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[IFR Deathcrush]

Lol yeah that's exactly the point. To me, its self defeating. People want players to suck less, but nerf everything. Not everyone has the chance to play everyday for 5 or so hours. So these players have to continue playing bronze and thus not getting better at all, to get appropriate weapons. If they try going to silver, screw em, they don't have the right guns. Don't even bother with gold.

Nerfing everything in sight appeases the hardcore gamers at the expense of everyone else.

[Rodrrigoww]

nicethugbert wrote...

Tankcommander wrote...

The Krysae is stupid powerful relative to its ease of use. Requires less aiming than a AR and does more damage than a Black Widow, only in AoE form. If it wasn't a sniper rifle it'd be balanced, but on a Infiltrator it is just plain retarded.

Because Tac Cloak is the best power in the game:  DUMP AGGRO ON TEAM, +90% to powers and weapons(not sniper rifles or melee), +140% to melee, +130% to sniper rifles.  Nothing comes close.  It's pure abuse on your team to dump aggro on them.  Then you want to nerf the weapons that let them fight back against this abuse?  Shame on you.

What are you talking about?A team with 4 infiltrators isn't gonna work , not on public , so everyone has their usages , there's a good reason why credits and experience is shared.And without this 'abuse' you'd probably struggle to complete objectives , if you wanna be such a jerk go play a competitive game , this is not one.If there's no aggro on you it's your responsability to kill things , if there's aggro on you you should keep it that way so someone else kills it.It's a class based co op game either learn it or move on.

[RinShepard]

zenrockoutkast wrote...

IFR Deathcrush wrote...

I see what you're saying Zenrockoutcast. That my friend, is frustrating. But that's the epeen factor that no one can get rid of. Happened to me yesterday in a silver game. A kraysae X sniper kept killing my melee targets. Ah well, I figure it was a teenager with issues and moved on to another lobby. Personally I have only a lvl I and I used it solely on my qme. At lvl I, I come normally in 2nd or 3rd playing good support. No one complains about that!

I think they're mostly score obsessed players.  I don't care that much about score, I just like to actually kill the enemies I'm fighting.  It's not like it's limited to the Krysae, either.  I had one match where two players went around with Sabers and cryo rounds and fragged everything in sight (silver, mind you), and another where someone figured out that my heavy melee ALMOST kills most non-scrub enemies so they followed me around the entire match cleaning up all of my kills.  It's not all that bad with most characters, but when I'm a vorcha or krogan it really starts to get on my nerves.

But yeah, you're right, it's not all that bad.  You try to avoid them, you finish out the match, and you find a different group after.  I just have to vent about it sometimes.

Honestly, it sounds like you two are the score obsessed players.

[zenrockoutkast]

RinShepard wrote...

zenrockoutkast wrote...

IFR Deathcrush wrote...

I see what you're saying Zenrockoutcast. That my friend, is frustrating. But that's the epeen factor that no one can get rid of. Happened to me yesterday in a silver game. A kraysae X sniper kept killing my melee targets. Ah well, I figure it was a teenager with issues and moved on to another lobby. Personally I have only a lvl I and I used it solely on my qme. At lvl I, I come normally in 2nd or 3rd playing good support. No one complains about that!

I think they're mostly score obsessed players.  I don't care that much about score, I just like to actually kill the enemies I'm fighting.  It's not like it's limited to the Krysae, either.  I had one match where two players went around with Sabers and cryo rounds and fragged everything in sight (silver, mind you), and another where someone figured out that my heavy melee ALMOST kills most non-scrub enemies so they followed me around the entire match cleaning up all of my kills.  It's not all that bad with most characters, but when I'm a vorcha or krogan it really starts to get on my nerves.

But yeah, you're right, it's not all that bad.  You try to avoid them, you finish out the match, and you find a different group after.  I just have to vent about it sometimes.

Honestly, it sounds like you two are the score obsessed players.

