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[Bill Casey]

The Angry One wrote...

I'll tell you another reason I despise synthesis so much, I've said many times I am a supporter of transhumanism.
It does not make me feel good to know there are others out there who think this is something that can be imposed on others instead of being a choice.

It's especially funny because we've been fighting the forcible combination of organic and synthetic life for three games now. Then Shepard strikes a deal with the masters of mental manipulation and jumps into a laser beam at the last minute that purportedly forcibly combines organic and synthetic life...

It's like that silent hill 2 ending...
You know the one...

Silent Hill - Dog Ending

Modifié par Bill Casey, 09 juin 2012 - 06:56 .

[Vigilant111]

@Ieldra2: synthesis is the backward-looking option as it goes back to past where reapers ascend organics, except now they say it's done differently

[Epic777]

xsdob wrote...

This thread has pretty much gone off the rails into a "why synthesis and it's supporters sucks" thread, so how about some new leaked info from reddit. This is from the guy who leaked the rebellion and resurgence dlc's, so he has a better track record than the 4-chan sources.

http://www.reddit.co...to_believe_me/

Synthesis, the impending technological singularity is a hard sell for many players. Bioware spends most of ME2 and ME3 building the Geth to be a sympathetic machine race who can with Shepards help reconnect with their creators. Another example is EDI and Joker.

[Ieldra]

@Vigilant111:
Yeah, yeah, the old "it's what the Reapers want" nonsense. Watch Joker and EDI. I'm beginning to lose patience with the idiots who insist on that interpretation.

Edit:
I get that the whole problem is a hard sell. It is the same for me and I expect a better exposition in the EC. But that's no reason to descend on Synthesis supporters like vultures eager for a kill. The names I've been called over this..... It's disillusioning about human nature, I can tell you that. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 juin 2012 - 07:14 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The Angry One wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

With certain death as an alternative?

Okay. So hypothetically I'll forcibly attach a third arm to your back or I'll kill you.
You prefer the analogy this way? Alright...

More like "or someone else will kill you."

Criminy cripes, it's an interpretation. I'm not ignoring anything, just making sense of it. In a literal sense, it is a combined DNA between organics and synthetics. Only, that doesn't work. There is no DNA of synthetics. Therefore, it's probably not a literal DNA change.

... why do I even bother?

The logical interpretation is the Catalyst is full of it.
The Catalyst is stating "new DNA", not me. The Catalyst is asking you to take everything it says at face value.
If you do not believe that, why do you believe the rest?

No it isn't. The only interpretation that supports him being full of it are rooted in pathos arguments, no logic. It's literally nothing more than "oooh, he's with the enemy." That line of thinking works great for Wreav with Mordin, and the VS with Shepard, and pretty much everyone against the geth. But it doesn't work for me.

I can give you 5 reasons why I do not believe the Catalyst is lying. But that's another discussion for another time. Also, I can show how phony everybody is for not believing him, and believing someone else almost universally. But again, somewhere else.

Let me reiterate: I believe "new DNA." Figuratively. Metaphoircally. Not literally.

There are no facts on this, aside from the glowing green. EDI, on the other hand, has no flesh.

So what are you saying? There was no change? The Catalyst was lying?
This being the case, why not pick control? It'll be virtually the same only the Reapers won't get off scott free.

I'm sure there's a change, just not as drastic as anti-Synthesis camp wants to make it out to be.

[The Angry One]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Vigilant111:
Yeah, yeah, the old "it's what the Reapers want" nonsense. Watch Joker and EDI. I'm beginning to lose patience with the idiots who insist on that interpretation.

You're also showing your true colours, synthesis lover.

It is what the Reapers want. The end. So Joker and EDI are happy. Joker and freaking EDI do not represent the trillions of beings in the galaxy.
Regardless of their current state of mind, synthesis achieves the ultimate goal of the Reapers. The Reapers win in body and in spirit, and all life now exists in their image, because after all, diversity is wrong.

[Wulfram]

The problem with Synthesis is that it's gibberish. If it was merely morally offensive, that wouldn't be a huge problem, since I'd just pick something else.

