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[teh DRUMPf!!]

Joe Del Toro wrote...


It doesn't benefit me! I don't want it, I don't need it. Sod off with your metal bits, I prefer being squishy and f*cking human.

You're not forced to use what you're given. Don't want it, don't use it. Problem solved.

And there's no "metal" involved, just as there's no flesh on synthetics either.

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ah yes, empowering organic life.

Yes. The political allusions are quite obvious.

BLEUGH.

Political? It benefits EVERY organic.

It benefits all according to the vision of one. That is political.

"There are many paths to the same end. Accepting another's path blinds you to alternatives."

[Taboo]

It doesn't matter. Forcing that change is what is upsetting people. That forced improvement. I cannot stress enough how big the deal is with people.

People are seriously considering the validity of Bioware where I am right now. At least in artistic terms.

[Joe Del Toro]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...


It doesn't benefit me! I don't want it, I don't need it. Sod off with your metal bits, I prefer being squishy and f*cking human.

You're not forced to use what you're given. Don't want it, don't use it. Problem solved.

And there's no "metal" involved, just as there's no flesh on synthetics either.

Hey you're right. Go ahead, tattoo me against my consent. I don't need to use it for anything, but thanks for planting me with it anyway when I didn't want it.

Oh you know what I bloody meant, don't be pedantic.

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

You're not forced to use what you're given. Don't want it, don't use it. Problem solved.

This is the most absurd thing I've ever read from you, and coming from YOU that says a lot.
It's imposed on everyone whether they like it or not. You cannot change someone's very biological nature then expect them to be okay with it!

How about I forcibly install a third arm onto your back. It'll benefit you because I say so.
If you don't like it, nobody's forcing you to use it.

And there's no "metal" involved, just as there's no flesh on synthetics either.

Semantics. Organics become part synthetic, synthetics become part organic.

[D24O]

Taboo-XX wrote...

It doesn't matter. Forcing that change is what is upsetting people. That forced improvement. I cannot stress enough how big the deal is with people.

People are seriously considering the validity of Bioware where I am right now. At least in artistic terms.

>Implying the ending had much validaty as art to begin with.

[Belhawk]

I see no benefit to synergy.
All 3 endings are bad: death by reaper (lose war), death by stagnation (synergy), or death by relay (destroy reapers cause destruction of relays & therefore destruction of surviving civilization: including the Geth).
I had the Geth & Quarians making a tentative peace, with the Geth helping the Quarians adapt to their homeworld.

[The Night Mammoth]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...


It doesn't benefit me! I don't want it, I don't need it. Sod off with your metal bits, I prefer being squishy and f*cking human.

You're not forced to use what you're given. Don't want it, don't use it. Problem solved.

Well that's all conjecture. 

And there's no "metal" involved, just as there's no flesh on synthetics either.

Then I have no idea what those random glowing lines are. 

[Taboo]

You don't understand. Film producers are using this example on how not to do something. Bioware is being used as the Catalyst on how NOT to tell a story. I've been talking with professors, psychologists and movie producers.

They're in deep **** with some VERY powerful people.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Understand that some very big people are watching Bioware right now. Film executives, college professors. I even talked to one, Gerald Molen when I was in Big Fork.

That praising of bodies? That falls in line with fascistic aesthetics. People are really upset where I come from.

Well if it's a claim of "fascism" then sorry, I can hardly take that criticism seriously. It has several levels of ridculousness in my eyes.

If it's being accused of Bioware then that's just lulzy. They have a rather clear bias to the left: including glaring evidence in the "War Assets" terminal involving the krogan.

[Ageless Face]

Greylycantrope wrote...


Hahahaha somehow I don't find free head WiFi to be worth it. I admit the freedom would be nice, but that's also achieveable through destory.

Are you sure? It's free!



I gave examples as why synthesis is worth considering. Wether you think it's worth it or not is up to you.

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Well if it's a claim of "fascism" then
sorry, I can hardly take that criticism seriously. It has several levels
of ridculousness in my eyes.

If it's being accused of Bioware
then that's just lulzy. They have a rather clear bias to the left:
including glaring evidence in the "War Assets" terminal involving the
krogan.

Fascism or not it doesn't change the fact that synthesis is the imposition of one will over all the galaxy.

Also, BioWare has a team of writers. A team. On the other hand, the ending was written pretty much by Mac Walters on his own. Draw your own conclusions.

Modifié par The Angry One, 09 juin 2012 - 06:00 .

[Taboo]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Understand that some very big people are watching Bioware right now. Film executives, college professors. I even talked to one, Gerald Molen when I was in Big Fork.

That praising of bodies? That falls in line with fascistic aesthetics. People are really upset where I come from.

Well if it's a claim of "fascism" then sorry, I can hardly take that criticism seriously. It has several levels of ridculousness in my eyes.