Not really, I just like to actually get some kills.  I don't play the game to watch someone demolish the whole area with a god mode weapon, I play to actually play.  It doesn't bother me in gold, there are so many enemies pouring in from everywhere that it makes it a moot point.  Silver is another story, though.  And like I said, some classes like the vorcha rely on kills to do better damage, so if someone is killing eery enemy I engage then it's hampering my effectiveness.

As for nerfing tacloak, no other weapon does as much damage when you use it.  Even the widows and the GPS take multiple shots to down enemies on gold using cloak, so why kill the power for all guns when it's just one gun that is creating a problem?

[Rodrrigoww]

zenrockoutkast wrote...

RinShepard wrote...

zenrockoutkast wrote...

IFR Deathcrush wrote...

I see what you're saying Zenrockoutcast. That my friend, is frustrating. But that's the epeen factor that no one can get rid of. Happened to me yesterday in a silver game. A kraysae X sniper kept killing my melee targets. Ah well, I figure it was a teenager with issues and moved on to another lobby. Personally I have only a lvl I and I used it solely on my qme. At lvl I, I come normally in 2nd or 3rd playing good support. No one complains about that!

I think they're mostly score obsessed players.  I don't care that much about score, I just like to actually kill the enemies I'm fighting.  It's not like it's limited to the Krysae, either.  I had one match where two players went around with Sabers and cryo rounds and fragged everything in sight (silver, mind you), and another where someone figured out that my heavy melee ALMOST kills most non-scrub enemies so they followed me around the entire match cleaning up all of my kills.  It's not all that bad with most characters, but when I'm a vorcha or krogan it really starts to get on my nerves.

But yeah, you're right, it's not all that bad.  You try to avoid them, you finish out the match, and you find a different group after.  I just have to vent about it sometimes.

Honestly, it sounds like you two are the score obsessed players.

Not really, I just like to actually get some kills.  I don't play the game to watch someone demolish the whole area with a god mode weapon, I play to actually play.  It doesn't bother me in gold, there are so many enemies pouring in from everywhere that it makes it a moot point.  Silver is another story, though.  And like I said, some classes like the vorcha rely on kills to do better damage, so if someone is killing eery enemy I engage then it's hampering my effectiveness.

As for nerfing tacloak, no other weapon does as much damage when you use it.  Even the widows and the GPS take multiple shots to down enemies on gold using cloak, so why kill the power for all guns when it's just one gun that is creating a problem?

Don't play silver , simple , silver is not meant for people with krysae 10 , siper rifle amp V and infi lv 20.That belongs to gold , and even then , if you play U/U/G there wil be more than enough mob for you to care about.

[joker_jack]

Rodrrigoww wrote...

zenrockoutkast wrote...

RinShepard wrote...

zenrockoutkast wrote...

IFR Deathcrush wrote...

I see what you're saying Zenrockoutcast. That my friend, is frustrating. But that's the epeen factor that no one can get rid of. Happened to me yesterday in a silver game. A kraysae X sniper kept killing my melee targets. Ah well, I figure it was a teenager with issues and moved on to another lobby. Personally I have only a lvl I and I used it solely on my qme. At lvl I, I come normally in 2nd or 3rd playing good support. No one complains about that!

I think they're mostly score obsessed players.  I don't care that much about score, I just like to actually kill the enemies I'm fighting.  It's not like it's limited to the Krysae, either.  I had one match where two players went around with Sabers and cryo rounds and fragged everything in sight (silver, mind you), and another where someone figured out that my heavy melee ALMOST kills most non-scrub enemies so they followed me around the entire match cleaning up all of my kills.  It's not all that bad with most characters, but when I'm a vorcha or krogan it really starts to get on my nerves.

But yeah, you're right, it's not all that bad.  You try to avoid them, you finish out the match, and you find a different group after.  I just have to vent about it sometimes.

Honestly, it sounds like you two are the score obsessed players.

Not really, I just like to actually get some kills.  I don't play the game to watch someone demolish the whole area with a god mode weapon, I play to actually play.  It doesn't bother me in gold, there are so many enemies pouring in from everywhere that it makes it a moot point.  Silver is another story, though.  And like I said, some classes like the vorcha rely on kills to do better damage, so if someone is killing eery enemy I engage then it's hampering my effectiveness.

