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[Joe Del Toro]

Taboo-XX wrote...

del Toro is just mad because he hasn't beaten my in a lyrics battle yet.

Think you'll find it's your turn next, Punk Floyd

[Jenonax]

*gets popcorn and glow sticks*

Proceed with the battle, boys.

[xsdob]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Am I late?
Did people share their dystopian visions of Synthesis yet?

Very late. 

Unless you're a wizard poised to strike the hammer blow that ends Synthesis once and for all. 

Nope, this battle will continue as long as evil dark speculation magic exsist.

[Ieldra]

You know what gets to me here? That people are so ruthless in their perceived moral superiority that they'd lobby that Bioware should take other players' choices out of the game, ruining their games. I mean...wow...that's really impressive. /sarcasm.

And they wonder why I call them intolerant.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 juin 2012 - 09:00 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

lol synthesis

[The Night Mammoth]

Sauruz wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Am I late?
Did people share their dystopian visions of Synthesis yet?

Very late. 

Unless you're a wizard poised to strike the hammer blow that ends Synthesis once and for all. 

You have to fight magic with magic.
Sadly, Bioware holds all the magic. And they use it for bad.

They're playing with things they don't understand, with power they shouldn't be able to use. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You know what gets to me here? That people are so ruthless in their perceived moral superiority that they'd lobby that Bioware should take other players' choices out of the game, ruining their games. I mean...wow...that's really impressive. /sarcasm.

And they wonder why I call them intolerant.

I would wonder. 

Clearly, that's the opinion of someone who doesn't have a clue whats's going on. 

Who doesn't understand what DLC is. 

[M Hedonist]

The whole Synthesis discussion is based on pipe dreams.
The Catalyst's whole explanation of Synthesis can fit into a single tweet. He doesn't tell you anything about how it works or its consequences. At the moment, it's impossible to make any assumptions on what actually happens in Synthesis.
It's a gamble with the laws of nature. It may be one of the best allegories for playing god in a video game ever. You do something that may advance life but may also doom all life forever.

[Taboo]

My thoughts on life and Synthesis

Some people, they like to go out dancing
And other peoples, they have to work, Just watch me now!
And there's even some evil mothers
Well they're gonna tell you that everything is just dirt
Y'know that, women, never really faint
And that villains always blink their eyes, woo!
And that, y'know, children are the only ones who blush!
And that, life is just to die!
And, everyone who ever had a heart
They wouldn't turn around and break it
And anyone who ever played a part
Oh wouldn't turn around and hate it!

[Taboo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You know what gets to me here? That people are so ruthless in their perceived moral superiority that they'd lobby that Bioware should take other players' choices out of the game, ruining their games. I mean...wow...that's really impressive. /sarcasm.

And they wonder why I call them intolerant.

I'm more than tolerant. I've told you multiple times how much I appreciate what you've done for YOUR version of Synthesis.

But anytime I bring up a reasonable critcism, it all goes to hell.

[AtlasMickey]

I've done much to convince myself that Synthesis is the better choice that I forgotten how reluctant I was to choose it the first time, and only did so because I was found myself unable to choose Control. Destroy was simply out of the question because of the strong relationship I developed with EDI and the Geth. There's no chance I would sacrifice myself to murder my strongest allies, my most helpful squad mate, and the future of the life, as far I'm concerned.

Still I never got the impression that Synthesis removed choice and free will, such as it is that exists. My biggest problem with it was that Shepard had to die doing it. Why, indeed? What is Synthesis really? That made it seem deeply suspicious. If it's a new era of life, then Shepard should be alive to see it.

I just hope they explain more of what Synthesis is in the EC. I can't defend it much further until then. If it relies on vitalism, which it seems to, that sort of guts the meaning for me. Does organic life rely more on dark energy or eezo or some other substance that artificial life lacks that gives it a soul? Or is Mass Effect's conception of the soul one of a greater complexity and sophistication of intelligence?

Calling it rape or molestation must be at least as stupid as my own views on it because neither of us can be sure what it actually is.

[M Hedonist]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

You know what gets to me here? That people are so ruthless in their perceived moral superiority that they'd lobby that Bioware should take other players' choices out of the game, ruining their games. I mean...wow...that's really impressive. /sarcasm.

And they wonder why I call them intolerant.

I'm more than tolerant. I've told you multiple times how much I appreciate what you've done for YOUR version of Synthesis.

But anytime I bring up a reasonable critcism, it all goes to hell.

The power of pipe dreams transcends all criticism.
The only way to stop is to shoot the pipe.

[The Angry One]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You know what gets to me here? That people are so ruthless in their perceived moral superiority that they'd lobby that Bioware should take other players' choices out of the game, ruining their games. I mean...wow...that's really impressive. /sarcasm.

