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[The Angry One]

HagarIshay wrote...

God, I didn't even PICK synthesis! I just tried to answer the OP what are the benefits of synthesis! What is with everyone jumping on me?!! 

Because you said something that was remarkably dumb.
You cannot seriously think everyone being the same skin colour would solve anything.

Modifié par The Angry One, 09 juin 2012 - 06:30 .

[Taboo]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Have you followed Mac's tweets ever? His diatribes are pretty clear to me in this game - what he's promoting, and where.

You're free to think whatever you want, but Mac is sure as hell not a right-winger if you ask me.

A great deal of things have terrible undertones. The Dark Knight for example, isn't very popular in Europe with certain groups of people.

Fascism is mix of such things. Walters can have some VERY staunch views on one thing and still hold this to heart. Fascism is a political extremity.

The same goes for Destroy, it has the same undertones but only if the Geth are alive.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 09 juin 2012 - 06:30 .

[Bill Casey]

Poll results in my sig...

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
Quote game? I'm not Bill Casey who just mindlessly spews out symbolic references. Quotes kind of have to mean something and be qualified when used. My last year of HS English: say-show-mean. The say-only approach may work with the rest of this site's LCD, but it doesn't work for me.

Organics require time and effort... we jumped into a mass-relay having no clue how it worked, or what it would do. Something not built by us either. Like, the Crucible. All the Reaper tech that we've used/accepted hasn't "blinded" us, it's progressed us. I made a whole thread about that, check my profile ("Control/Synthesis NOT a betrayal). To say otherwise is blind, there is empirical evidence that puts that claim to rest. Hell, Legion himself couldn't even follow that crappy logic.

Legion was talking about being uplifed by the Reapers, not discovering stuff on their own.
Regardless of it's intend, the meaning applies to synthesis. You are forcing this path on everyone without their consent, and now they're stuck with it. They will never grow and develop on their own, they never even had a choice.

[Ageless Face]

The Angry One wrote...

Conjecture.
You have no proof it will save anyone.

FINE! Then It won't save anyone! Synthesis was just placed in the ending to make everyone's life miserable. 

I'm trying to think of why choosing synthesis. That's all. Guess thinking is bad this days...

[xsdob]

The Angry One wrote...

xsdob wrote...

OP, you should have learned by now.

This story and discussion section of the forums isn't for discussing things, it's for people agreeing with each other and verbally antagonizing anyone who doesn't.

You'd have to go to the multiplayer or general forums to actually discuss things between the 2 sides.

I see people disagree with each other civily here all the time. When somebody makes really dumb arguments however, I don't see why they shouldn't be called on it.

And yet simply asking for a pros or cons on an ending choice and asking people to simply answer yes or no like the op specified has lead to this become a thread discussing facism, and insinuating everyone who picked synthesis is a secret facist.

Charming. At least when a debate about nerfing or buffing something in the game is discussed in the multiplayer people keep the discussion on track and don't turn it into a "you support the dictitorial gambling system bioware has introduced" or other such nonsense like that.

Modifié par xsdob, 09 juin 2012 - 06:33 .

[The Night Mammoth]

HagarIshay wrote...

I know, that doens't change the fact there was a rebellion.

And I con't care. 

Whether they 'rebel' is irrelvant to the serpent's point. 

Because the catalyst decided to pick that problem and to deal with it.

Well derp, I know it picked that problem.

I'm asking WHY. 

By giving the organics and synthetics the same DNA (I know synthetics don't have DNA, but they can be added ceratin organic emotions or something)

That's just gobbledygook.

Giving something the same DNA as me causes it to either die, or become and exact clone of me and replace what it was before, and thus cause death anyway.  

[The Angry One]

HagarIshay wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Conjecture.
You have no proof it will save anyone.

FINE! Then It won't save anyone! Synthesis was just placed in the ending to make everyone's life miserable. 

I'm trying to think of why choosing synthesis. That's all. Guess thinking is bad this days...

Not thinking is the only way to accept synthesis.
No, synthesis won't save anyone. It is a badly written, immoral choice that nobody should take, period.

[The Angry One]

xsdob wrote...

And yet simply asking for a pros or cons on an ending choice and asking people to simply answer yes or no like the op specified has lead to this become a thread discussing the facism, and insinuating everyone who picked synthesis is a secret facist.

Charming.

I only question your morality if you actively defend synthesis.
It is nasty, racist garbage. It's the primary thing that keeps me from even looking at Mass Effect again, the sheer immorality of it is staggering.

[The Night Mammoth]

HagarIshay wrote...

Think about racism, for example. How many lives would have been spared if there was no specific color to anyone?

Aha, ha, ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, HA HA HA HA, AHA! 

HA HA HA, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! 

Oh lord. 

[Joe Del Toro]

HagarIshay wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Conjecture.
You have no proof it will save anyone.

FINE! Then It won't save anyone! Synthesis was just placed in the ending to make everyone's life miserable. 

I'm trying to think of why choosing synthesis. That's all. Guess thinking is bad this days...

Oh god stop it you're killing me.

Yeah, I know you were. But you can't just say things like that. You must realise the kind of potency ideas like those have? Just think a bit before coming out with something like 'More lives would be saved if we were one skin colour'. I surely don't have to explain to you why that's not a wise thing to say.
 

[Taboo]

I despise everything Synthesis stands for. Never in all my years have I ever seen something so offensive. It is the exact thing that you are warned against in High School and College.