If it's being accused of Bioware then that's just lulzy. They have a rather clear bias to the left: including glaring evidence in the "War Assets" terminal involving the krogan.

It doesn't matter whether you think it does or not. The damage is done where I come from. Once that word escapes it's all over.

That romantic symbolism of the body is what upsets people. That's a key element in Fascist propaganda.

[Ageless Face]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

As far as I'm aware, organic life still exists in Mass Effect. 

 

I know, that doens't change the fact there was a rebellion.

 

 
Good. 

Never said otherwise  

So did other organics, and other synthetics. Everyone fought each other for various reasons. Why conflicts between synthetics and organics are more important is beyond me.  

Because the catalyst decided to pick that problem and to deal with it.

How?

By giving the organics and synthetics the same DNA (I know synthetics don't have DNA, but they can be added ceratin organic emotions or something)

Modifié par HagarIshay, 09 juin 2012 - 06:05 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

hmmm OP questions ignored, mouth foaming, knee jerk reactions...if only I had intended this to be troll thread it would have been a success and not a failure, alas. I think I'm done here. Thanks to everyone who tried at least

[estebanus]

The thing is that synthesis doesn't even solve the problem. If anything, it makes it worse!

How will destroying organic and synthetic life stop the problem? Why wouldn't they continue to wage war? Wouldn't it just result in synthetics rebelling even more, since each and every one of them have organic emotions now? How would it stop us from simply creating synthetic life again? Is it really worthwile to destroy nature and evolution just so that a few mass murderers are pleased with us?

[Taboo]

Synthesis also supports Vitalism, which was very popular amongst proto-fascists. That idea that we can better ourselves by force to be the ultimate life is something that is looked down up where I come from.

[The Angry One]

HagarIshay wrote...

By giving the organics and synthetics the same DNA (I know synthetics don't have DNA, but they can be added ceratin organic emotions or something)

Because having the same DNA has stopped humans from fighting each other right?

[Vigilant111]

The Angry One wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

By giving the organics and synthetics the same DNA (I know synthetics don't have DNA, but they can be added ceratin organic emotions or something)

Because having the same DNA has stopped humans from fighting each other right?

snap!

No, emotions are not coat of paint that u can just add or subtract

Modifié par Vigilant111, 09 juin 2012 - 06:08 .

[Taboo]

The Angry One wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

By giving the organics and synthetics the same DNA (I know synthetics don't have DNA, but they can be added ceratin organic emotions or something)

Because having the same DNA has stopped humans from fighting each other right?

Stop trying to undermine Mac Walters.

He clearly knows how biology and evolution work.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The Angry One wrote...

"There are many paths to the same end. Accepting another's path blinds you to alternatives."

You realize who said this, right?

Legion in ME3: Old Machines have unethical practices, but their processing upgrades have significantly improved our people. We see this change as beautiful. Indicative of life.

Shepard-Commander, I must go to them. I'm sorry, it's the only way.

*Legion disseminates self to give all his people an upgrade*
... sound familiar??

[Ageless Face]

The Angry One wrote...


Because having the same DNA has stopped humans from fighting each other right?

Like I said before, it won't stop the fighting in general. It will stop a very specific war.

Think about racism, for example. How many lives would have been spared if there was no specific color to anyone?

Modifié par HagarIshay, 09 juin 2012 - 06:09 .

[Grimwick]

HagarIshay wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

How?

By giving the organics and synthetics the same DNA (I know synthetics don't have DNA, but they can be added ceratin organic emotions or something)

That right there. That makes NO sense. 

If you know that synthetics have no DNA then why do you even listen to the rubbish the SC is spouting? Why did he say new DNA?
You can't even CHANGE DNA at all! There is no way to change how DNA works/bonds other than replacing phosporous compounds with arsenic compounds...

And how on earth will organic emotions stop conflict? Organics have a good time killing each other with organic emotions as it is.

[Taboo]

HagarIshay wrote...

Think about racism, for example. How many lives would have been spared if there was no specific color to anyone?

Fascism. ****ing Fascism. Dear God.

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

"There are many paths to the same end. Accepting another's path blinds you to alternatives."

You realize who said this, right?

Legion in ME3: Old Machines have unethical practices, but their processing upgrades have significantly improved our people. We see this change as beautiful. Indicative of life.

Shepard-Commander, I must go to them. I'm sorry, it's the only way.

*Legion disseminates self to give all his people an upgrade*
... sound familiar??

Don't play the Legion quote game, you'll lose.

"No two species are identical. All must be judged on their own merits. Treating every species like one's own is racist. Even benign anthropomorphism. The minds of both forms of life can be shaped. Organics require time and effort. With synthetics, replacement of data files is the only requirement."