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[Seifer006]

ANYONE SEE THIS FIGHT?

PACQUIAO WON!!!

Enough said

[Yrkoon]

It's called Karma. Pacquiao LOST his last fight against Marquez  (totally got his ass kicked from pillar to post, in fact), but 3 blind judges decided to hand him a victory anyway. Tonight he simply out-hussles Bradley, without actually looking good, and justice is finally visited upon him.

Personally, I scored this fight 8-4 for Manny, but lets face it, he faded late. He took the last 2 rounds off.... totally coasted the 12th and let Bradley dominate. Huge mistake. Judges like fighters who finish strong.

But whatever. The entire Landscape of Boxing has just been turned on its head, and THAT is what really matters.  No More Pacquiao vs. Mayweather  talk. no more Pacquiao vs. Marquez 4 anticipation. We now have to contend with an obligatory Pacquiao vs. Bradley 2, which personally, I have no interest in seeing. Rematches should come about organically... not forced upon us  because of some manufactured controversey involving non-combatants. Pacquiao vs. Bradley wasn't even that good. So no. I don't want to see it again.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 10 juin 2012 - 05:36 .

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Yrkoon, you said it man! I was looking at the post-fight analysis, and I couldn't help but think--welcome to Juan Manuel Marquez's world, Manny. What sucks, though, is Marquez had to deal with that crap two times--I'd say three, but I'll give Manny the draw.

Seriously, I'm so happy the same happened to Pacquiao, karma. When he was asked about the Marquez fight, he would play it sly as if he won the match.

Someone needs to fix boxing as a sport, clean house, and keep it out of Las Vegas. I though Pacquiao dominated throughout the fight--it looked more like a mismatch. I don't care at all about seeing a Pacquiao/Bradley fight. Bradley is not an exciting fighter--has a big mouth, though, and I feel like he is mismatched against Pacquiao.

I'd rather see Mayweather or Marquez fight him, but now we have to deal with this stupid "rivalry."

[JoeLaTurkey]

Bob Arum's been screwing the sport for years: the man's so corrupt he makes Don King look like Martin Luther King.

Now that he's screwed a fighter as admired as Pacquiao, maybe more will wake up to his BS.

[JoeLaTurkey]

Yrkoon wrote...
We now have to contend with an obligatory Pacquiao vs. Bradley 2, which personally, I have no interest in seeing. Rematches should come about organically... not forced upon us  because of some manufactured controversey involving non-combatants. Pacquiao vs. Bradley wasn't even that good. So no. I don't want to see it again.

Agreed.

Alarm bells went off in my head when I saw this

[Yrkoon]

JoeLaTurkey wrote...

Bob Arum's been screwing the sport for years: the man's so corrupt he makes Don King look like Martin Luther King.

Now that he's screwed a fighter as admired as Pacquiao, maybe more will wake up to his BS.

Indeed. But Chances are they'll all swallow his kool-aid instead and pay to see the rematch, making him +millions richer, thus he's the winner in the end.

See, this is the manufactured BS we don't need or deserve. Boxing is awesome at producing its own drama. It doesn't Need a made-up storyline to push it along. Promoters will never understand this.  None of them.  Don King, Butch Lewis, Dan Duva, Oscar De la Hoya...  They're all slimey, and ignorant to the real spirit of the sport.


Mayweather, Get your butt out of prison already and do something.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 10 juin 2012 - 06:27 .

[slimgrin]

I haven't watched it yet but I'm not surprised. If Pac really won there shouldn't even be a rematch. And Bradley should man up and say he lost.

[RedArmyShogun]

Karma? Its called Boxing has been rigged the last 50 years.

[android654]

I really wonder if any of you are Boxing fans. For the past two fights Manny's form has been dipping. He's been having a lot of issues with his calf muscles and you can tell that that has been affecting hiss performance. There was even talk from Manny's conditioning coach about him retiring soon due to a combination of this medical issue, his age, and his desire to retire with a good record to help bolster his political career. That being said, the count from everyone else watching called the fight for Manny despite the official decision. He landed more than Bradley and missed less.

So no, it's not a question of karma. It seems to be a combination of a serious enough medical problem and a rigged judge panel. If he looks weak enough and has a rumor of a medical problem to help sell the story, then him losing wouldn't seem so outrageous. That's what seems to have happened.

It also helps them keep Mayweather from Manny, which is what fight promoters really want anyway.

[.shea.]

This is right up there with Williams vs Lara and Rios vs Abril (and Helenius vs Chisora) as the worst decision in recent years. Lederman gave Bradley 1 round, even Floyd Sr. had Manny winning lol (according to Dan Rafael).

Modifié par Chouan, 10 juin 2012 - 01:40 .

[chunkyman]

I like watching boxing, but it's sooooo rigged.

[slimgrin]

Well I watched it, and no way did Bradley win. He couldn't avoid Manny's straight left to save his life and Manny had him wobbly a couple times. Manny's slowed down a bit in his 'old' age, he doesn't throw as many punches, but he continues to evolve as a result. In this fight his defense was far better than usual. Watch his early fights and it was double right jab followed by the straight left, over and over. Now he throws punches at every angle and his upper body movement is vastly improved. I think he came in too heavy for the fight though, which may have been a factor in his slower pace. I'll give Bradley credit for his toughness, but him saying Manny never hurt him is a load of sh*t.