[xsdob]

The Angry One wrote..

You're also showing your true colours, synthesis lover.

So we've resorted to mycartheyism have we?

Modifié par xsdob, 09 juin 2012 - 07:15 .

[Ieldra]

@The Angry One:
My true colors? You don't know me. I'm losing patience, especially with the likes of you, who insist to trample any positive interpretation into the dust. As if destroying the buildings others build is the most satisfying thing in the world. Contemptible.

@Everyone else:
Sorry for the rant, but some people just deserve it. There's such a thing as being pushed too hard.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 juin 2012 - 07:19 .

[ediskrad327]

no, i'm sure the galaxy doesn't want to be forced to become a bunch of paste-eating-eye-glowing freaks freaks, and i'm sure ecosystems don't want to be destroyed around the Galaxy

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

More like "or someone else will kill you."

The Catalyst wants synthesis. Shepard is merely the tool that achieves it.
The Catalyst is the one killing people. So no, the same one that is forcing this on you is the one threatening to kill you for being what you are.

No it isn't. The only interpretation that supports him being full of it are rooted in pathos arguments, no logic. It's literally nothing more than "oooh, he's with the enemy." That line of thinking works great for Wreav with Mordin, and the VS with Shepard, and pretty much everyone against the geth. But it doesn't work for me.

It controls the Reapers. It is not "with" the enemy. IT IS THE ENEMY.

I can give you 5 reasons why I do not believe the Catalyst is lying. But that's another discussion for another time. Also, I can show how phony everybody is for not believing him, and believing someone else almost universally. But again, somewhere else.

Your argument is ridiculous. You constantly say what the Catalyst says is wrong, but then say it's not a liar.
If it is being truthful yet constantly wrong, then it is an idiot. Why do you trust the word of an idiot?

Let me reiterate: I believe "new DNA." Figuratively. Metaphoircally. Not literally.

You choose to believe and cover your ears to the truth, because otherwise you'd have to acknowledge that the Catalyst is untrustworthy.
The Catalyst is not speaking metaphorically at any other time, why would it suddenly do so now?

I'm sure there's a change, just not as drastic as anti-Synthesis camp wants to make it out to be.

No no no the clear physical changes, the usage of a cyborg as a template for this transformation, the "new DNA" and all that, let's just ignore all of it.
I mean obviously the glowing eyes are there just to look cool.

[The Angry One]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@The Angry One:
My true colors? You don't know me. I'm losing patience, especially with the likes of you, who insist to trample any positive interpretation into the dust. As if destroying the buildings others build is the most satisfying thing in the world.

I've seen your posts here long enough to see your false platitudes fall through and you begin to resort to outright insults because nobody buys your sugar-coating of a wretched ideal.

I find YOU contemptable for constantly endorsing this racist and oppressive philosophy.
Don't presume to talk to me unless you have something of substance to add, Saren.

Modifié par The Angry One, 09 juin 2012 - 07:19 .

[The Angry One]

xsdob wrote...

The Angry One wrote..

You're also showing your true colours, synthesis lover.

So we've resorted to mycartheyism have we?

No, I've resorted to looking down upon people who think it's okay to call those who disagree with them idiots while touting a philosophy that'd make the ****s blush.

[xsdob]

The Angry One wrote...

xsdob wrote...

The Angry One wrote..

You're also showing your true colours, synthesis lover.

So we've resorted to mycartheyism have we?

No, I've resorted to looking down upon people who think it's okay to call those who disagree with them idiots while touting a philosophy that'd make the ****s blush.

Odd, since most of the people here simply saying "synthesis sucks" and giving no other reasons are doing the same thing, you don't seem to call them out on that front. The national sociolist party of germany stood for destroying others who weren't like them, destory advocates destroying all synthetic life for being different.

Your philosophy is the same outcome achieved through different means, and you act more high and mighty than most anyone else on the destroy camps side.

[Fixers0]

To All Synthesis fanboys/girls:

Explain to me why i should/want to take Synthesis over Destroy.