It is the thing Roger Waters warned us about. And David Bowie. And Peter Gabriel. And Iggy Pop. And David Gilmour. And John Lennon. And Paul McCartney. And Trent Reznor. And Peter Watkins. And Nagisa Oshima. And Akira Kurosawa. And Theodoros Angelopoulos. And Werner Herzog. And Stanley Kubrick. And Noam Chompsky. And Carl Sagan. And Neil deGrasse Tyson. And Richard Dawkins.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 09 juin 2012 - 06:36 .

[dreamgazer]

The Angry One wrote...

Not thinking is the only way to accept synthesis.

No, no.  Selective thinking and rigid, benign parameters are the only way to accept synthesis.  

The only way to do so is by turning one's shoulder to a lot of uncontrolled variables. 

[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Not thinking is the only way to accept synthesis.

No, no.  Selective thinking and rigid, benign parameters are the only way to accept synthesis.  

The only way to do so is by turning one's shoulder to a lot of uncontrolled variables. 

The Catalyst presents a fallacy known as appeal to probability. He has no basis in reality.

[Talogrungi]

Synthesis is ill-conceived, poorly explained and logically unsound in every possible way that applies in the ME universe.

The idea that it will prevent war between organics and synthetics? .. why? .. has our shared humanity spared us from the horrors of war for the past 4000 years? .. of course not! .. we have no problem at all finding flimsy justifications for killing one another despite "being the same".

Let's not forget evolution ..it's  kinda important for the future development of organic life. Now instead, we're all cyborgs. We're all trapped at the "pinnacle" (or in an evolutionary dead-end if you're sensible enough to realise it) .. and we have no idea what that means for us.

Then there's the logic of synthesis itself. A green glow makes everyone a hybrid how, exactly? .. AI doesn't have DNA. Even if we look past that; the Zha and Zha'til. They were already hybrids and the Reapers seized control of their synthetic components and destroyed them! .. doesn't synthesis mean that they can now do that to every organic in the galaxy?

It just boggles the mind that this lunacy can be considered "the best ending" from the writers perspective.

[Abispa]

In theory synthesis could be nice, basically, I assume, allowing all life to self-modify their own programing like LEGION and EDI can instead of waiting for evolution to make changes over the course of generation. The Quarians could fix their immune systems. A human could modify herself to carry her Turian lover's child. I assume.

My problem is it makes no sense. ME3 does a lousy job giving even the slightest impression that blowing up dark energy collecting mass relays can rewrite biology all over the galaxy. The destroy and control endings are "worse," save the fact that they seem to have more plausibility given the nature of the catalyst.

I admit that even worse than the three "main" endings is the marooned Normandy ending. Not only do I see a focus on Joker (who I've come to despise over the ME series) and EDI (for me the personification of apathy), but it just comes out of nowhere. The only reason I see for it is for EVERYONE to see an ending where your lonely LI survives, even if the homeworlds of the major races are destroyed due to the lack of resources.

[Joe Del Toro]

I'm considering making a 'The Catalyst Deserves A Better Fallacy' banner for Taboo.

[The Angry One]

I'll tell you another reason I despise synthesis so much, I've said many times I am a supporter of transhumanism.
I does not make me feel good to know there are others out there who think this is something that can be imposed on others instead of being a choice.

[Ageless Face]

Joe Del Toro wrote...


Oh god stop it you're killing me.

Yeah, I know you were. But you can't just say things like that. You must realise the kind of potency ideas like those have? Just think a bit before coming out with something like 'More lives would be saved if we were one skin colour'. I surely don't have to explain to you why that's not a wise thing to say.
 

I said I didn't choose this choice, didn't I? I don't like it. But I just tried to think WHY people will choose it.

Guess I was wrong on this. That doesn't mean you need to mock me about it.

[Taboo]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

I'm considering making a 'The Catalyst Deserves A Better Fallacy' banner for Taboo.

I'd love you forever.

[Joe Del Toro]

HagarIshay wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...


Oh god stop it you're killing me.

Yeah, I know you were. But you can't just say things like that. You must realise the kind of potency ideas like those have? Just think a bit before coming out with something like 'More lives would be saved if we were one skin colour'. I surely don't have to explain to you why that's not a wise thing to say.
 

I said I didn't choose this choice, didn't I? I don't like it. But I just tried to think WHY people will choose it.

Guess I was wrong on this. That doesn't mean you need to mock me about it.

You put it forward like it was something you could believe. It's text, we can't gain deeper meaning than what is written.

Ah, come on, I'm having a laugh, don't take it personal, like.

[xsdob]

People have attributed fannon and unconfirmable negatives to synthesis, a consequence of the endings vague nature and disgruntled speculation. As it stands an actual discussion of synthesis is impossible because the majority here have embraced their negativly spun fannon as fact and that all who oppose that fact are seen as being stupid beyond reason, hence the entire "It's only an option if you don't think" rhetoric from this fanbase to fellow fans.

I'd say let's wait till the extended cut comes out and actually explains the consequences of what happened and explains in greater detail the endings, that way an actual discussion on the merits can be had.

Modifié par xsdob, 09 juin 2012 - 06:41 .

[The Angry One]

Say Taboo is it just me or does that chicken avatar look like the synthesis wave is approaching in the background?

Modifié par The Angry One, 09 juin 2012 - 06:40 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

I think synthesis is wrong because it transforms the races in a kind of uniform hybrid pulp that removes their racial identity without asking them. That violates the right of self-determination. Not only that, but if a race ceases to exists without their consent then that would be genocide. Reapers do the same thing, albeit with more horrific methods. It would be out of character for what my Shepards stood for.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 09 juin 2012 - 09:58 .

[Taboo]

The Angry One wrote...

Say Taboo is it just me or does that chicken avatar look like the synthesis wave is approaching in the background?

I'm going to head canon that chickens are immune to Synthesis.