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[Eshme]

Hi
Perhaps i ignored something.
Dont know english words for the Talents but its 2 Talents on the right side for Archers.

The description for Crititcal Arrow says that it will be a critical hit with a bonus armor piercing.
The description for Arrow of Destruction says its a critical hit without the bonus. Yet comes with double Stamina cost. This is what i see, seems worse.

I havent yet trained this line with Leliana because its not appealing ,however why is the 2nd talent requiring so much more Stamina?  Her bow (Marjolaines) can do critical hits so this is good?

[Loc'n'lol]

Arrow of slaying (its english name) is a one-hit kill on most normal enemies, the damage easily goes in the 100s. So it is really good, although the description is misleading.

[Starmartyr]

I was confused by the wording at first too, but I trained it anyway, figuring 2 critical shots is better than one. After firing it off the first time, I was shocked. It does insane damage, especially from stealth. I'm talking close to 900 damage in one hit at level 14.

I just turn on Aim, hit stealth and fire that sucker off. A one hit kill on most white, and if you're lucky, it will kill a yellow too. Great for taking those blasted Emissaries out.

[Forumtroll]

I do believe Arrow of Slaying's tool tip says it is always a critical strike if it lands. The tooltip also leads you to believe it has an instant death effect, it does not. An instant death effect in Dragon Age just means it hits for a metric ****ton of damage on anyone.

[Eshme]

And what does the Critical Arrow do ,you know ? Just interested. Hm misleading yes, i guess it does not do 100 damage then?



One more point that i am asking this is because Wynne got this new Spell "Turn to Stone", and the description sais "critical hit will smash the target" and perhaps i can train this Arrow talent to make a good combination.



However.. The best critical hit for me yet is when i let Oghren do a "Final Blow" (right?) then it almost reaches 100 too but he misses most of the time. Although his Attack Rating is 90ish, highest of all. And he did not smash Wynne's stone figurine!! But im not really sure if the effect had weared out. But i would expect it more than if an arrow did it. I dont know how do do it, thats all.

[DragoonKain3]

Critical Arrow combos well with Wynne's petrify, though its better to combo it with Cone of Cold since it will always be up when CoC is cast due to its 10s cooldown.



Note the amount of damage does not matter when shattering petrified/frozen enemies, only that the attack hits. Even if critical shot does 2 damage with crit bonus, since it crits, it will shatter the enemy provided you hit them.

[Onlyasandwich]

The main use for abilities like critical shot or critical strike (the similar ability in 2-hand tree) is for shattering enemies that are stoned or frozen. Using these abilities on a target not under those conditions is not the best choice for damage because of the time they take to execute.



Arrow of slaying does crazy damage to anything.

[Eshme]

Thanks for the replies, i must respond again.



Starmartyr, Forumtroll :

900?! ookey

This confuses me even more. I can turn a enemy to stone with Wynne sometimes, and with a critical hit burst it. But if a critical hit is a one shot anyways, it doesnt make as much sense to turn to stone or? Hmmm I'd prefer to save on it in this case, cause im barely keeping up with the heal Spells



DragoonKain3 :

Petrify ,yes thats the Name. I have also read that CoC is comparable , but i dont have it. Maybe when i have talent points over hee

You say even if it only does 2 damage. Is that a theoretic example?



So im taking, critical hits are those that do 900 damage ,is that about right? Just that the 2nd last talent requires less stamina? Not that i can believe it really, but i may wait few more levels to spend in those talents and try it out.

[Brako Shepard]

Yeah when the arrow of slaying hits a weaker enemy, it really does do a lot of damage.

On one of those dwalf darksporn, I hit one with the arrow of slaying and got a hit point of 923. Only problem is I don't know how the hell I did it, because I was only getting around 100-150 against Flemeth dragon.

[DragoonKain3]

Nonono, there is NO correlation with the amount of damage you do and whether or not it is a critical hit. Each 'auto-attack' has a percent chance of being a critical hit (1.5x damage), while all abilities do not crit (most abilities), or they automatically crit (like critical shot). An ability will specifically say whether or not it crits on hit (barring arrow of slaying; tooltip is wrong), while normal attacks have a chance of being a crit.

For example, let's say theres this white enemy that has 500 hp (not does this exist), and you petrify him. If you arrow of slaying him for 400 damage, it will NOT shatter him because arrow of slaying is NOT a critical hit. In this case he will still have 100 hp leftover.

