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[The Angry One]

Well as we know in the world of Dragon Age attitudes are considerably less sexist than in real life, even today. While the majority of the armies are made up by men, women who are capable of fighting are welcome and treated as equals. Loghain and the King's armies in particular had a fair few women.
And we know it's not something peculiar to Ferelden, what with a fraction of Orlesian Chevaliers being women.

Which brings us to Redcliffe, where first the Mayor is surprised they make women Grey Wardens, then you find out every single woman is to stay hiding in the Chantry like the weaklings they are. How.. jarring.
Now yes, different regions, different customs, obviously. But it's still somewhat irritating. I might even accept it if we say that the men concentrate on fighting here so the women are inexperienced.. but then you can have Lloyd fight outside too. Lloyd! An overweight, unfit, unskilled bartender!
And Eamon's the guy Alistair wants to put on the throne. I wager we'd be back in the dark(er) ages with him in charge. Say what you want about Loghain, at least he's progressive!

Teagan is of course blameless in this whole thing, attempt to implicate him at your peril.

[westiex9]

But what has Eamon actually said or done to make you think hes sexist?

[Adria Teksuni]

Teagan has his own ultra talented death maiden squad, they just happened to be ogre hunting in the west when all this happened.



But just look who Eamon married. Total trophy wife. Supporting a bastard for the kingship because it "upholds the royal line"? Bosh. He just didn't want Anora to get the throne and have to bend knee to a ruling queen.



Say what you want about Loghain, his commanding officer was a chick.

[The Angry One]

westiex9 wrote...

But what has Eamon actually said or done to make you think hes sexist?

I'm speaking of how the people under his rulership live and act, and unlike Loghain or Cailan, none of his soldiers or knights are female.. and all of his castle servants are.

[Adria Teksuni]

What cinched it for me was when he told my human femnoble to fetch his slippers and pipe.



What a pig.

[Servant of Nature]

He's probably overcompensating because Rowan got to go off and rule the country while he got some castle out in hillbilly territory.

[westiex9]

true but that doesnt make his character sexist and besides most of his soldiers are away questing or were killed during the Redcliffe castle mayhem so there could have been female soldiers and knights we don't see

[menasure]

do women really fight that much in real life? i know i know it is supposed to be fantasy ... but so is "politically correct" idealism.

as for women in the grey wardens: there is a very good specific reason which you can find when you travel to the deep roads and as for the chantry: the most common ones are matriarchal, you can find the other side in haven though. more explanation about it is in one of the codexes there.

Modifié par menasure, 12 décembre 2009 - 07:12 .

[Adria Teksuni]

Depends on what country you're in, menasure. For example, in the United States military, women are prohibited from ground combat. In Israel, they are not.

[Rainen89]

Sexism seems to be more covert rather, every woman you save is still "helpless" dwarven society and Leliana's tales indicate that there's been movements of a revolution to change this way of thinking, however it's not close to all the way yet. Naturally there are figures of power who are women, and Denerim has female soldiers, but not too much. All the dwarven fighters were male, despite claims of the "silent sisters". All redcliffe soldiers seemed to be male. Dalish were male/female. Magi were practically unisex.



TLDR It seems in the timeline of Dragon age there's a movement going on for more equality especially in terms of fit for duty, however it's not all the way there yet. Also Zevran > Teagan.

[Adria Teksuni]

I agree that yes, overall, women still tend to be the underdogs, combatively speaking. The evidence for change is there; Ser Cauthrien, Anora, the fact that only women can be Chantry priests, the fight for female Chevaliers as told by Lei, and, of course, if you play a femward.



Ser Cauthrien may have been Uberbiotch Deluxe, but she was an awesome one.

[Rainen89]

Don't forget Jarvia! "It doesn't matter who's king, as long as there's a queen!"

[LynxAQ]

Teagan is having an affair with Isolde. Its clear and rumours persist that Connor may be Teagans son and not Eamans!

[Serenity84]

Adria Teksuni wrote...
For example, in the United States military, women are prohibited from ground combat.

Officially, yes. They can't join frontline infantry, armor or artillery units.

Unofficially, it's a bit different. They can be military police, which is usually nothing but light infantry these days and used for such things as reconnaissance and convoy escorts. As medics, they can also be involved in ground combat (even more so in other countries like Great Britain where they are more common on patrols). Supply units are a prime target - especially in assymetrical wars. In Iraq, female Marines were used at checkpoints and during house searches to deal with other women. It's mostly politicians who try to prevent it, but reality interferes with that a bit.
Aside from that, almost all combat aviation jobs are open to women.

And I'd say some European countries are further along with women in combat than Israel. There, women are conscripted, but most serve in support and training units. In combat, they're rare too.

Modifié par Serenity84, 12 décembre 2009 - 07:25 .

[Rainen89]

Teagan could get Alistair to have an affair with him if he really wanted to.

[menasure]

you are also forgetting shale.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Adria Teksuni wrote...

