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[Timortis]

Another random encounter that was mentioned, the one with 3 archers and 3 melee in the Brecilian. Once again, this is much easier for a Rogue, but is also doable for a Warrior with no potions.

I move up the hill and behind the archers, pull 2 of the melee with me and kill them, the yellow one is already out. The rest is easy.

Modifié par Timortis, 03 février 2010 - 09:25 .

[soteria]

That fight is only remotely difficult after the archers get Scattershot. I understand people's complaints with it in that situation, although a decently built mage should be able to handle three archers without trouble.

[Random70]

Timortis wrote...
With Zathrian for example (I usually kill him after I kill Witherfang), I LoSed him around the pillar in the room, and restealthed constantly because there's not enough room to get range in that fight. I am however wondering what I can do against Gaxkang, since bows don't have runeslots. I could at best get something like 40% spell resist, which wouldn't be enough. I may have to melee him, I don't know.

Gaxkang is not too bad, actually, as Ice & Spirit balms keep his damage to manageable levels. Curse of Mortality is the turd in the punchbowl here, but if you can resist it the rest is pretty straight forward.

[Timortis]

Soteria, I've never run into it when the archers didn't have Scattershot, but it's a pretty difficult fight for a solo Warrior.

A lot of encounters that are trivial with Mage CC can be very difficult for solo characters, though not so much for Rogues, thanks to stealth.

Modifié par Timortis, 03 février 2010 - 10:31 .

[soteria]

Yeah, I've never soloed. It just doesn't appeal to me, and honestly I guess I don't know what fights would be especially challenging for a solo character. I think 3/4 times I've done it, they didn't have scattershot. Seems like that one usually happens to me around Brecilian Forest, and that's one of the first places I tend to go. They're a real pushover right around level 9 or 10.

[knownastherat]

Dont remeber if I used pots, but getting behind the tree took few secs:

http://img192.images.../magictree.jpg/

Modifié par knownastherat, 03 février 2010 - 11:47 .

[Timortis]

Wow, awesome, you used the same strat as I do. I love that tree! Yeah, with a Warrior you get stunned on the way a couple of times but you have to keep running. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png

[knownastherat]

Tried to get bellow the cliff the archers stand on? Looked like a good spot, but they slaughtered me there

Modifié par knownastherat, 04 février 2010 - 12:05 .

[Timortis]

Yeah, I tried that, they kept shooting. 

[Dogmeatvn]

Timortis wrote...

Kiting Gazarath, that one was close!

@Tirmotis: Been following this thread for quite a long time and admire your progress so far, this is the first time I feel I may have some contributiton to soloing career.

Solo Gazarath with out potions is not difficult, if you don't mind being a coward. After you summon him at the top of the clip, atract his attention and run south right away. There is a small pond on the left side, near by some fence. If you run around the pond, very close to the water, Gaz will have very hard time to catch up with you. The tricky point here is, you can run very close to the border of the water but Gaz has to glide around and travel on top of some rock. Therefore he'll have to travell wider and further distance than you do. At some point you'll be further than him more than half of the pond, that's when he stops and change direction, try to catch you head on. You can use your bow and shoot him 1or 2 times and run around again. Using bow and normal arrow, I hit him 10, 12 damage each time.

I believe, if play as a mage, there is a spot he can not reach where you can safely stand and winter graps him due to the LOS is not requried for this spell.

I did this last night with a rogue and only got hit 3,4 times in total. IMO, it's much safer than try to Dual sweep him. If you Sweep him, you have to engage him in melee, and there's big chance that he'll leap, slam or fire blast you to hell.

I'm playing on PS3 and therefore don't have screenshot to upload.

Of course, this is a trick exploiting the terran in the game. One can say this is no better than exploiting the barrels with the orge fight in the tower but I feel, in extreme case ( soloing without pots), everything is acceptable. You have to do anything to survive. That's how the rogue fight, anyway. Besides, this pond is quite similar to the "magic tree" that Tirmotis use in his random encounter in the forest.

Modifié par Dogmeatvn, 04 février 2010 - 01:39 .

[Timortis]

Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out if I ever do that fight again but at this point it doesn't seem likely. The "magic tree" is different in that it's not really a terrain exploit. Some archers in the game seem to be tethered in place to prevent you from pulling them, which in turn means they never follow you when you LoS them.

For anyone interested, the no potion game has gone very smoothly and I did the defense of Redcliffe and killed Connor, then went to the Brecilian and killed Witherfang and Zathrian and reached level 14.

Modifié par Timortis, 04 février 2010 - 04:17 .

[Dogmeatvn]

How did you kill the emissary in Kocari? I can not do it without potions. Did you use traps? Or did you outlast him with ranged attach to avoid spell?

[Timortis]

The caster? If you shoot at him from max range he doesn't cast spells.

[dkjestrup]

Hey, sorry, but my computer isn't loading the photos. How exactly did you kill Uldred?

