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Zkyire wrote...

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After playing a couple games in Silver this weekend (misread the community goal) I realize now why so many noobs end up in my Gold games.  Silver is too easy!!  The hardest thing about Silver is the bad teammates.  Maybe, just maybe, if Silver was harder then the noobs who are now emboldened by how easy Silver is currently wouldn't fill up the Gold Lobbies.





...what?

Silver is supposed to be easier than Gold.

Why would it be made harder?


LOL...you didn't read my post, despite including it in your comment.

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Actually, Gold should be easier. The jump is pretty large between Silver/Gold. Just add Platinum to the mix (harder than current Gold, make Gold a bit easier).

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JiceDuresh wrote...

There already is a harder silver, it's called gold. If you don't like the idea that some people aren't equal to your 'godly' skill level, stop playing random.


Yes, my skill levels are Godly...in Silver.  And actually playing random/random/Gold (or Silver) is more challenging than the alternative).

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Surprised how many silvers have been failing from what a few friends have been reporting. Amazing what happens when you dangle n7 weapon in front of everyone.

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xcrunr1647 wrote...

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Yeah. If only they had a difficulty that was harder. They could call it gold or somethin like that.


Lolz


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Ryan_H wrote...

After playing a couple games in Silver this weekend (misread the community goal) I realize now why so many noobs end up in my Gold games.  Silver is too easy!!  The hardest thing about Silver is the bad teammates.  Maybe, just maybe, if Silver was harder then the noobs who are now emboldened by how easy Silver is currently wouldn't fill up the Gold Lobbies.






While I don't agree with the idea of making silver more difficult, I do very much agree with what you've said about the teammates.  I probably started playing Gold a bit earlier than I should have because I just couldn't stand having terrible silver teammates 7/10 times. 

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Silver is just the right level for me so I wouldn't like to see it made harder.

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/facepalm

Not everybody has a full inventory of Mark X rare weapons, genius.

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Ryan_H wrote...
90% extraction rate is proof that its too easy.  90% isn't a challenge; its a cake walk.



Only for thoes who are in the upper teir of silver players.  I'm sure it's no different for the upper teir of gold players either.

Your assumption is that people fail in gold because they have it easy in silver.  But there's no gate keeper on skill level, I can go from silver to gold and still stay in the top two of the score board, maybe even beat you in it. 

What you're actually whining about is that people who are of the appropriate skill level for silver are queueing for gold, not that they didn't learn anything from silver.

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Schneidend wrote...

/facepalm

Not everybody has a full inventory of Mark X rare weapons, genius.


You are correct.  And that is why I play only Gold (unless i misread a challenge) the problem is when noobs who don't have the weapons/skills to go along with those weapons fill up Gold lobbies.

Thanks for helping reinforce my point!

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Silver is fine. It's really not all that much easier than Gold anyway after the first 6 waves.

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Bronze is for initial leveling, Silver is for casual games, and Gold for a challenge. Typically.

If anything, Silver needs to give better credit rewards.

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Ryan_H wrote...

You are correct.  And that is why I play only Gold (unless i misread a challenge) the problem is when noobs who don't have the weapons/skills to go along with those weapons fill up Gold lobbies.

Thanks for helping reinforce my point!


Making Silver harder won't help. People will still go into Gold because they think they're awesome or want the most credits.

The only things making Silver harder will accomplish is frustrate new players who don't migrate to Gold or vets who acknowledge that they aren't ready for Gold.

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I can't make sense of your reasoning OP. Let me know if I've misstated something

1) Silver is too easy
2) The hardest thing about it is all the bad players there (i.e., people playing silver are so bad that they actually make the game harder, instead of helping)
3) [Presumably because people find silver too easy] they try to play gold, and since they're really too bad even for silver, they screw up gold games too.
4) Therefore, make silver harder to keep the horrible players there from feeling like they are too good for silver, thus keeping them out of gold.

I can go along with 1 and 2 for the sake of argument, but you loose me at 3. If they players on silver are so bad that they actually make the game harder, how on earth are they coming to the conclusion that they're too good, and need to move up to gold? Maybe there is a slim category of people moving up from silver to gold that are generally top of the silver board, but still skilling up to Gold-ready. Making silver harder, and leaving gold's difficulty alone, would provide a better training ground for this very slim portion of the gaming community, but I don't think it'd solve the problem you're talking about.

And even if we accept 3, why would making silver harder -encourage- people to play silver? By increasing risk relative to reward, you make silver -less- desirable, not more. You'd have to make both silver and gold harder for that to work, but then why not just ask for a platinum difficulty where no noob would dare to tred.

