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DPSSOC wrote...

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the EC is nothing but cutscenes. No gameplay. Game play takes playtesting and bug-finding. No time for that.IT requires new gameplay. No gameplay = no IT.



Says who? Bioware?.......


Well common sense has a say in it.  The EC is a chunk out of ME3 sales they are not going to dig into that any more than they have to (that's both Bioware & EA).  It wouldn't surprise me if all we got were a few voiced over epilogue cards.



Yeah.....well there's the difference between us.....I don't put too much stock into "common sense" when Bioware is involved.....after all, the current ending has nothing to do with common sense.......


But if we were going with common sense.....it wouldn't say anything about epilogue slides......why? Because, common sense says that epilogue slides are a bigger slap in the face than the endings are......common sense says the backlash for waiting 6 months to release epilogue slides, would be just as bad as the original backlash over the endings.....


But, so much for common sense.....

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They are not releasing epilouge slides as the EC.

They would be out by now.

Stop panicking.

Everything will be alright tonight.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 11 juin 2012 - 12:43 .


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common sense says bioware rather slap us to the face again than spend millions of dollars in new gameplay sections.
They don't want to, but between that and spending an unacceptable amount of money, they will.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Everything will be alright tonight.

what will you do if weird al voices miranda in the EC due to Strahowsky being busy?

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filetemo wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Everything will be alright tonight.

what will you do if weird al voices miranda in the EC due to Strahowsky being busy?


Because he'd be more expensive than she is. She isn't Michael Fassbender, she has weekends off.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

filetemo wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Everything will be alright tonight.

what will you do if weird al voices miranda in the EC due to Strahowsky being busy?


Because he'd be more expensive than she is. She isn't Michael Fassbender, she has weekends off.



what do you think about a Synthesis between Weird Al and Strahowsky? mmm, yummy.
Al Weirdahowsky anyone?

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Mcfly616 wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

the EC is nothing but cutscenes. No gameplay. Game play takes playtesting and bug-finding. No time for that.IT requires new gameplay. No gameplay = no IT.



Says who? Bioware?.......


Well common sense has a say in it.  The EC is a chunk out of ME3 sales they are not going to dig into that any more than they have to (that's both Bioware & EA).  It wouldn't surprise me if all we got were a few voiced over epilogue cards.



Yeah.....well there's the difference between us.....I don't put too much stock into "common sense" when Bioware is involved.....after all, the current ending has nothing to do with common sense.......


But if we were going with common sense.....it wouldn't say anything about epilogue slides......why? Because, common sense says that epilogue slides are a bigger slap in the face than the endings are......common sense says the backlash for waiting 6 months to release epilogue slides, would be just as bad as the original backlash over the endings.....


But, so much for common sense.....


1) After 6 months people will either have burned out or moved on, nobody's going to care by the time the EC comes out.

2) Never meant to say it would be epilogue slides just that it wouldn't surprise me.  Bioware doesn't gain anything from the EC, there's no profit in it and I guarantee you it won't sway anybody who's dead set on not buying DLC (nothing short of a completely different game would satisfy those people).  So they don't make any money off the EC and it's effect on DLC sales will be negligible (good or not).  From a strict cost-benefit standpoint I wouldn't be surprised if they just came out with epilogue cards because it's the lowest cost for something with 0 benefit.

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Nothing you're saying makes any sense.

At all. Stop being such a downer.

They messed up and are attempting to rectify it.

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I would love to get new endings after all. Non-IT, however

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DPSSOC wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

the EC is nothing but cutscenes. No gameplay. Game play takes playtesting and bug-finding. No time for that.IT requires new gameplay. No gameplay = no IT.



Says who? Bioware?.......


Well common sense has a say in it.  The EC is a chunk out of ME3 sales they are not going to dig into that any more than they have to (that's both Bioware & EA).  It wouldn't surprise me if all we got were a few voiced over epilogue cards.



Yeah.....well there's the difference between us.....I don't put too much stock into "common sense" when Bioware is involved.....after all, the current ending has nothing to do with common sense.......


But if we were going with common sense.....it wouldn't say anything about epilogue slides......why? Because, common sense says that epilogue slides are a bigger slap in the face than the endings are......common sense says the backlash for waiting 6 months to release epilogue slides, would be just as bad as the original backlash over the endings.....


But, so much for common sense.....


1) After 6 months people will either have burned out or moved on, nobody's going to care by the time the EC comes out.

2) Never meant to say it would be epilogue slides just that it wouldn't surprise me.  Bioware doesn't gain anything from the EC, there's no profit in it and I guarantee you it won't sway anybody who's dead set on not buying DLC (nothing short of a completely different game would satisfy those people).  So they don't make any money off the EC and it's effect on DLC sales will be negligible (good or not).  From a strict cost-benefit standpoint I wouldn't be surprised if they just came out with epilogue cards because it's the lowest cost for something with 0 benefit.


1) you severely underestimate the passion of this fanbase

2) I agree. And have been reiterating the fact the Bioware stands to gain no profit from the EC. And I would not be surprised if it were just a lousy attempt to justify the current endings....if they do that, then its a second failure. If they want to "clarify" failure, then they'll get the same result. However, just because Bioware isn't going to make a dime on the EC, doesn't mean than they don't have anything to lose. Something far more integral is at stake: the majority of their fanbase (yeah, the majority)

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BW screwed endinds. Period. Most of us including me hoped that it was a joke, some kind of cover up for actual thing and in the end we will get superb ending but its not gonna happen. They destroyed, raped, killed, screwed whatever you name, the engdings and they will stay that way. Im saying this to myself too: Deal with it, primitives.

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Taboo-XX wrote...
Nothing you're saying makes any sense.


So you've said but you've failed to illustrate how or why?  EC isn't going to make them any money (they are still giving it away I assume) and the damage has been done as far as sales go (EC won't change anyones mind about new Bioware stuff or DLC).

Taboo-XX wrote...
Stop being such a downer.


Second line of the signature.

Taboo-XX wrote...
They messed up and are attempting to rectify it.


Yes, but they aren't going to bankrupt themselves or make any serious digs into their profits to do it.  Neither EA or Bioware.  That's my point, they aren't going to do anything big or anything to blow our minds because it's too expensive for something they won't see a return on.  I don't spend thousands on advertising at the bottom of the ocean.

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1) After 6 months people will either have burned out or moved on, nobody's going to care by the time the EC comes out.

2) Never meant to say it would be epilogue slides just that it wouldn't surprise me. Bioware doesn't gain anything from the EC, there's no profit in it and I guarantee you it won't sway anybody who's dead set on not buying DLC (nothing short of a completely different game would satisfy those people). So they don't make any money off the EC and it's effect on DLC sales will be negligible (good or not). From a strict cost-benefit standpoint I wouldn't be surprised if they just came out with epilogue cards because it's the lowest cost for something with 0 benefit.


1) you severely underestimate the passion of this fanbase


Perhaps you're right, we'll see.

Mcfly616 wrote...
2) I agree. And have been reiterating the fact the Bioware stands to gain no profit from the EC. And I would not be surprised if it were just a lousy attempt to justify the current endings....if they do that, then its a second failure. If they want to "clarify" failure, then they'll get the same result. However, just because Bioware isn't going to make a dime on the EC, doesn't mean than they don't have anything to lose. Something far more integral is at stake: the majority of their fanbase (yeah, the majority)


You're right and again I wasn't making any assertions as to what Bioware will do, just expressing that I'd not be surprised by some quick, cheap, cop out because there's numbers behind it. Keep in mind that EA is calling the shots as far as money goes, they may not be involved in the writing but they set the resources and time they have to work with, and EA has demonstrated in the past that they don't particularly care about the established fan bases of acquired properties. I'm willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt that they'll do the best they can with what they're given, but I don't expect EA to shell out much for this.

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Once again, you fail to understand one very important thing. Bioware has to invest a great deal of money into this because it's all they have left to save a hardcore fanbase. They are hiring voice actors and rendering new cinematics and cut scenes. That costs thousands upon thousands of dollars.

Why are they doing it for free? Because they made a mistake, and this is their way of saying we're sorry. I cannot stress enough that you don't simply not feel the impact of things like this. It's hurtful to have someone tell you that they don't like something you've created but it's even more painful to have some of your most dedicated fans say it, and by the tens of thousands.

Stop with the nonsense, and understand that people make mistakes, and some people are kind enough to rectify them.

Be thankful you're getting anything at all.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 11 juin 2012 - 01:45 .


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Taboo-XX wrote...
Be thankful you're getting anything at all.


No.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Be thankful you're getting anything at all.


Again, no.

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There's a little black spot on the sun today, it's the same old thing as yesterday...

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Taboo-XX wrote...

There's a little black spot on the sun today, it's the same old thing as yesterday...


Poorly constituted and reinforced point is poorly constituted and reinforced.

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wantedman dan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

There's a little black spot on the sun today, it's the same old thing as yesterday...


Poorly constituted and reinforced point is poorly constituted and reinforced.


I look to liking if looking liking do. ;)

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Taboo-XX wrote...
Once again, you fail to understand one very important thing. Bioware has to invest a great deal of money into this because it's all they have left to save a hardcore fanbase. They are hiring voice actors and rendering new cinematics and cut scenes. That costs thousands upon thousands of dollars.


Wrong, EA owns Bioware, they are the ones investing the money, unles the Bioware or ME heads are pulling it from their own pockets.  As I pointed out in my response to Mcfly616 EA has a history of not giving a damn about the hardcore fanbase.

Taboo-XX wrote...
Why are they doing it for free? Because they made a mistake, and this is their way of saying we're sorry. I cannot stress enough that you don't simply not feel the impact of things like this. It's hurtful to have someone tell you that they don't like something you've created but it's even more painful to have some of your most dedicated fans say it, and by the tens of thousands.


I think you miss my point a bit.  I'm not trying to paint Bioware as the bad guy, or even EA for that matter, I'm calling on people to be realistic.  Bioware is not going to produce some shock mindblowing content for the EC because EA won't pay for it, because it doesn't make sense to spend that kind of money to maintain the fanbase of one of many companies they own.  Now that they agreed to fund te EC is a good sign, it shows that they do want to hold on to Bioware and keep them making games, but I wouldn't expect anything more than ok from it.

Taboo-XX wrote...
Stop with the nonsense, and understand that people make mistakes, and some people are kind enough to rectify them.

Be thankful you're getting anything at all.


DPSSOC wrote...
I actually rather liked the ending, not as good as it could've been and not what I was hoping for but still, and I find the EC to be unecessary if not unwelcome.

 
I don't have a problem with the ending as is, I don't need anything to be fixed, I simply advise people to curb their expectations because anyting EA is doing for free probably isn't going to be some mindblowing experience.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

There's a little black spot on the sun today, it's the same old thing as yesterday...

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Alex_Dur4and wrote...

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PLEASE!! This thread is not about IT or denial about the ending... It's about Bioware going above and beyond expectation!


Did we play the same ME3? BioWare failed to meet expectations in just about every aspect.


THIS!!! Is exactly the type of comment that I was talking about NOT doing in this thread... I repeat, this thread is NOT about accusing Bioware...

:police:


I am not accusing BioWare of anything because what I said is fact. ME3 failed to meet expectations.

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 11 juin 2012 - 02:22 .


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I will state, ONCE again.

Listen. Please.

Bioware can have what they want. If Casey Hudson says he wants 2 million for the EC, he can probably get it.

The development cycle has been longer than LotSB, and that cost MILLIONS of dollars.

EA wants a return investment, they'll spend two million, to save six million in future sales. That's how this works.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 11 juin 2012 - 02:26 .


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comrade gando wrote...

so much negativity. but how can I blame people I got stabbed in the back by the time this game was over. I really hope bioware is preparing something awesome


This.

It's hard not to pessimistic about the EC. I pray that they can somehow pull this out of their a** but the ending is just so f***ing bad I don't know how they can

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i really.......really,really............really,really doubt it but hope.......

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lordofdogtown19 wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

so much negativity. but how can I blame people I got stabbed in the back by the time this game was over. I really hope bioware is preparing something awesome


This.

It's hard not to pessimistic about the EC. I pray that they can somehow pull this out of their a** but the ending is just so f***ing bad I don't know how they can


You'll be quiet if they give you Tali.

Don't lie.