[Dogmeatvn]

I was thinking same. I did the caster in the tower this way several times but always forget when I see that bloody emissary on the Kocari's bridge. It seems there's a urge in me to melee him, does not know why :-)

[Timortis]

dkjestrup, I killed Uldred with traps.

[dkjestrup]

Oh right. Stealth first, I take it.

[Timortis]

I reached level 16 with the no potion Rogue, some screenshots.

Fight with Connor's Demon:

Modifié par Timortis, 05 février 2010 - 02:07 .

[Timortis]

Witherfang and Zathrian:

[Timortis]

Someone asked about this encounter with the wolves. I don't know if it's how they're scripted but they always seem to start chain overwhelming after you fight them for a little bit, so if you kill them really fast, you can avoid that unpleasant situation. I used a bomb here, but you don't necessarily have to if you have an AoE like Whirlwind, which I didn't. Also, with a Rogue, you can actually stealth and move behind the rock on my left to kill 3 of them there, then pull the rest 1 by 1 if you have no bombs or AoE or don't want to use them.

[Timortis]

Jarvia:

[Random70]

Well done!



You're exactly right about the wolf encounter. The 'stealth + rocks' bit works like a charm.



Have you attempted either of the dragons yet? You had expressed concern over doing this 'potless' a couple of pages back but it has occurred to me that it might be doable.



1) I'm sure you're aware of the 'attack the back leg' strategy. Doing this you're still going to get kicked after a couple attacks and possibly tail slapped if you take the wrong angle which will quickly add up to death. However, Rose Thorn + Lifegiver gives you +4 HP regen so you should be able to keep circling the dragon while your gear heals you after you get beat up. The two unknowns are 1) whether she'll turn to engage you if your not attacking and 2) how strong a stomach you have for tedium



2) When battling the High Dragon you know there's that little bridge section you can stand on where she can't get at you physically. She will still use fireballs however which is no good. Instead of standing on the bridge, position yourself just off the end. At this point, instead of fireballing you she will attempt to fly to the other side to attack physically. While she's airborne, simply run to the other end of the bridge and pop her with an arrow or two when she lands. After one or two attacks, she'll again try to fly over to get you physically and will keep doing this indefinitely as far as I can tell.



Two problems with doing this: 1) Depending on your viewpoint, this could either be 'tactical use of terrain' or 'exploiting dumb AI' and 2) It would take approximately forever and a day to bring her down



I haven't attempted either of these strats personally, so I can't vouch for their efficacy beyond a theoretical standpoint. Just throwing out a few ideas.

[The DeaDLigh7s]

I have a newfound respect for 2h warriors. I took the same route as you, Timortis and started my journey beginning with the Circle Tower. Things began to be a little bit easier after I've gotten sweep after running through the fade. Took about five reloads to defeat Uldred. I was bombing the hell out of him but really the pure strength of my warrior through his specials were doing a number on him. I have one other character that is a 2h warrior but after defeating Uldred solo on nightmare I've realized how powerful a 2h warrior can really be.

[Timortis]

Random, no I haven't attempted the dragons. I would have, but my computer blew up last night as I was killing cultists. My soloing attempts are on hold for a while. I don't have a problem cheesing the dragon encounters though, since that's pretty much the only way I can see of beating them without potions for any character that's not a Mage.

Knownastherat also mentioned a way of arrowing the high dragon to death without getting firebombed, maybe he'll chime in, I wonder if he was talking about your method or something else. The "keep circling while regen" strat you mentioned is something I've also been thinking about, and is one reason I built this Rogue to wear heavier armor. Evon's is +1 more regen. I meleed the Broodmother with no potions with my cunning Rogue in this gear, and the regen made a noticeable difference.

I also kept Ruck alive, which means gold allowing, I can make a lot of acid traps and I don't think either dragon is immune to nature damage.

Modifié par Timortis, 05 février 2010 - 08:30 .

[knownastherat]

Was the choice to side with Zathrian pragmatic one in a sense he would be easier? Just curious. I found killing him easier most of the time, once even with a bow because I could not be bothered *shrugs*

The wolves encounter is a mystery to me. The chain overwhelm seems to be dependent on level, timing, maybe even a spot or something else. In this spot for example:

http://img300.images...ooverwhelm.jpg

I was never overwhelmed in 3 consecutive plays as mage, DW warrior and 2h warrior. It does not prove anything but perhaps worth considering.

Random70 is correct, #2 works There are probably several spots like that which can be used to abuse her AI/targeting/body mass by alternating 2 positions. Personally I use different spot:

http://img18.imagesh...slayerbow.jpg/

running up and downhill firing one or two shots in each location. Takes time, its boring, but it gets the job done. The High Dragon is vulnerable to nature damage, Flemeth not sure.

Modifié par knownastherat, 06 février 2010 - 02:34 .