Teagan has his own ultra talented death maiden squad, they just happened to be ogre hunting in the west when all this happened.

But just look who Eamon married. Total trophy wife. Supporting a bastard for the kingship because it "upholds the royal line"? Bosh. He just didn't want Anora to get the throne and have to bend knee to a ruling queen.

Say what you want about Loghain, his commanding officer was a chick.

Yes, just look who Eamon married. A brainless piece of eyecandy whose function is little more than a heavily decorated womb on two legs. If I was married to that, I'd probably think women were useless too.

I myself would have liked it if Ser Cauthrien was a playable character and a romance option for males (or females). I think she would have made an interesting join.

[Mr7.7]

I was actually suprised by how pc friendly ferelden was.Though it was only a minor annoyance, I was expecting a realistic ,more gritty interpretation of a medieval fantasy setting.Instead we got the usual typical safety gloves pc bull****.

[Ekyri]

The Angry One wrote...

Well as we know in the world of Dragon Age attitudes are considerably less sexist than in real life, even today. While the majority of the armies are made up by men, women who are capable of fighting are welcome and treated as equals. Loghain and the King's armies in particular had a fair few women.
And we know it's not something peculiar to Ferelden, what with a fraction of Orlesian Chevaliers being women.

Which brings us to Redcliffe, where first the Mayor is surprised they make women Grey Wardens, then you find out every single woman is to stay hiding in the Chantry like the weaklings they are. How.. jarring.
Now yes, different regions, different customs, obviously. But it's still somewhat irritating. I might even accept it if we say that the men concentrate on fighting here so the women are inexperienced.. but then you can have Lloyd fight outside too. Lloyd! An overweight, unfit, unskilled bartender!
And Eamon's the guy Alistair wants to put on the throne. I wager we'd be back in the dark(er) ages with him in charge. Say what you want about Loghain, at least he's progressive!

Teagan is of course blameless in this whole thing, attempt to implicate him at your peril.

And you don't understand why Morrigan doesn't want to help Redcliffe, tsk tsk. 

[HarlequinDream]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Adria Teksuni wrote...

Teagan has his own ultra talented death maiden squad, they just happened to be ogre hunting in the west when all this happened.

But just look who Eamon married. Total trophy wife. Supporting a bastard for the kingship because it "upholds the royal line"? Bosh. He just didn't want Anora to get the throne and have to bend knee to a ruling queen.

Say what you want about Loghain, his commanding officer was a chick.

Yes, just look who Eamon married. A brainless piece of eyecandy whose function is little more than a heavily decorated womb on two legs. If I was married to that, I'd probably think women were useless too.

I myself would have liked it if Ser Cauthrien was a playable character and a romance option for males (or females). I think she would have made an interesting join.

I approve of the idea of Ser Cauthrien as a romance option for both genders. My female human mage would be pleased.

One thing I always took into mind with Redcliffe is that all that's really left of their military is the militia, a group of farmers untrained in combat, and their families. We don't know what the forces that originally started battling the undead looked like. You're told several times that a lot, lot, lot of people have been killed, and Redcliffe's down to its bare bones.

[heretica]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Adria Teksuni wrote...

Teagan has his own ultra talented death maiden squad, they just happened to be ogre hunting in the west when all this happened.

But just look who Eamon married. Total trophy wife. Supporting a bastard for the kingship because it "upholds the royal line"? Bosh. He just didn't want Anora to get the throne and have to bend knee to a ruling queen.

Say what you want about Loghain, his commanding officer was a chick.

Yes, just look who Eamon married. A brainless piece of eyecandy whose function is little more than a heavily decorated womb on two legs. If I was married to that, I'd probably think women were useless too.

I myself would have liked it if Ser Cauthrien was a playable character and a romance option for males (or females). I think she would have made an interesting join.

For some reason i think that Loghain and her could have something. It reminds me of the relationship Renly Baratheon and Brienne (this is from a song of ice and fire). Renly was "king" and Brienne was a female knight who was in love with him.

[Servant of Nature]

@Catt128: I doubt it. He does like stronger women, but his heart belongs to someone else, ontop of that I don't think he'd disgrace the memory of his wife, whom he did care for it seems, if not loved. If he did feel something for Cautherien I don't think he'd have acted on it, it could potentially get in the way of his duty, and hers. That's a big no-no for Loghain.

[ReubenLiew]

Teagan is most definitely an equal oppurtunist!

If you let redcliffe die, he's still alive! Not the women, not the children, but Teagan. He believes everybody has the equal right to die before he does!

[heretica]

Servant of Nature wrote...

@Catt128: I doubt it. He does like stronger women, but his heart belongs to someone else, ontop of that I don't think he'd disgrace the memory of his wife, whom he did care for it seems, if not loved. If he did feel something for Cautherien I don't think he'd have acted on it, it could potentially get in the way of his duty, and hers. That's a big no-no for Loghain.

So he has a little heart!!! I knew he was a softy!! 

(I haven't finished reading The Stole Throne :/ )