As for nerfing tacloak, no other weapon does as much damage when you use it.  Even the widows and the GPS take multiple shots to down enemies on gold using cloak, so why kill the power for all guns when it's just one gun that is creating a problem?

Don't play silver , simple , silver is not meant for people with krysae 10 , siper rifle amp V and infi lv 20.That belongs to gold , and even then , if you play U/U/G there wil be more than enough mob for you to care about.

That still won't stop people from saying the gun is op. For the nerfer's, if it's not the bw, it's op or complete garbage.

[GodlessPaladin]

kr3g wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

kr3g wrote... Thats perfect solution, don't you think?

  I wouldn't use it.

You want to stay it untouched?

Just because I don't like your change doesn't mean I don't think it can and should be changed for the better.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 10 juin 2012 - 11:52 .

[BabyfaceAssassin]

It is strange to see how people in "this" community are asking to nerf weapons, skills, gear & equipment in a co-op only multiplayer mode.

You all won't get more credits or XP for beating gold with everything nerfed.

It would make more sense if people asked to buff items instead and ask for a platinum mode that gives out more credits & XP. People who are looking for challenge can always play gold without spending all their skill points.

Bioware is nerfing everything so much that people are loosing interest in MP. Out of my 18 friends who originally played MP, only 1 remains... :-/

Think Bioware, think... you have a great game, so please don't ruin it for the majority of your fans.

[zenrockoutkast]

Rodrrigoww wrote...

zenrockoutkast wrote...

RinShepard wrote...

zenrockoutkast wrote...

IFR Deathcrush wrote...

I see what you're saying Zenrockoutcast. That my friend, is frustrating. But that's the epeen factor that no one can get rid of. Happened to me yesterday in a silver game. A kraysae X sniper kept killing my melee targets. Ah well, I figure it was a teenager with issues and moved on to another lobby. Personally I have only a lvl I and I used it solely on my qme. At lvl I, I come normally in 2nd or 3rd playing good support. No one complains about that!

I think they're mostly score obsessed players.  I don't care that much about score, I just like to actually kill the enemies I'm fighting.  It's not like it's limited to the Krysae, either.  I had one match where two players went around with Sabers and cryo rounds and fragged everything in sight (silver, mind you), and another where someone figured out that my heavy melee ALMOST kills most non-scrub enemies so they followed me around the entire match cleaning up all of my kills.  It's not all that bad with most characters, but when I'm a vorcha or krogan it really starts to get on my nerves.

But yeah, you're right, it's not all that bad.  You try to avoid them, you finish out the match, and you find a different group after.  I just have to vent about it sometimes.

Honestly, it sounds like you two are the score obsessed players.

Not really, I just like to actually get some kills.  I don't play the game to watch someone demolish the whole area with a god mode weapon, I play to actually play.  It doesn't bother me in gold, there are so many enemies pouring in from everywhere that it makes it a moot point.  Silver is another story, though.  And like I said, some classes like the vorcha rely on kills to do better damage, so if someone is killing eery enemy I engage then it's hampering my effectiveness.

As for nerfing tacloak, no other weapon does as much damage when you use it.  Even the widows and the GPS take multiple shots to down enemies on gold using cloak, so why kill the power for all guns when it's just one gun that is creating a problem?

Don't play silver , simple , silver is not meant for people with krysae 10 , siper rifle amp V and infi lv 20.That belongs to gold , and even then , if you play U/U/G there wil be more than enough mob for you to care about.

I don't use the Krysae, I'm complaining about people who abuse it in silver.  I don't play gold very often because I spec my characters more for having fun and playing in unique ways than for straight-up optimization.  I don't think my close-range, melee- centric vorcha would fare too well in gold.

[GodlessPaladin]

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

It is strange to see how people in "this" community are asking to nerf weapons, skills, gear & equipment in a co-op only multiplayer mode.

You all won't get more credits or XP for beating gold with everything nerfed.

It would make more sense if people asked to buff items instead and ask for a platinum mode that gives out more credits & XP. People who are looking for challenge can always play gold without spending all their skill points.

  What doesn't make sense is people whose primary motivation to continue playing a game is to earn virtual rewards which can only be used in said game.  That's simply an addiction to a reward schedule.  The rest of us actually need an engaging experience.

Bioware is nerfing everything so much that people are loosing interest in MP. Out of my 18 friends who originally played MP, only 1 remains... :-/

Think Bioware, think... you have a great game, so please don't ruin it for the majority of your fans.

A bandwagon appeal that doesn't actually have majority support.  classy.

Bioware is nerfing everything so much that people are loosing
interest in MP. Out of my 18 friends who originally played MP, only 1
remains... :-/

  Funny, and here I've had the same experience with the majority of other games a few months after they're released, whether they change the balance or not.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 11 juin 2012 - 12:06 .

[landylan]

noooooooooooooooooooooooo.....if you give it one bullet in a clip, it will only work on infiltrators

[IFR Deathcrush]

RinShepard, I think you misunderstood or are just being dense. I couldn't care less about score, friend. I'm not the one posting videos of me breaking 200k, complaining weapons are op because I get high scores, boasting about carrying other players cause they suck and can't compete with my geth infiltrator.

Also, I am not the one kicking players for using certain classes or weapons, for having low N7 levels or for the multitudes of other things people whine about on here. Did you misread my posts and think I said " people stole my kills nerf the weeeeaaaaappppoooonssss!", or were you content to just read into my playful comment and try and reply with a "gotcha!" Sentence?

Tell me, do you see my name on any of the threads complaining to high heaven about every little thing in this game? No? So please, help me understand where in my post did you see any hatred or talk of score hogging?

Huh, maybe you missed the part where I said I play support roles. Holy balls, we all know support roles net huge points!

Anyway, I'm not an elite in this game, I rarely hit top score. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

[BabyfaceAssassin]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

It is strange to see how people in "this" community are asking to nerf weapons, skills, gear & equipment in a co-op only multiplayer mode.

You all won't get more credits or XP for beating gold with everything nerfed.

It would make more sense if people asked to buff items instead and ask for a platinum mode that gives out more credits & XP. People who are looking for challenge can always play gold without spending all their skill points.

Bioware is nerfing everything so much that people are loosing interest in MP. Out of my 18 friends who originally played MP, only 1 remains... :-/

Think Bioware, think... you have a great game, so please don't ruin it for the majority of your fans.

A bandwagon appeal that doesn't actually have majority support.  classy.

Bioware is nerfing everything so much that people are loosing
interest in MP. Out of my 18 friends who originally played MP, only 1
remains... :-/

  Funny, and here I've had the same experience with the majority of other games a few months after they're released, whether they change the balance or not.

What are you talking about? They have access to all the data on users & games played. They can see that I speak the truth regarding my friends.

I love ME, but it's really unfortunate that  so many people are dropping it.

[Mal3fact0r]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

  What doesn't make sense is people whose primary motivation to continue playing a game is to earn virtual rewards which can only be used in said game.  That's simply an addiction to a reward schedule.

It kind of does make sense, since the game and the store are designed that way. Carrot on a stick or a "loot treadmill". I'd imagine that people generally play for fun, and part of that fun is getting new and more powerful items for your characters, there's a pretty huge industry built around the same ideas (MMORPGs).

[GodlessPaladin]

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

It is strange to see how people in "this" community are asking to nerf weapons, skills, gear & equipment in a co-op only multiplayer mode.

You all won't get more credits or XP for beating gold with everything nerfed.

It would make more sense if people asked to buff items instead and ask for a platinum mode that gives out more credits & XP. People who are looking for challenge can always play gold without spending all their skill points.

Bioware is nerfing everything so much that people are loosing interest in MP. Out of my 18 friends who originally played MP, only 1 remains... :-/

Think Bioware, think... you have a great game, so please don't ruin it for the majority of your fans.

A bandwagon appeal that doesn't actually have majority support.  classy.

Bioware is nerfing everything so much that people are loosing
interest in MP. Out of my 18 friends who originally played MP, only 1
remains... :-/

  Funny, and here I've had the same experience with the majority of other games a few months after they're released, whether they change the balance or not.

What are you talking about? They have access to all the data on users & games played. They can see that I speak the truth regarding my friends.

I love ME, but it's really unfortunate that  so many people are dropping it.

What are YOU talking about?

-Your friends are not "the majority."  In fact, the largest sample size group you've identified disagrees with your much smaller sample size group according to your own statements.
-Bioware does not actually collect data which would determine whether your friends left because of "nerfs" or not.
-People lose interest in games once they exasperate their content.  Mass Effect does not have enough content to really sustain interest for a very long period of time.  This is not unique to Mass Effect and the population diminishing over time is not evidence of people being "driven off by changes."

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 11 juin 2012 - 12:17 .

[Annelos]

Yes, yes! Imagine the pleasure of participating in the 4xInfiltrator wielding Krysae match!

Wave1: KABOOM.
Wave2:KABOOM
Wave3:KABOOM
.....
Wave10:KABOOM

Yet again, 75k in the pockets, you show all the non-inf non-Krysae noobs how this game should be played. Just hit the fire button like there was no tomorrow, watch everything die and your score board

Seriously speaking, I feel sorry for all the people that need to wield this seriously imbalanced, OP weapon to milk the Gold games and ruin the challenge for all the competent players. Sure it's developers fault that such a weapon went available with that stats (tbh exploding sniper rifle was a terrible idea since the same beginning as sniper rifles tend to own the field already) but in the end players decide if they are going to use - many decide to not go the easy way.

[FistOfSyn]

Why is that everyone says it's op? I tried to use it on my Salarian infiltrator but I felt that it was weak.. used to shoot at brutes while cloaked with it and sometimes it used to do like only one or two bars of damage to it.. Feels like it sucks against armor

[Mal3fact0r]

Annelos wrote...

Yes, yes! Imagine the pleasure of participating in the 4xInfiltrator wielding Krysae match!

Wave1: KABOOM.
Wave2:KABOOM
Wave3:KABOOM
.....
Wave10:KABOOM

Yet again, 75k in the pockets, you show all the non-inf non-Krysae noobs how this game should be played. Just hit the fire button like there was no tomorrow, watch everything die and your score board

Seriously speaking, I feel sorry for all the people that need to wield this seriously imbalanced, OP weapon to milk the Gold games and ruin the challenge for all the competent players. Sure it's developers fault that such a weapon went available with that stats (tbh exploding sniper rifle was a terrible idea since the same beginning as sniper rifles tend to own the field already) but in the end players decide if they are going to use - many decide to not go the easy way.

I don't particularly care one way or another if they nerf the Krysae a bit, or into uselesness, but what you describe isn't much different than say,  4 people playing grenade wielding classes rushing the spawns and obliterating them in seconds.

[JiceDuresh]

So crunching some numbers from the 'Changes thread' stickied at the top of this forum. There were Approximately 119 buffs to weapons and powers since the start of multiplayer. This accounts for some double buffs such as eagle going up twice.

There were approximately 34 Nerfs. This includes fixes for things that were not intended such as Prime's having heads and the harriers level X weight. Also in this I've included Enemy buffs since thoes are technically nerfs to you.

So with that kind of ratio it's about 3.42 buffs per every nerf.

If your friends left because of all the 'Nerfing' going on, they can't do math.

Modifié par JiceDuresh, 11 juin 2012 - 12:27 .

[Gordo Schumway]

Mal3fact0r wrote...

Annelos wrote...

Yes, yes! Imagine the pleasure of participating in the 4xInfiltrator wielding Krysae match!

Wave1: KABOOM.
Wave2:KABOOM
Wave3:KABOOM
.....
Wave10:KABOOM

Yet again, 75k in the pockets, you show all the non-inf non-Krysae noobs how this game should be played. Just hit the fire button like there was no tomorrow, watch everything die and your score board

Seriously speaking, I feel sorry for all the people that need to wield this seriously imbalanced, OP weapon to milk the Gold games and ruin the challenge for all the competent players. Sure it's developers fault that such a weapon went available with that stats (tbh exploding sniper rifle was a terrible idea since the same beginning as sniper rifles tend to own the field already) but in the end players decide if they are going to use - many decide to not go the easy way.

I don't particularly care one way or another if they nerf the Krysae a bit, or into uselesness, but what you describe isn't much different than say,  4 people playing grenade wielding classes rushing the spawns and obliterating them in seconds.

Which is actually pretty fun once in a while. Just like the op Krysae.

[Zero132132]

FistOfSyn wrote...

Why is that everyone says it's op? I tried to use it on my Salarian infiltrator but I felt that it was weak.. used to shoot at brutes while cloaked with it and sometimes it used to do like only one or two bars of damage to it.. Feels like it sucks against armor

That's what I always say too. It sucks against the non-basic enemies, and it takes a few shots to take down the easiest enemies. The only thing is that with the AoE damage, it can hurt a lot of them at once. I don't think it's a great gun. I've only seen a few people use it effectively.

[Gordo Schumway]

@Godless: Wait a minute, aren't you a member of the official No Nerfducks group? I smell something fishy going on.

[R3DD0T]

The problem is not the guns needing nerfs in general but the infiltrators spamming cloak for every damn shot op. They should replace damage bonus with damage reduction for them since it's an evade power. It's just not fair for players who actually use skill to play the game than just someone camping in a corner stealing kills spamming cloak all the time for insane damage bonus. To fix this they should give all classes this bonus in one way or another to be even Steven.

[ghostbooty]

Right now the Kyrsae is all the rage. So is the Reegar Carbine and the Harrier, to a lesser extent (because its Ultra Rare). All this flaming about buffs and nerfs will more than likely quiet down in a few weeks when the novelty has worn off and everyone goes back to just using Black Widows, Claymores, and Geth Plasma Shotguns.

I've complained a lot recently about the lack of spare ammo for the Harrier. I'd love to see it increased but I doubt it will happen. You want the Kyrsae nerfed? I want the Harrier buffed. We all have our issues. Life goes on.


-Matt C.-

[BabyfaceAssassin]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

BabyfaceAssassin wrote...

It is strange to see how people in "this" community are asking to nerf weapons, skills, gear & equipment in a co-op only multiplayer mode.

You all won't get more credits or XP for beating gold with everything nerfed.

It would make more sense if people asked to buff items instead and ask for a platinum mode that gives out more credits & XP. People who are looking for challenge can always play gold without spending all their skill points.

Bioware is nerfing everything so much that people are loosing interest in MP. Out of my 18 friends who originally played MP, only 1 remains... :-/

Think Bioware, think... you have a great game, so please don't ruin it for the majority of your fans.

A bandwagon appeal that doesn't actually have majority support.  classy.

Bioware is nerfing everything so much that people are loosing
interest in MP. Out of my 18 friends who originally played MP, only 1
remains... :-/

  Funny, and here I've had the same experience with the majority of other games a few months after they're released, whether they change the balance or not.

What are you talking about? They have access to all the data on users & games played. They can see that I speak the truth regarding my friends.

I love ME, but it's really unfortunate that  so many people are dropping it.

What are YOU talking about?

-Your friends are not "the majority."  In fact, the largest sample size group you've identified disagrees with your much smaller sample size group according to your own statements.
-Bioware does not actually collect data which would determine whether your friends left because of "nerfs" or not.
-People lose interest in games once they exasperate their content.  Mass Effect does not have enough content to really sustain interest for a very long period of time.  This is not unique to Mass Effect and the population diminishing over time is not evidence of people being "driven off by changes."

I'm pretty sure that the people on my list DO reflect the masses since people are dropping this game pretty fast (on Xbox according to Major Nelson).
...and YES Bioware does have data that shows how many people play ME and how often. It can't be too hard to do pulls after every "Tuesday's Nerfing updates" to see if the number of games played increased or dropped.
Finally, feel free to play Gold without using any skill points since you seem to be such a defender of "Nerfing all things"