Modifié par slimgrin, 10 juin 2012 - 04:24 .

[Joy Divison]

It took you this long to realize boxing is rigged?

[RedArmyShogun]

You know, while the rigging to me isn't nothing new, and well the fact boxing has sucked the last several decades, you know how you can tell its hit a low?

A guy named Pacman is in it.

[slimgrin]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

You know, while the rigging to me isn't nothing new, and well the fact boxing has sucked the last several decades, you know how you can tell its hit a low?

A guy named Pacman is in it.

What? Are you saying boxing is bad because of him? Or that Pacman is corrupt? That's crazy, he's carried the sport for years now.  And the 'bad for several decades nonsense' talk has to stop. The heavyweight division is bad, but there have always been great fights at lower weights. Carl Froch's destruction of Lucian Butte recently is evidence of that.

~edit

Modifié par slimgrin, 10 juin 2012 - 04:33 .

[android654]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

You know, while the rigging to me isn't nothing new, and well the fact boxing has sucked the last several decades, you know how you can tell its hit a low?

A guy named Pacman is in it.

Ok, you just proved you don't know the sport. Nicknames have always been central to boxing. Every famous boxer in history has had a ridiculous nickname. No to mention that Manny has one of the best records in the history of the sport, a record that is two fights away of being an exact replica of Ali's record.


Ali

Wins: 56
Losses: 5

Manny:

Wins: 54
Losses: 4

Modifié par android654, 10 juin 2012 - 04:33 .

[RedArmyShogun]

No I'm saying thats a ****ing stupid name. Its a gimmick, a Joke. Just like the "sport".

And I don't want to know the sport, Manning was a, no sorry IS A Joke. And its funny you mention Ali. Back then at least the compititon was real. And honestly you have to go that far back to find when it was somewhat good to watch.

The crap we call boxing now, is just that. Crap.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 10 juin 2012 - 04:34 .

[android654]

slimgrin wrote...
What? Are you saying boxing is bad because of him? Or that Pacman is corrupt? That's crazy, he's carried the sport for years now.  And the 'bad for several decades nonsense' talk has to stop. The heavyweight division is bad, but there have always been great fights at lower weights. Carl Froch's destruction of Lucian Butte recently is evidence of that.

~edit

Don't bother, it's pretty clear most of the people here don't know a thing about boxing or the history of the sport.

[slimgrin]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

No I'm saying thats a ****ing stupid name. Its a gimmick, a Joke. Just like the "sport".

And I don't want to know the sport, Manning was a, no sorry IS A Joke. And its funny you mention Ali. Back then at least the compititon was real. And honestly you have to go that far back to find when it was somewhat good to watch.

The crap we call boxing now, is just that. Crap.

Well, at least you admit you're ignorance on the topic.

[LPPrince]

Boxing might as well be as scripted as Professional Wrestling is.

Not knocking on Pro Wrestling OR Boxing, but I'm just putting it out there.

[android654]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

No I'm saying thats a ****ing stupid name. Its a gimmick, a Joke. Just like the "sport".

And I don't want to know the sport, Manning was a, no sorry IS A Joke. And its funny you mention Ali. Back then at least the compititon was real. And honestly you have to go that far back to find when it was somewhat good to watch.

The crap we call boxing now, is just that. Crap.

Again, you just proved you don't know what you're talking about. Pac-man is a stupid nickname? Any dumber than Evander "Real Deal" Holyfield? Jerry "Wimpy" Halstead? Jersey Joe "Almond Cream" Walcott? O'Niel "Give 'em Hell" Bell? They're all stupid nicknames throughout the history.

If you knew anything about the sport, the form and conditioning of the ideal boxer, you'd know that Manny is the ideal image of the perfect boxer. You know this not just from his conditioning but his form in the ring.

Please stop b*tching about things you know nothing about.

[RedArmyShogun]

LPPrince wrote...

Boxing might as well be as scripted as Professional Wrestling is.

Not knocking on Pro Wrestling OR Boxing, but I'm just putting it out there.

Exactly.

And sorry Slim when something turns to crap like Wrestling and Boxing have, I wash my hands with it. If you like to play with crap thats fine. But never ask me to shake your hand. I rather not have **** on my hands as well. Doesn't mean I don't know it. I just know when its time to kick it to the curb.

Also Andriod, no I happen to have liked most of those names, and cconditioning? The only thing that cump knows how to conditioning is his mouth. Yeah he's the perfect boxer today. A Joke of a man, a performer, that rolls in the money as thats all the sport is now. A Money Joke, and if you don't like my words you can kiss my ass tovarich. I knew the sport once, and what it is now, I don't want to be near. So dasvidaniya. In other words done with this sillieness. And in case you don't notice, the Opinions of the "ignorant savages" as always outnumber yours.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 10 juin 2012 - 04:52 .

[slimgrin]

wiggles89 wrote...

Marquez had it all wrong. You don't beat Pacquiao on points by thoroughly outboxing him (which Marquez did three times), you do it by letting him thoroughly outbox you!

And getting knocked on his ass like 7 times.

@confess-a-bear. Lay off the crazy sauce.

Modifié par slimgrin, 10 juin 2012 - 04:56 .

[xsdob]

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Modifié par xsdob, 11 juin 2012 - 03:02 .