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[Reorte]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I am not telling you what you should prefer. If you're interested in why some people prefer Synthesis, read this thread, among others. You may not agree, but I request that people respect those reasons instead of insisting that we should judge Synthesis based on *their* interpretation.

Why should anyone respect reasons that they find badly thought out or offensive? I've never seen any Synthesis support that isn't one or the other.

[Bill Casey]

Ieldra2 wrote...

but I request that people respect those reasons instead of insisting that we should judge Synthesis based on *their* interpretation.

Request denied...

[The Angry One]

Reorte wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I am not telling you what you should prefer. If you're interested in why some people prefer Synthesis, read this thread, among others. You may not agree, but I request that people respect those reasons instead of insisting that we should judge Synthesis based on *their* interpretation.

Why should anyone respect reasons that they find badly thought out or offensive? I've never seen any Synthesis support that isn't one or the other.

Watch now he'll bring the intolerance argument up and go for the +10 Irony Bonus.

[Taboo]

I have been talking to Lawyers, Medical Doctors, College Professors, Psychologists and even Film Producers about Synthesis.

None of them though it was a good idea.

The lawyer told me I'd be looking at the largest violation of consent that has ever existed and that by dying you chicken out.

I LOL'd.

[Ieldra]

Bill Casey wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
but I request that people respect those reasons instead of insisting that we should judge Synthesis based on *their* interpretation.

Request denied...

Why does that not surprise me....

[Taboo]

I created a thread for you Ieldra. DEDICATED to you. About my choice.

People care very much about this and you shouldn't be surprised that people are upset.

This shouldn't be happening, but it is.

[The Angry One]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
but I request that people respect those reasons instead of insisting that we should judge Synthesis based on *their* interpretation.

Request denied...

Why does that not surprise me....

You're not even seeing the irony of asking people to respect your choice while supporting an ending where everyone's freedom of choice is removed forever, are you?

[aj2070]

...and there is the +10 irony bonus. 

Modifié par aj2070, 09 juin 2012 - 07:45 .

[Reorte]

The Angry One wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I am not telling you what you should prefer. If you're interested in why some people prefer Synthesis, read this thread, among others. You may not agree, but I request that people respect those reasons instead of insisting that we should judge Synthesis based on *their* interpretation.

Why should anyone respect reasons that they find badly thought out or offensive? I've never seen any Synthesis support that isn't one or the other.

Watch now he'll bring the intolerance argument up and go for the +10 Irony Bonus.

Fine my me. Advocating blind tolerance for anything and everything is one of my vast collection of pet hates. It demonstrates lack of thought about issues.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The Angry One wrote...

The Catalyst wants synthesis. Shepard is merely the tool that achieves it.
The Catalyst is the one killing people. So no, the same one that is forcing this on you is the one threatening to kill you for being what you are.

I'm not telling him to kill people, I'm making the best of the cards I've been dealt.

It controls the Reapers. It is not "with" the enemy. IT IS THE ENEMY.

Another argument for another time.

I can give you 5 reasons why I do not believe the Catalyst is lying. But that's another discussion for another time. Also, I can show how phony everybody is for not believing him, and believing someone else almost universally. But again, somewhere else.

Your argument is ridiculous. You constantly say what the Catalyst says is wrong, but then say it's not a liar.
If it is being truthful yet constantly wrong, then it is an idiot. Why do you trust the word of an idiot?

It is clear that you don't understand "figurative" apart from "literal" interpretation. It's only, what, a 3rd grade reading skill?

Let me reiterate: I believe "new DNA." Figuratively. Metaphoircally. Not literally.

You choose to believe and cover your ears to the truth, because otherwise you'd have to acknowledge that the Catalyst is untrustworthy.
The Catalyst is not speaking metaphorically at any other time, why would it suddenly do so now?

Again, figure out the difference between literal and figurative speech, then we'll talk.

Also, there's a tell. The pause before he says "DNA." A pause would imply brief thought, or emphasis. Meaning the word choice is distinct from anything else he is saying - it's carefully chosen. Crafted.

In the end, I believe "DNA" is just a figurative word to make sense of the change he's talking about. No different than the fact that he's speaking English, or calling the Reapers by their colloquial name rather than "that which you know as Reapers." But then again, that last one baffled you, so I shouldn't expect you to understand something more complex.

I'm sure there's a change, just not as drastic as anti-Synthesis camp wants to make it out to be.

No no no the clear physical changes, the usage of a cyborg as a template for this transformation, the "new DNA" and all that, let's just ignore all of it.
I mean obviously the glowing eyes are there just to look cool.

I ignored nothing.


BRB, have to attend a lousy graduation.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 09 juin 2012 - 07:48 .

[Ieldra]

The Angry One wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
but I request that people respect those reasons instead of insisting that we should judge Synthesis based on *their* interpretation.

Request denied...

Why does that not surprise me....

You're not even seeing the irony of asking people to respect your choice while supporting an ending where everyone's freedom of choice is removed forever, are you?

Don't make me laugh. I'm making *one* decision without asking anyone. Beyond that, I'm taking nobody's freedom away. Everything else is something *you* put in.

[Reorte]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Don't make me laugh. I'm making *one* decision without asking anyone. Beyond that, I'm taking nobody's freedom away. Everything else is something *you* put in.