Critical shot on the otherhand might do only 75 damage, but since it automatically crits on hit, it will shatter the enemy.

Modifié par DragoonKain3, 12 décembre 2009 - 07:12 .

[Forumtroll]

Theoretically Arrow of Slaying is said to have a max of 25,000 damage. We sorely need a a level unarmored target dummy to be made in the toolset.

[Eshme]

thanks again



DragoonKain3:

Ok i read it 3 times and now i see it. So when im looking for critical hits (which is basically all im wanting) im not trying to literally pressing the button harder so that Oghren makes the best out of Final blow? lol ahh how often he fails i cant count anymore =(

How would i trigger the chance on autoattack, can you tell? I wanna see one doing this shady and mysterious hit, and levelwise im almost thru the game lol. Not sure if i can even train these Arrow Talents anymore ,needs 3 levels at least.



Petrify here i come again!



thanks for your time

[Starmartyr]

Eshme wrote...

Thanks for the replies, i must respond again.

Starmartyr, Forumtroll :
900?! ookey
.

Forum troll? Excuse me, but when someone tries to give you help on something, just because you don't think it can happen, doesn't mean that someone else hasn't done it.

Take a look at this screenshot, as I said, I did close to 900 damage and 876 is pretty damned close.





the picture looks pretty small, so here's the link
s438.photobucket.com/albums/qq106/Starmartyr/

Modifié par Starmartyr, 13 décembre 2009 - 08:52 .

[Eshme]

Lol sorry not my fault the guy after you is named like that. I just copied name, meant to respond to you and "Forumtroll" the name ^^

[Starmartyr]

Eshme wrote...

Lol sorry not my fault the guy after you is named like that. I just copied name, meant to respond to you and "Forumtroll" the name ^^

Ahh, I see now. Forgive me. I shouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly, especially since that was what I was basicly telling you not to do.


Anyway, yes, enjoy Arrow of Slaying and all of it's evil pokeyness

[Eshme]

I have to return, Is there some special qualification needed to get the result? Leliana can do both now, but i cannot say it is any good.

I had cast the Petrify effect on an enemy and pause when i see the enemy is covered in dust. I assume that is when the effect is working? And immidiatly say Leliana to shoot a Critical arrow and unpause and wait for something to happen but nothing. I am unsure if Leliana is quick enough with the aiming because the cloud will be gone and enemies can move again very soon. Do i need to aim beforehand or something?

And i had tried the Arrow of "slaying" too few times in the City. Not very often really, but i have tried to take a closer look at Leliana to all my might. On the last "white named" enemy for example, i tried it, and shortly after i issued commands for the others who were fighting the rest (it was like 8 enemies) i looked and it was no "oneshot" but only 10% at most. And im not sure if Zevran was accounting to that, since he hits everyone around him with his moves and was standing too close to say really.



Maybe i try next time with Zevran further away, but i have no choice than to do best i can since all battles are troublesome. And Zevran is my best option hee, i guess.

And a combination would really brighten things up for me ,or so it sounded. I dont know whats missing.

[Eshme]

Nobody know?

Since i have made Recordings for another purpose, i can show what i see. It is just seems the opposite of what u are saying.





In this Video at about 2:45 is a few tries with Arrow of Slaying. Is that normal?

[Eshme]

Hm i try that. Havent had Wynne around lately anymore, my Mage can do the same but has no Petrify. But Crushing Prison btw, wished i could cast it on teammates cause adding forcefield to that will make a mess out of enemies have you tried that? Its crazy.



Just Leliana is sticky, no i mean can lockpick and much more pretty well.

[Eshme]

Nice huh? Theres a fix for this Spell to be castable on allies somewhere ,but its in english, and i play german =(



BTW i tried your trick out with Wynne and it worked yipee. Critical Arrow didnt crush it, but it has hit i swear. Damn. And Arrow of Slaying did work now, as i went solo with Leliane and Wynne on her tail thru the Fort Prison in Denerim. There was a hit for just over 100!. But 10 times as much with no damage. Quiet a rediculous fail pair but funny (i loved their church outfits that fit them so well).

[Eislor]

I usually have my tank charge the bad guy mage, when he casts Crushing Prison on him my mage casts Forcefield on my tank. BOOM! That tactic works well and its fun too.

[indome]

@Starmartyr

How do you get a 98% hit rate on an archer? o: