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[andysdead]

Adria Teksuni wrote...

Depends on what country you're in, menasure. For example, in the United States military, women are prohibited from ground combat. In Israel, they are not.

In Israel, it would be a bad policy to prevent anyone willing from fighting.

[Axterix]

My theory is that the female defenders of the village were accidentally slain by Teagan. I imagine the conversation went something like this:



Mayor: So, errrm, Teagan, while we appreciate your help, we need you to...ermmm...

Knight: defend the defenseless, last line of defense!

Peasant: preverse the noble blood line!

Mayor: yeah, uhm, both of those things. So get into the Chantry and defend and stuff.

Teagan: well, I could try and build another barricade.

Mayor: no, no, that's fine, we got it covered, into the Chantry.

Teagan: But they won't attack during the day, I can help.

Mayor: Best to be safe in case of a sneak attack, yeah, that's the ticket.

Teagan: Okay, that makes sense, I guess.

*Teagan walks off*

Mayor: Thank the Maker that chump is out of our hair.

Knight: Aye, cannot believe he accidentally killed all of the female fighters. Obviously, all the awesome in the family went to Aemon.



This belief is further backed up by the fact that if you don't defend the village, Teagan is the only survivor, having killed most of the people in the Chantry while trying to defend them, and, in so doing, convinced the undead that he was on their side, and hence, left alive.

No. Isolde is Orlesian, and Arl Eamon took a lot of heat from Maric and others for wanting to marry an Orlesian woman and making her an arlessa. If I recall my codex right, she was the daughter of the Orlesian lord who controlled Redcliffe during the occupation, and fell in love with Eamon the defiant freedom fighter during the war.

Yup, and while we love to hate her, I think in a lot of ways, she draws more flack than she should. For example, swap the kid with Duncan and her with Alistair...I could see much the same sort of thing happening. And, for that matter, if the PC chooses to take a trip to the tower to get Lyrium, well, a lot of bad things could have happened before the PC got back, so the PC could easily be as stupid, without even being able to plead family.



If she had a sexy Leliana voice instead of the Teagaaaaan thing...

[menasure]

well i'd say: it's plain wrong to assume sexism in the story by itself because these notions are mere projection out of a personal feeling ... things are what they are for a reason ... more precisely about tens of thousands of years of evolution... if you call that sexist then i just say: think again because it is not like Ferelden is anywhere near a modern society.

however if i were ruler in a fight for survival i would call on everyone who can hold a weapon to fight for their lives, which includes elders, women and children. there is just that much at stake with an enemy who for all you know is only out for total annihilation. it's not like you can reason with the average undead ... you kill them or you become one yourself.

[Darthnemesis2]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Yes, just look who Eamon married. A brainless piece of eyecandy whose function is little more than a heavily decorated womb on two legs. If I was married to that, I'd probably think women were useless too.

Funniest thing I've read in a while.

[Original182]

While some women here are overly concerned about their plight, we elves and dwarves have been treated like less than dirt. Oh woe is me, some dude asked me to fetch his slippers and pipe, we women face a plight worse than anyone else.

And it's hard to take a "femnoble" seriously about being treated like a servant, when there are elven servants being treated badly in her own estate, and the femnoble did nothing.

Suck it up, we casteless dwarves and city elves have to deal with this for generations. Your brief inconvenience is insignificant when compared to us.

[Maria Caliban]

andysdead wrote...

Adria Teksuni wrote...

Depends on what country you're in, menasure. For example, in the United States military, women are prohibited from ground combat. In Israel, they are not.

In Israel, it would be a bad policy to prevent anyone willing from fighting.

In Redcliffe, it would be a worse policy to prevent anyone willing from fighting.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 13 décembre 2009 - 07:01 .

[Vormaerin]

The Angry One wrote...
True to some extent, but in my opinion it's also due to long held psychological traditions that bring up men as fighters and women as servile. I fully believe in the realism of a world such as Thedas where these traditions have been tossed aside, to certain extents.

There are doubtless some psychological/cultural factors in the willingness to engage in violence, but no one is denying that some women would be warriors.   But that division of labor did not arise by accident.  There are distinct physiological differences make men better suited for the hunter/warrior role in general.   It is unreasonable to expect that women would make up the proportion of the military that they do of the population.

There's a lot of idiocy in the planning and execution of the Redcliffe defense, but having most of the the women and children not involved in the defense isn't really one of them.  No one tells you that you and your party that women can't fight in the defense.   Considering that the villagers can't even equip the men decently, its not like they have gear for the women.

[interesting03]

All this Lloyd hate is unfair(though, he is a pig). The man charges at the undead with an iron dagger and no armour. That's more than you can say for those cowardly longbow equipped, leather-clad militiamen who die in one hit.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Yes, because Eamon is sexist obviously he is soooo much worse of a guy than Loghain.

[heretica]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Yes, because Eamon is sexist obviously he is soooo much worse of a guy than Loghain.

Am I the only one who likes Loghain? 

[magor1988x]

Wasn't the first ruler Eamon supported a Queen... So how could his being against Anora having to do with her parts?



People read way too much into this. Eamon supported the Rebel Queen Moira before supporting Maric. So if he has no problem with Queens he's just a Royalist who likes to stick to bloodlines over substance. Also, Alistair has a lot of good qualities to him that if properly nurtured would make a good and very popular king.

[T0paze]

That doesn't really matter.

The whole 'political correctness' in Ferelden is a purely artificial feature, implemented so that the game would not offend the players (read: reduce the profits). Game developers are not writers, they have to make certain sacrifices to sell their games.

Modifié par T0paze, 13 décembre 2009 - 08:50 .

[Foxd1e]

Arl Eamon is not a sexist he has a female knight in his troops, you find her on the second floor of the inn in Lothering, she states how she is looking for the Urn and was getting ready to ask the Revered Mother about it after a round or two. Apparently she didn't know about the other 2 visiting knights(well 1 technically).

[Lotion Soronarr]

Danakir wrote...

Pennoyer wrote...

Women are physically weaker than men and have a more important role as child bearers. Not really surprising that they would be kept from battle. Not sexism. Just reality.

I see what you're trying to say there, but the way you said it is... unfortunate in its implications.

However, since when are human logical creatures? It is a bit odd that you can't convince healthy adult women tp fight but that you can convince a pudgy, selfish and untrained bartender who's also most likely out of shape to do just that.

Is there really not a single woman in the village that knows how to use a bow? That seems a bit too much. Really, I can see the logic of their actions, but it's got implications that are less than savory, which is probably why people aren't pleased.

Yeah. Could have phrased it better. Also note that the village has more pople than the few shown fighting. Engine limitations and stuff like that. That's why you don't see 1000 soldiers duking it out with 2000 darkspawn.

That said, woman and men have different bilogy iwht differnet pros and cons. That's comons sense and self-evident and it's irrational t odeny it.
It just so happens that the mens advantages are better suites for combat. In that regard, men have a definite advantage. Woman that train hard can close that gap and be decent enough soldiers...BUT if a man trains hard..that gup is still there.
In other words, a woman can be a decent fighter, but you'll never see a woman in elite units. There, every advantage counts and men just happen to have more of them in that regard.

Spongecakes wrote...

Men tend to act irrationally (or
perfectly rational depending on how you look at it) when confronted
with women in distress (I call it the White Knight syndrome).
I believe it's part of the reason why most countries don't send their female combatants to the front lines.

Yup. The old instincts to protect kick in. Studies have shown that in mixed units, men are prone to exposing themselves to danger more often. And in general, the unit effectiveness drops.

Also, when given the same training regime as men, the number of injuries for women skyrockets. They have to strain themselves more to achieve the same results, so are more injury prone. And back injuries are the most common ones (very nasty imho.)

That aid, put a woman in a defensive position ang give her a sniper rifle (or a bow and arrow) and she'll do just as good as any man

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 13 décembre 2009 - 09:43 .

[Maria Caliban]

T0paze wrote...

Game developers are not writers...

One wonders what David, Sheryl, Mary, and Jennifer do all day.

[T0paze]

I mean, writing a real novel and writing a script for a computer game or, in the best case, a tie-in are completely different things.

Modifié par T0paze, 13 décembre 2009 - 01:01 .

[LdyShayna]

T0paze wrote...

I mean, writing a real novel and writing a script for a computer game or, in the best case, a tie-in are completely different things.

David wrote two novels based on this franchise.  And novelists also need to sell books.

Meh.  I suppose I just don't believe they did this out of fear from the audience.  It seems to me from talking to them, they they wrote what they WANTED to write, and in a setting they WANTED to build.

[T0paze]

David wrote two novels based on this franchise.

That's what I meant by tie-ins, actually.

Independent novelists do need to sell their books, but the book publishing industry does not impose so many restrictions on them. As a matter of fact, even in the film industry the situation is much better, at least when it comes to art house films. Videogames are still nowhere near those levels of freedom.


That being said, it's entirely possible that the scriptwriters described what the actually wanted to describe. In that case, I can only say that their intentions were very conveniently in line with the restrictions that the industry would have imposed on them anyway.