One that affects absolutely everyone at a very, very fundamental (and hence invasive) level.

[Taboo]

The joyful are the free Ieldra and they always will be.

By showing people "new ways of life" you are changing them. They should reach that conclusion on their own.

We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control.

People should learn and evolve on the paths THEY choose, not what Shepard chooses for ALL time.

[Reorte]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The joyful are the free Ieldra and they always will be.

By showing people "new ways of life" you are changing them. They should reach that conclusion on their own.

We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control.

People should learn and evolve on the paths THEY choose, not what Shepard chooses for ALL time.

Threads like this need more dark sarcasm though.

[Fixers0]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
To All Synthesis fanboys/girls:

Explain to me why i should/want to take Synthesis over Destroy.

I am not telling you what you should prefer. If you're interested in why some people prefer Synthesis, read this thread, among others. You may not agree, but I request that people respect those reasons instead of insisting that we should judge Synthesis based on *their* interpretation.

And how is are of that facts and not just your interpertation, i don't want to count how many times i see the word assumption appear in context of ''i assume''.

[The Night Mammoth]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Don't make me laugh. I'm making *one* decision without asking anyone. Beyond that, I'm taking nobody's freedom away. Everything else is something *you* put in.

I respect that you have a massively detailed reason for choosing synthesis, so surely you should be able to understand it's the magnitude of the decision and its possible implications that bother people, as much as the fact you're making it. 

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

I'm not telling him to kill people, I'm making the best of the cards I've been dealt.

The point is the Catalyst is killing people, and the only way it's willing to stop is if you do what it says and follow it's philosophy.
So instead of resisting this spiteful little bastard, we're forced into being it's tool to start it's "next solution".

Another argument for another time.

The point is it's undeniably made itself the enemy, even more so than Harbinger because it controls Harbinger.
Therefore nothing it says is to be trusted.

It is clear that you don't understand "figurative" apart from "literal" interpretation. It's only, what, a 3rd grade reading skill?

Why would the Catalyst start being figurative now when it wasn't doing so before?

Again, figure out the difference between literal and figurative speech, then we'll talk.

I know the difference. You appear to not be aware when figurative speech is required and when it isn't.

Also, there's a tell. The pause before he says "DNA." It's there to make sense of what he's saying. No different than the fact that he's speaking English, or calling the Reapers by their colloquial name rather than "that which you know as Reapers."

And here I am looking down on indoctrination theorists for making leaps in logic and weird assumptions about dialogue pauses, and here you come along to top them.

But then again, that last one baffled you, so I shouldn't expect you to understand something more complex.

The last one is dialogue consistency, which despite my Harbinger example you somehow still don't get.

I ignored nothing.

Yet you deny there's been a significant change. You can't have it both ways.

[aj2070]

Reorte wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The joyful are the free Ieldra and they always will be.

By showing people "new ways of life" you are changing them. They should reach that conclusion on their own.

We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control.

People should learn and evolve on the paths THEY choose, not what Shepard chooses for ALL time.

Threads like this need more dark sarcasm though.

Hey! Teacher, leave them kids alone...

[Taboo]

Hey! Synthesis! Leave them kids alone!

I'll reward whoever makes that banner.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 09 juin 2012 - 07:51 .

[The Angry One]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Don't make me laugh. I'm making *one* decision without asking anyone. Beyond that, I'm taking nobody's freedom away. Everything else is something *you* put in.

You're making a decision that will change them forever!
If you're so completely ignorant that you can't recognise this, no wonder you support synthesis.

[xsdob]

You know what, I apalogize to everyone here and to all people who didn't reply but read comments anyway. This is nothing but a trainwreck and a flamewar, and I help to feul it.

Sorry folks, I really am, I'm just going to leave this thread now and let everyone get back to their internet argument, just going to leave with a funny caption for what everyone should do in this situation.

[ghost9191]

well at least his or her Shepard doesn't have to live with the f*c*ed up choice s/he made for everyone, guess thats why it's is easy to pick

Modifié par ghost9191, 09 juin 2012 - 07:55 .

[Reorte]

xsdob wrote...

You know what, I apalogize to everyone here and to all people who didn't reply but read comments anyway. This is nothing but a trainwreck and a flamewar, and I help to feul it.

Sorry folks, I really am, I'm just going to leave this thread now and let everyone get back to their internet argument, just going to leave with a funny caption for what everyone should do in this situation.

Gah, something else that depressed me. That film killed off the best character in it! (the Warrior Woman was hot as hell!)

[Ieldra]

@The Angry One:
I'm still taking nobody's freedom away. People still have the same preferences, the same mind, the same tastes etc.. etc.. They may have a few more options for their lives. That's increasing your choices, not taking them away.

@xsdob:
Good idea.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 juin 2012 - 07:57 .

[aj2070]

As much as I have enjoyed watching Taboo and The Angry One lead the charge against synthesis, pro-synthesis people forget one thing. The reapers are synthesis personified so-to speak. Legion even says so in Mass Effect 2. Why would I want to make the entire galaxy and probably the entire universe (speculations for everyone) into reapers?

Modifié par aj2070, 09 juin 2012 - 07:58 .