[Taboo]

I actually did create my preferred choice outcome in an ending thread Ieldra and dedicated it TO YOU.

But that went well so I didn't raise any complaints.

[The Angry One]

xsdob wrote...


Odd, since most of the people here simply saying "synthesis sucks" and giving no other reasons are doing the same thing, you don't seem to call them out on that front. The national sociolist party of germany stood for destroying others who weren't like them, destory advocates destroying all synthetic life for being different.

Your philosophy is the same outcome achieved through different means, and you act more high and mighty than most anyone else on the destroy camps side.

a) How many times do I have to repeat that I am not a destroy supporter? All endings are abominable.

 Even so, destroy does not advocate the death of all synthetics, merely that the Geth are being held hostage over it and Shepard is too damn stupid to argue this point or find another way.

c) If the ****s had a magic machine that would turn all humanity into their ideal master race, you can bet they'd use it without hesitation.

Modifié par The Angry One, 09 juin 2012 - 07:28 .

[xsdob]

The Angry One wrote...

xsdob wrote...


Odd, since most of the people here simply saying "synthesis sucks" and giving no other reasons are doing the same thing, you don't seem to call them out on that front. The national sociolist party of germany stood for destroying others who weren't like them, destory advocates destroying all synthetic life for being different.

Your philosophy is the same outcome achieved through different means, and you act more high and mighty than most anyone else on the destroy camps side.

a) How many times do I have to repeat that I am not a destroy supporter? All endings are abominable.

 Even so, destroy does not advocate the death of all synthetics, merely that the Geth are being held hostage over it and Shepard is too damn stupid to argue this point or find another way.

c) If the ****s had a magic machine that would turn all humanity into their ideal master race, you can bet they'd use it without hesitation.

If you don;t support or have a bias towards destroy why do you only antagonize those who don't pick destroy and leave all the raging pro destroy people to make wild and offensive accusations alone?

[Taboo]

I have stated my reason for my choice. Even some Synthesis people have backed off. But I'm MORE than willing to debate why I choose Destroy with those who would like to.

[Bill Casey]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Watch Joker and EDI.

That ain't Joker and EDI...

[General User]

When asking if any particular ending is desirable, the most important question to ask yourself is: "will this eliminate the Reaper threat?" Next to that, all else is details.

In Synthesis the Reapers being let go, presumably on their own recognizance, does not in fact eliminate the threat they pose. Especially to a galaxy as devastated as the Milky Way.

So Synthesis is not at all desirable. In fact it's absolutely irresponsible.

[Ieldra]

Fixers0 wrote...
To All Synthesis fanboys/girls:

Explain to me why i should/want to take Synthesis over Destroy.

I am not telling you what you should prefer. If you're interested in why some people prefer Synthesis, read this thread, among others. You may not agree, but I request that people respect those reasons instead of insisting that we should judge Synthesis based on *their* interpretation.

[The Angry One]

xsdob wrote...

If you don;t support or have a bias towards destroy why do you only antagonize those who don't pick destroy and leave all the raging pro destroy people to make wild and offensive accusations alone?

I don't antagonise anyone who doesn't do so to me first.
If you call stating the truth of the horrible implications behind synthesis antagonistic that's your problem.

I have issues with all endings, specifically the hostage taking of destroy, the lack of proper foreshadowing or justification for control and absolutely everything with synthesis. The worst, most offensive ending to any videogame I've played ever.

[Reorte]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

More like "or someone else will kill you."

No, it's "or there's a chance that someone might kill you descendents at some completely impossible to determine time in the next few billion years."

[The Angry One]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I am not telling you what you should prefer. If you're interested in why some people prefer Synthesis, read this thread, among others. You may not agree, but I request that people respect those reasons instead of insisting that we should judge Synthesis based on *their* interpretation.

You know what I'm sick and tired of? People like you repeating that arguments against synthesis are all based on interpretation.
Explain to me how that this change is imposed on trillions of beings without their consent is "interpretation" rather than WHAT WE SEE.