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[TheClonesLegacy]

No not unless you want the Writers
"Happy Ending"
But instead your creating Freaks on Nature

[Joe Del Toro]

Off-topic: Could someone be kind enough to make a 'Sod off with your metal bits' Anti-Synthesis banner? I would be willing pay in hugs.

[Taboo]

Do you understand that removing skin color is in it's own way racism? It's who people are.

To even suggest such a thing disgusts me beyond belief.

[Vigilant111]

HagarIshay wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


Because having the same DNA has stopped humans from fighting each other right?

Like I said before, it won't stop the fighting in general. It will stop a very specific war.

Think about racism, for example. How many lives would have been spared if there was no specific color to anyone?

??? I appreciate your sentiment but I don't think synthesis is a good way to counter racism

[Taboo]

I'm all for "Be Anti-Fascist, don't support Synthesis."

[The Angry One]

HagarIshay wrote...

Like I said before, it won't stop the fighting in general. It will stop a very specific war.

No, it won't. Having the same DNA won't stop any war. Wars are fought for a variety of reasons and excuses.
Nothing will stop these hybrids from creating pure synthetics anyway.

Think about racism, for example. How many lives would have been spared if there was no specific color to anyone?

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No, you did not just say that.

[Taboo]

^ SEE? SEE?

[Joe Del Toro]

HagarIshay wrote...

Think about racism, for example. How many lives would have been spared if there was no specific color to anyone?

Dead. Can't breathe laughing. Genuinely choking. This is why Synthesis is f*cking mental.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The Angry One wrote...

How about I forcibly install a third arm onto your back. It'll benefit you because I say so.
If you don't like it, nobody's forcing you to use it.

That's not the same.

There's a risk behind choosing synthesis, but it is a calculated one. There are traits that synthetics have exclusive to them, for which reason organics depend on them for certain things. So the idea is that organics will acquire these traits. Talents.

You'll excuse me if I don't buy the "new DNA" thing either. Kinda hard to do when no synthetics have DNA. I see this wording as figurative, metaphorical. Not literal.

So, no. This is not "hurr third arm" kind of change.

And there's no "metal" involved, just as there's no flesh on synthetics either.

Semantics. Organics become part synthetic, synthetics become part organic.

So basically, it was exaggeration. Sorry, I prefer to use educated conjecture and cold hard facts in my arguments.

[Vigilant111]

@HagarIshay: being different is not a problem, the problem is that people won't accept these differences due to the most stupid, petty reasons

Modifié par Vigilant111, 09 juin 2012 - 06:16 .

[Taboo]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Think about racism, for example. How many lives would have been spared if there was no specific color to anyone?

Dead. Can't breathe laughing. Genuinely choking. This is why Synthesis is f*cking mental.

[bleetman]

Synthesis is the only realistic option to preventing the inevitable synethic-organic conflict. After all, we can see how the degree of cybernetic impants employed by the Quarians during their time on the migrant fleet prevented conflict between themselves and the Ge-

...Hang on.

Modifié par bleetman, 09 juin 2012 - 06:17 .

[Ageless Face]

Grimwick wrote...


That right there. That makes NO sense. 

If you know that synthetics have no DNA then why do you even listen to the rubbish the SC is spouting? Why did he say new DNA?
You can't even CHANGE DNA at all! There is no way to change how DNA works/bonds other than replacing phosporous compounds with arsenic compounds...

And how on earth will organic emotions stop conflict? Organics have a good time killing each other with organic emotions as it is.

I have no idea. I don't know how synthesis will work. I only speculate on what it will do. 

Taboo-XX wrote...

Fascism. ****ing Fascism. Dear God.

Wether you like it or not, it will save lives. It's up to you at the end to choose if it's worth it or not.

By your comments, I guess you won't.

[The Angry One]

[quote]HYR 2.0 wrote...

[quote]The Angry One wrote...

How about I forcibly install a third arm onto your back. It'll benefit you because I say so.
If you don't like it, nobody's forcing you to use it.[/quote]

That's not the same.[/quote]

It's exactly the same. I'm imposing something on you that I think will benefit you without your consent.

[quote[There's a risk behind choosing synthesis, but it is a calculated one. There are traits that synthetics have exclusive to them, for which reason organics depend on them for certain things. So the idea is that organics will acquire these traits. Talents.[/quote]

It goes beyond risk. You do not have the right to impose this on every being in the galaxy. Period.