To keep people on silver, you need to either make silver easier, or pay more credits. I think the source of your stated problem (and I'm not ready to agree that it's a problem), is that gold isn't -that- much harder than silver, but pays double or more the credits. Pair that with the fact that even getting past the wave 6 objective pays as much as silver, and you get a lot of people saying, "heck, why not"

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No. Unless they bump up the money we get for doing it, they shouldn't make it harder.

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WWNSX wrote...

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Still wouldn't be enough to offset your eminent badassery. Need some sort of ME3 selusa secundus for that.


Yes can we please get the Muad'Dib class Bioware! I want to fight legion's of  Sardaukar.

Muad'Dib is OP because you can summon Sandworms...like Krogans :blink:

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joker_jack wrote...

Surprised how many silvers have been failing from what a few friends have been reporting. Amazing what happens when you dangle n7 weapon in front of everyone.


Its quite sad really - you have the Gold players coming down to play Silver, but they can't seem to make up for the Bronze player invasion skill difference.  Just had 3 games that made Silver look like Bronze though myself...  happened to be the only outsider in the team.

What I find more amazing is how the Gold players can never seem to stop whining about everything!  They complain about how hard it is to find any/any/gold games when they get put into FBWGG, and then they complain when they get more people playing gold who aren't that good in their games, and they expect...  I don't know...  a miracle?

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Silver is perfect

Not everyone has X level weapons and is capable of soloing it.

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JiceDuresh wrote...

Ryan_H wrote...
90% extraction rate is proof that its too easy.  90% isn't a challenge; its a cake walk.



Only for thoes who are in the upper teir of silver players.  I'm sure it's no different for the upper teir of gold players either.

Your assumption is that people fail in gold because they have it easy in silver.  But there's no gate keeper on skill level, I can go from silver to gold and still stay in the top two of the score board, maybe even beat you in it. 

Its too bad you didn't read my whole post.

Ryan_H wrote...
Maybe, just maybe, if Silver was harder then the noobs who
are now emboldened by how easy Silver is currently wouldn't fill up the
Gold Lobbies.


JiceDuresh wrote...
What you're actually whining about is that people who are of the
appropriate skill level for silver are queueing for gold, not that they
didn't learn anything from silver.


Again, its too bad you didn't read my whole post before slinging insults.  But maybe that's just an indicator of what you can and can't do.

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jcamdenlane wrote...

Still wouldn't be enough to offset your eminent badassery. Need some sort of ME3 selusa secundus for that.

+10 for Dune reference.

I want a Duncan Idaho Vanguard.

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Mr. Heavy wrote...

I can't make sense of your reasoning OP. Let me know if I've misstated something

1) Silver is too easy
2) The hardest thing about it is all the bad players there (i.e., people playing silver are so bad that they actually make the game harder, instead of helping)
3) [Presumably because people find silver too easy] they try to play gold, and since they're really too bad even for silver, they screw up gold games too.
4) Therefore, make silver harder to keep the horrible players there from feeling like they are too good for silver, thus keeping them out of gold.


Wow, if only you would've read my post:

Ryan_H wrote...
After playing a couple games in Silver this weekend (misread the
community goal) I realize now why so many noobs end up in my Gold
games.  Silver is too easy!!  The hardest thing about Silver is the bad
teammates.  Maybe, just maybe, if Silver was harder then the noobs who
are now emboldened by how easy Silver is currently wouldn't fill up the
Gold Lobbies.


You spent a lot of typing because instead of reading you pressumed or more precisely assumed (presumed was your word of choice not mine).  Just to clarify for you (only a sentence or two; I think you can handle that!): I don't think that the BAD SILVER PLAYERS are migrating to Gold because Silver is too hard for them (or in your words, "they're really too bad even for silver").  Its the decent/good Silver players who are making the jump because they find Silver too easy; and there they are totally unprepared for the Gold experience.

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Silver is fine, it has nothing to do with the people in your Gold lobbies that you think are beneath you.

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Adragalus wrote...

jcamdenlane wrote...

Still wouldn't be enough to offset your eminent badassery. Need some sort of ME3 selusa secundus for that.

+10 for Dune reference.

I want a Duncan Idaho Vanguard.


Yes I can see you finding brain dead characters to your liking.

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Sorry, but no. Making the difficulty harder is not going to deter bad players from playing.

It doesn't deter them from playing gold already does it?

Modifié par Speezy, 09 juin 2012 - 09:44 .


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Cayse wrote...

Silver is fine, it has nothing to do with the people in your Gold lobbies that you think are beneath you.


You're right, I do think they're beneathe me (skill wise) and then Gold proves me right.