Keep your precious synthesis for all I care. But if you're going to defend it here, you can bet I'll argue against it.
In the end all I want is the option to do what I set out to do. Resist the Reapers.

And they wonder why I call them intolerant.

Hey, the U.S. doesn't let members of the KKK sit in Congress. I guess they're intolerant too.

[Taboo]

Sauruz wrote...

The power of pipe dreams transcends all criticism.
The only way to stop is to shoot the pipe.

LOL.

No but seriously.

The Geth are dead in my playthrough. I'm shooting the pipe and going home.

The fallacious argument that the Star Child presents means nothing to me.

And the Star Gazer scene means we have no issues for at least ten thousand years.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 09 juin 2012 - 09:11 .

[xsdob]

The Angry One wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

You know what gets to me here? That people are so ruthless in their perceived moral superiority that they'd lobby that Bioware should take other players' choices out of the game, ruining their games. I mean...wow...that's really impressive. /sarcasm.

Keep your precious synthesis for all I care. But if you're going to defend it here, you can bet I'll argue against it.
In the end all I want is the option to do what I set out to do. Resist the Reapers.

And they wonder why I call them intolerant.

Hey, the U.S. doesn't let members of the KKK sit in Congress. I guess they're intolerant too.

What about Robert Bryd and David Duke?

Not trying to start something, but those guys were both in the clan and both held seats in goverment.

Modifié par xsdob, 09 juin 2012 - 09:16 .

[aj2070]

The Angry One wrote...

Hey, the U.S. doesn't let members of the KKK sit in Congress. I guess they're intolerant too.

We're kinda funny that way...

[The Angry One]

xsdob wrote...

What about Robert Bryd and David Duke?

Not trying to start something, but those guys were both in the clan and both help seats in goverment.

I'm not American and don't know specifics, I'd just assume they wouldn't be that stupid, and that doing so would not be considered "intolerant".
Also, are they current or former members. I assume former, or...

[Taboo]

We let Tea Party people into politics.

The FAIL.

The FAIL.

[Helios969]

Assuming what we're literally seeing is reality and not a trap, then the problem I and so many others have with synthesis is that you are forcing people to conform without consent. If an individual wants to choose synthesis for themselves, not a problem. When you want to impose synthesis upon the entire galaxy without a clear understanding of the consequences...well, there's just something inherently wrong with that. Reminds me of the old Soviet Union. Equality for all. Prosperity for none.

(But really, it's a trap;)

[The Angry One]

Taboo-XX wrote...

We let Tea Party people into politics.

The FAIL.

The FAIL.

Yeah there is that, but my the general idea behind my post stands.
Let's close this can of worms now before it balloons out of control.

[xsdob]

The Angry One wrote...

xsdob wrote...

What about Robert Bryd and David Duke?

Not trying to start something, but those guys were both in the clan and both help seats in goverment.

I'm not American and don't know specifics, I'd just assume they wouldn't be that stupid, and that doing so would not be considered "intolerant".
Also, are they current or former members. I assume former, or...

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/David_Duke

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Robert_Byrd

[Taboo]

I've been more than supportive of Ieldra. But the moment I inject thought into the process nothing I say is valid.

Like I was told yesterday that because the Catalyst said some "will happen" it overrides the appeal to probability fallacy he presents.

No. It doesn't.

FAIL.

[xsdob]

So...who here's seen big trouble in little china?

[Ieldra]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

You know what gets to me here? That people are so ruthless in their perceived moral superiority that they'd lobby that Bioware should take other players' choices out of the game, ruining their games. I mean...wow...that's really impressive. /sarcasm.

And they wonder why I call them intolerant.

I'm more than tolerant. I've told you multiple times how much I appreciate what you've done for YOUR version of Synthesis.

But anytime I bring up a reasonable critcism, it all goes to hell.

Maybe that's because some of your criticism doesn't look all that reasonable from the other side. For instance your argument about the singularity (let's not get into that) or the nature of the Catalyst. Pure speculation. 

I accept the moral problem with Synthesis. I've tried to deal with it in my scenario, tweaking it in order to minimize its impact. Enough to justify it to myself. And yes, it is a risky choice, a jump into the unknown. I make that choice nonetheless. Others choose Destroy to avoid the risk, and I understand that.

But every other anti-Synthesis argument I've seen is based on false assumptions and/or insufficient data. Just as every single anti-Control argument, btw. All of them are based on insufficient data (no data in many cases), interpretations their opponents don't share, philosophies their opponents dislike (like I dislike "we shouldn't have that power"), or just plain nonsense. People will, of course, disagree about all that, but nobody has a reason to feel superior because of it. It's this insufferable certainty I can't stand.

"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd" -- Voltaire

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 juin 2012 - 09:23 .

[The Night Mammoth]

xsdob wrote...

So...who here's seen big trouble in little china?

Lo Pan should appear in every creative work.