[quote]You'll excuse me if I don't buy the "new DNA" thing either. Kinda hard to do when no synthetics have DNA. I see this wording as figurative, metaphorical. Not literal.

So, no. This is not "hurr third arm" kind of change.[/quote]

I see, so you selectively choose what the Catalyst says as true or not. This isn't dishonest at all.

[quote]So basically, it was exaggeration. Sorry, I prefer to use educated conjecture and cold hard facts in my arguments.
[/quote]

The cold hard fact is that both organics and synthetics are forced to accept foreign components into their bodies. That they may give them new abilities is irrelevant, and why my arm example is apt. They simply may not want this.

[Taboo]

Yeah, and forcing people with genetic disorders to not breed will save lives as well.

It's still WRONG.

[The Angry One]

HagarIshay wrote...

Wether you like it or not, it will save lives. It's up to you at the end to choose if it's worth it or not.

Conjecture.
You have no proof it will save anyone.

[Joe Del Toro]

The Synthesis Motto: Man, If Only We Weren't Different.

[Taboo]

Next you'll tell me it will save people because it will remove homosexuality.

Don't worry though, the amount of new babies will make up for it.

Jesus Christ.

[The Angry One]

Hell let's just ignore the fact that being the same has never saved lives. Why do you think the term "civil war" exists?
People with the same race, the same beliefs and the same culture have gone to war because they want a different leader, or disagree on this and that, or their economy is crap, or whatever.

[xsdob]

OP, you should have learned by now.

This story and discussion section of the forums isn't for discussing things, it's for people agreeing with each other and verbally antagonizing anyone who doesn't.

You'd have to go to the multiplayer or general forums to actually discuss things between multiple sides of an argument and for civil talks.

Even that is unlikley, than again not even the off-topic forums are safe from flame wars of late.

Modifié par xsdob, 09 juin 2012 - 06:29 .

[The Angry One]

xsdob wrote...

OP, you should have learned by now.

This story and discussion section of the forums isn't for discussing things, it's for people agreeing with each other and verbally antagonizing anyone who doesn't.

You'd have to go to the multiplayer or general forums to actually discuss things between the 2 sides.

I see people disagree with each other civily here all the time. When somebody makes really dumb arguments however, I don't see why they shouldn't be called on it.

[dreamgazer]

xsdob wrote...

OP, you should have learned by now.

This story and discussion section of the forums isn't for discussing things, it's for people agreeing with each other and verbally antagonizing anyone who doesn't.

You'd have to go to the multiplayer or general forums to actually discuss things between multiple sides of an argument and for civil talks.

To be fair, there's a pretty big difference. This encroaches on moral beliefs and theoretical science. That's not a light subject to debate. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Taboo-XX wrote...

It doesn't matter whether you think it does or not. The damage is done where I come from. Once that word escapes it's all over.

That romantic symbolism of the body is what upsets people. That's a key element in Fascist propaganda.

Have you followed Mac's tweets ever? His diatribes are pretty clear to me in this game - what he's promoting, and where.

You're free to think whatever you want, but Mac is sure as hell not a right-winger if you ask me.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 09 juin 2012 - 06:25 .

[Ageless Face]

Vigilant111 wrote...

@HagarIshay: being different is not a problem, the problem is that people won't accept these differences due to the most stupid, petty reasons

I know that. But if synthesis wil actually make synthetics and organics have the same DNA, it will be harder for people to find something to pick about. It will still save people.



God, I didn't even PICK synthesis! I just tried to answer the OP what are the benefits of synthesis! What is with everyone jumping on me?!! 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The Angry One wrote...

Don't play the Legion quote game, you'll lose.

"No two species are identical. All must be judged on their own merits. Treating every species like one's own is racist. Even benign anthropomorphism. The minds of both forms of life can be shaped. Organics require time and effort. With synthetics, replacement of data files is the only requirement."

Quote game? I'm not Bill Casey who just mindlessly spews out symbolic references. Quotes kind of have to mean something and be qualified when used. My last year of HS English: say-show-mean. The say-only approach may work with the rest of this site's LCD, but it doesn't work for me.

Organics require time and effort... we jumped into a mass-relay having no clue how it worked, or what it would do. Something not built by us either. Like, the Crucible. All the Reaper tech that we've used/accepted hasn't "blinded" us, it's progressed us. I made a whole thread about that, check my profile ("Control/Synthesis NOT a betrayal). To say otherwise is blind, there is empirical evidence that puts that claim to rest. Hell, Legion himself couldn't even follow that crappy logic.