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[Taboo]

No, I'm mocking about how dumb the whole thing is.

It's satire. SATIRE.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Don't take it to heart, Grumpytelescope.

You always know how to cheer me up

[Ageless Face]

Vigilant111 wrote...

*GASP

What? All I said is that organics and synthetics could live without fighting each other.

[The Angry One]

No, it is not.

...

Wait, that's unfair. Let me elaborate.

Hell no.

[Vigilant111]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

*sigh* I'm starting to think I should've just used the thread title and not bothered with the rest.

U can read posts on control/synthesis support threads, should be easy for u to figure out if choosing them is worth it

As to the theme of the game, yes I agree that introducing this new organic/synthetic issue at the last minute is wrong

EDIT: don't make your post sound like u are calling control supporters control freaks, they hate that

I don't need support threads, I'm not asking which is more worth it. I've already reached my conclusions and have outlined them in the OP. Control is the lesser evil, all options are still crap though. Read the last questions in the OP that's the topic of discussion.

oh, next time bold it hahaha

I think in the orginal ending there was only destroy and an option similar to synthesis, control was not included, yes it is potentially more beneficial to have 2 instead of 3, cos u are given limited time to consider, well in our case, to guess the consequences, destroy offers the most solid solution to the reaper threat

[MadCat221]

Synthesis shows that the writers have a fundamental lack of understanding of just what Evolution is.

The only terminus of evolution is extinction. There is no "perfect state" achievable through evolution, only "most optimized to the current habitat conditions".

And on the "All are thematically revolting" theme... Synthesis flies in the face of everyone's espousement of cultural and species heterogeny; it is the very reason why this cycle succeeded and the previous cycle failed: many different mindsets, many different ideas on how to fight the Reapers.  Not all are effective, but some are.  Heterogeny is also a core tenet required to make evolution happen: if everything's homogenous, then a drastic change in the environment wipes out far more life than otherwise.

Modifié par MadCat221, 09 juin 2012 - 05:32 .

[Vigilant111]

HagarIshay wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

*GASP

What? All I said is that organics and synthetics could live without fighting each other.

I think a society will always strive to become a utopia but can never actually reach that stage

[GreyLycanTrope]

Sauruz wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Do you find aspects of Synthesis to be appealing on it own? If so what are they?

You're just inviting people to post their dystopian visions of Synthesis.
Believe me, Synthesis brings the worst out in some people.
People will start saying things like "What has always attracted me to Synthesis was that it could give all these enhancements to everybody for free." (paraphrasing an actual post on the BSN)

There is a different follow up question if you said no, you know, that's kinda what I was leading into. I'm not asking anyone to justifiy their view point on synthesis just wanted to see if there were any valid ideas for keeping it as an options if the scenario I presented occured.

[Ageless Face]

Vigilant111 wrote...


I think a society will always strive to become a utopia but can never actually reach that stage

True, but at least synthetics and organics will not kill each other over the whole creator/created. They will just need to find something else to fight over. Regardless, synthesis can still save many lives.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 09 juin 2012 - 05:36 .

[The Night Mammoth]

HagarIshay wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...


I think a society will always strive to become a utopia but can never actually reach that stage

True, but at least synthetics and organics will not kill each other over the whole creator/created.

They weren't going to before. 

[Taboo]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...


I think a society will always strive to become a utopia but can never actually reach that stage

True, but at least synthetics and organics will not kill each other over the whole creator/created.

They weren't going to before. 

STOP THINKING ABOUT IT. YOU'LL COMPROMISE THE CATALYST'S LOGICAL FALLACY.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Don't feel like going into everything I think about it - not right now, anyway.

Short answer: yes, it empowers organic life in a huge way.

[Taboo]

Ah yes, empowering organic life.

Yes. The political allusions are quite obvious.

BLEUGH.

[Vigilant111]

HagarIshay wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...


I think a society will always strive to become a utopia but can never actually reach that stage

True, but at least synthetics and organics will not kill each other over the whole creator/created. They will just need to find something else to fight over. Regardless, synthesis can still save many lives.

The problem still remains with synthesis: organic/synthetic conflicts are either a non-issue, or it is IMPOSSIBLE to resolve, even with synthesis

Yes, it may save the lives of this cycle, but no more new lives will arrive, no more evolution, races can still reach extinction if organic/organic conflicts get out of hand

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ah yes, empowering organic life.

Yes. The political allusions are quite obvious.

BLEUGH.

Political? It benefits EVERY organic.

[GreyLycanTrope]

HagarIshay wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

*sigh* I'm starting to think I should've just used the thread title and not bothered with the rest.

U can read posts on control/synthesis support threads, should be easy for u to figure out if choosing them is worth it

As to the theme of the game, yes I agree that introducing this new organic/synthetic issue at the last minute is wrong

EDIT: don't make your post sound like u are calling control supporters control freaks, they hate that

Never heard someone calls me a control freak. More like "traitor" or... "indoctrinated". A control freak is a welcomed change.



For OP:
There are the upgrades for both organics and synthetics. That's something. And synthetics and organics could live without anyone rule the other. That's also nice...

Hahahaha somehow I don't find free head WiFi to be worth it. I admit the freedom would be nice, but that's also achieveable through destory.

[The Night Mammoth]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ah yes, empowering organic life.

Yes. The political allusions are quite obvious.

BLEUGH.

Political? It benefits EVERY organic.

Even the single celled organisms. 

Can't wait to have them self-improve and destroy life completely. 

[Taboo]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ah yes, empowering organic life.

Yes. The political allusions are quite obvious.

BLEUGH.

Political? It benefits EVERY organic.

Yes. I've been talking about it with College Professors in New York.

People are VERY aware of the political undertones in Synthesis. Who it benefits doesn't matter. Bioware has some VERY big eyes looking at them right now. I wish they'd pay attention to them when I tell them that.

[Ageless Face]

The Night Mammoth wrote...


They weren't going to before. 

They did it from justified reasons, but the synthetics still rebelled. And organics and synthetics fought each other regardlesss. Synthesis will stop them from fighting about organics/synthetics, Catalyst's logic or not.

[Joe Del Toro]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ah yes, empowering organic life.

Yes. The political allusions are quite obvious.

BLEUGH.

Political? It benefits EVERY organic.

It doesn't benefit me! I don't want it, I don't need it. Sod off with your metal bits, I prefer being squishy and f*cking human.

Modifié par Joe Del Toro, 09 juin 2012 - 05:49 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Taboo-XX wrote...


Yes. I've been talking about it with College Professors in New York.

People are VERY aware of the political undertones in Synthesis. Who it benefits doesn't matter. Bioware has some VERY big eyes looking at them right now. I wish they'd pay attention to them when I tell them that.

Pardon my ignorance but I still don't understand. Though I suspect it has to do with a certain political party whose name is censored on here.

[The Night Mammoth]

HagarIshay wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...


They weren't going to before. 

They did it from justified reasons,

As far as I'm aware, organic life still exists in Mass Effect. 

but the synthetics still rebelled.

Good. 

And organics and synthetics fought each other regardlesss.

So did other organics, and other synthetics. Everyone fought each other for various reasons. Why conflicts between synthetics and organics are more important is beyond me. 

Synthesis will stop them from fighting about organics/synthetics, Catalyst's logic or not.

How?

[Taboo]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Pardon my ignorance but I still don't understand. Though I suspect it has to do with a certain political party whose name is censored on here.

Understand that some very big people are watching Bioware right now. Film executives, college professors. I even talked to one, Gerald Molen when I was in Big Fork.

That praising of bodies? That falls in line with fascistic aesthetics. People are really upset where I come from.

[tyrvas]

off topic but on topic... Synthesis is Green, why do Shepard's eyes go Green when he's looking
at the Prothean images on the screens in Eden Prime?

[General User]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ah yes, empowering organic life.

Yes. The political allusions are quite obvious.

BLEUGH.

Political? It benefits EVERY organic.

Does it?  Benefit organics I mean.

I can certainly see how synthetics would benefit.  After all, we can conceptualize the universe and our place within it in ways they simply cannot fathom.

Compared to that, anything synthetics have to offer seems shallow.