably 15 medi-gels, until 1:00m was left on the clock and one survivor was left.
I turned my mic on and said "Uh, so anyone realize there's an objective that needs to be completed?" and the dude enabled one device, and got killed on his way to the next (with 30s left). Apparently he wasted all of his medi-gel by then.

So if anybody is on PS3 and would like to play Silver and Gold today, please add me and invite or ask to be invited. My info is in my signature.

Adios.

[LoneSpartan08]

Im not elitist or anything but i hate it when they refuse to use medigel or missiles to save themselves, making my job harder because i have to solo the round or carry them. I seem to be the only one willing to use any of that to help the team out. Pretty sick of giving sub standard players a free ride.

[WandererRTF]

I rather try to help the squadmates and even after the game try to give some hopefully useful hints regarding the game. I wouldn't come here to post and complain about it. It is after all team play.

Also earlier today i had 'wonderful' surprise of apparently goldmonger dropping into the same silver lobby i was in. Never had a worse game, sure we got full extraction and all but after seeing just one infiltrator running around & Reegaring/Krysaeing all the things it does not fill me with great wonder that people would quit from such a game. It is not fun, it is not even enjoyable. Instead of gold players going in full rage mode perhaps they could, you known, be team players?

If you can solo silver why don't you? Most likely every one would be better off. You would not be pissed of other players and other players would not be pissed off because of you. Gold-elitists are the last thing needed on silver TBH.

EDIT: Being elitist snob and whining in the forums is not going to help those players who happened to fail in the match you aced. However you could give instructions, and help them, instead just of whining and complaining about them.

Modifié par WandererRTF, 09 juin 2012 - 01:16 .

[Pee Jae]

You think that's bad, I got kicked for outscoring a team on Silver trying to help them get their Commendation Pack. I didn't go down or need reviving once, yet I revived each of them a handful of times and that's the thanks I get? Think I'll just go farm Gold.

[.458]

I've noticed a lot of people are not doing proper triage. Prioritizing targets is important. I'm dying more because I'm doing more rescues, but it is kind of fun in a stupid way. Pretty much all my games are silver these days because I wanted to earn credits for buying things without having to have tons of supplies...silver can be done without rockets, without medi-gel, so on. About all I would use for clips...maybe 1 or 2. Now? I'm using almost all of my medi-gel, ops packs, clips, and rockets. I'm sure glad we don't have to buy our own bullets.

[Elijini]

I enjoy that gold players will accuse everyone of being bronze players in gold during event challenges which take place in gold level, but when the event is in silver, and they drop down....its silver players which are awful, those same bronze players who zerg rush 2-3 slots in their gold matches cant possibly be the issue.

Top hint: this is why lots of the community dislike players who identify as "Gold players"

[dumdum2]

WandererRTF wrote...
I rather try to help the squadmates and even after the game try to give some hopefully useful hints regarding the game. I wouldn't come here to post and complain about it. It is after all team play.

So when playing as a team, does it mean that 3 of your teammates should run to different parts of the map and die there all by themselves? As I said in earlier posts, I don't start "solo mode" until like wave 6 on silver, because that's when I know if this match is going to be played as a team or if it's every man for himself.

WandererRTF wrote...
Also earlier today i had 'wonderful' surprise of apparently goldmonger dropping into the same silver lobby i was in. Never had a worse game, sure we got full extraction and all but after seeing just one infiltrator running around & Reegaring/Krysaeing all the things it does not fill me with great wonder that people would quit from such a game. It is not fun, it is not even enjoyable. Instead of gold players going in full rage mode perhaps they could, you known, be team players?

So you are not happy because players are to good and actually helping you guys complete the match faster and easier?

WandererRTF wrote...
If you can solo silver why don't you? Most likely every one would be better off. You would not be pissed of other players and other players would not be pissed off because of you. Gold-elitists are the last thing needed on silver TBH.

Because I don't always feel like doing a solo match. I said it earlier, that if I want to solo I put the settings to "private", but when I play with a team I have no intention of soloing. That's why I "rage" when I still have to do a solo match because of teammates who constantly gets killed or rage quits.

[Blavak]

It almost sounds like one of my game - but instead of ragequits I had so save there asses whole time (during map I revived them maybe 50 times?) - played as Quarian Male Infiltrator with Krysae - but we luckily get full with whole team.

Modifié par Blavak, 09 juin 2012 - 01:26 .

[neteng101]

Cool story indeed.  I find it rather hillarious how:

• Gold player makes assumptions about Silver players.  Having had Bronze people join in has been fun to this mostly Silver player...  adds variety to the games.  Gold players can't seem to play/have fun with others?
• Bad assumption on those classes - Vorcha and Phoenix are highly skill dependent.  Especially if they decide to use Flamer, Smash, Reegar, etc...  those quick KIAs are no surprise.  QME is hardly a powerhouse either...  the Arc Grenades are their best offense.  And seems like too many grenadiers in that mix.
• Krysae and Reegar are OP?!  Muahahahahaha...  the Reegar is very player dependent, and the Krysae hardly makes a bad player anywhere close to competent.
• Jade/Reapers - oy, was this specifically chosen?  Whomever owned the lobby must have had a death wish anyway unless it was you.  Reapers on Jade are quite the nightmare.  Banshees can be on top of you rather quickly so unless the team can backpedal fast enough and slow them down, they'll be all over the team (and that's assuming the team stuck together).

Thanks for sharing anyway, enjoy your extraction, you can go back to playing Gold...  but its actually quite fun working with weaker teams, and just getting a good laugh at the truly bad ones without much hope.

[dumdum2]

Elijini wrote...

I enjoy that gold players will accuse everyone of being bronze players in gold during event challenges which take place in gold level, but when the event is in silver, and they drop down....its silver players which are awful, those same bronze players who zerg rush 2-3 slots in their gold matches cant possibly be the issue.

Top hint: this is why lots of the community dislike players who identify as "Gold players"

Silver should be easy, like a walk in the park. So when players starts to die on wave 1 I find it quite ridiculous. I don't care if it's bronze players stepping up, gold players stepping down or silver players staying where they are, my thread only asked the question if this is what silver has become nowadays?

Since it was a long time since I played silver I thought it was a legit question, and I did not say anything about bronze players in my post.

[Ramsutin]

Imagine this: Me as QMI, one Vorcha, one AA and that cerberus adept.
I do not look at their loadouts as everyone else is ready.
Wave 1: I notice they all have Mattocks. Even Adepts. Even AA. This is how I know we're ****ed.
Fast forward to Wave 11, I have carried the whole goddamn team through the whole game, the host was so bad the lag was 2 seconds, and in the end the AA doesn't come to the circle but stands beside it. So this is Silver nowadays. Also they wasted missiles in standalone Atlases I was annihilating.