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[MichaelStuart]

I see it as a organization that serves no purpose other than to tell people what to think, while get rich off peoples ignorance.

[Vincent Laww]

I perceive the Chantry as Opportunists, they use past incidents to reaffirm their beliefs. They subjugate Mages on account of previous incidents. Though a portion of Tevinter Magisters caused the first blight they believe that all Mages are inherently evil without constant safeguarding. Ultimately, I have a negative perception of the Chantry based on previous happenings.

[Gamer2022]

Their intention at first was good but now after a few events such as the takeover of the elves home the dales which they used lies to make uneducated people fear them and a few power mad templers who are only intrested in killing other then doing their jobs properly and taking part in poltics which is forbidden shows more proof that they now want to reshape the world in their own image.

[Goneaviking]

I like the Chantry.

I don't like the policy of locking up mages, but I can't fault them for their concern about them given the immense power they can wield and the heavy risk of demonic possession faced by untrained mages.

However most of the problems in this regard appear to stem from the Templars rather than the Chantry as a whole. Yes, the Templars answer to the Chantry, but they can't be said to be representative of it given the highly specialised nature of the organisation.

It's worth noting the positive affect the Chantry has had on some of the significant NPCs in the game like Leliana and Sebastian, if for no other reason than to keep in mind that it's not intended to be a onenote anti-mage hate group.

[Windninja47]

Sebastian proved that not all Chantry people are bad guys. I quite like the Chantry.

[hussey 92]

Windninja47 wrote...

Sebastian proved that not all Chantry people are bad guys. I quite like the Chantry.

but he does threaten all of Kirkwall if you don't kill Anders

[Wrathion]

The same way I look upon any Religious Institution with tremendous amounts of political power. With disdain.

[KiwiQuiche]

It's a horrible and corrupt thing and I hope we can erradicate it in DA3. Imprisioning mages just because they 'could' become possessed by demons is competely retarded. It would be like locking up people in jail just because they 'could' become murderers.
That, and I despise any religion that thinks that it is the 'right one' what with them pretty much doing Exalted Marches on the Dales because they worshipped 'false gods'. That isn't totally arrogant or anything right? "My religion is the only one and since you worship a different god we'll attack your people and enslave most of them and treat them like second-class citizens for the rest of age."

I always liked snarking at that priest in Ostagar in DAOrigins though, especially with my Human Noble and Dalish elf XD She pretty much calls you a heathen and tells you to leave if you disagree with her. Ass.

[Dave of Canada]

A religious group which receives more hatred than it deserves by the community because of their hatred of real-life religion.

[hussey 92]

Dave of Canada wrote...

A religious group which receives more hatred than it deserves by the community because of their hatred of real-life religion.

If someone's not big on religion in real life, why would they care for a religious order which uses military (templers) to inforce themselves

Modifié par hussey 92, 13 juin 2012 - 06:33 .

[AndrahilAdrian]

A collection of deluded, moralistic, holier-than-thou totalitarians who ruthlessly persecute anyone remotely different from them and try to cover it up with a veneer of self-righteous, supercilious excuses and appeals to the arbitrary views of an obviously deranged woman who lived a thousand years ago and didn't have any good ideas even then. Even nicer members like Elthina and Leliana are condescending, irrational, convinced of their own righteousness, and so full of stupid that its surprising they don't burst open and cover everyone else in their idiocy. The others are all those things as well, with the addition of utter hypocrisy and ruthlessness, leading them to lock up people with enormous potential productivity out of misguided superstition, turn a blind eye to their dehumanizing mistreatment, and give the key to an army of jailers who they keep hooked on magical heroin because they might see how awful they are and overthrow them, and because they don't like free will in general; after all, it might lead to someone calling them on their bull$&!t. The moment the warden told that self-rightous chantry pustule to stop harrassing that merchant and threatening to sic the templars on him for selling his own damn stuff at his own damn price was more glorious than solving the dwarven succession crisis, curing Eamon, saving the circle, ending the werewolf curse, and killing the archdemon combined. When she told Alistair she did it because she hates the self righteous, I almost kissed my monitor. She will forever be my favorite game character for that glorious b!tchslap. 

 

Modifié par AndrahilAdrian, 13 juin 2012 - 07:41 .

[wsandista]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

A collection of deluded, moralistic, holier-than-thou totalitarians who ruthlessly persecute anyone remotely different from them and try to cover it up with a veneer of self-righteous, supercilious excuses and appeals to the arbitrary views of an obviously deranged woman who lived a thousand years ago and didn't have any good ideas even then. Even nicer members like Elthina and Leliana are condescending, irrational, convinced of their own righteousness, and so full of stupid that its surprising they don't burst open and cover everyone else in their idiocy. The others are all those things as well, with the addition of utter hypocrisy and ruthlessness, leading them to lock up people with enormous potential productivity out of misguided superstition, turn a blind eye to their dehumanizing mistreatment, and give the key to an army of jailers who they keep hooked on magical heroin because they might see how awful they are and overthrow them, and because they don't like free will in general; after all, it might lead to someone calling them on their bull$&!t.

+1

[Melca36]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

A collection of deluded, moralistic, holier-than-thou totalitarians who ruthlessly persecute anyone remotely different from them and try to cover it up with a veneer of self-righteous, supercilious excuses and appeals to the arbitrary views of an obviously deranged woman who lived a thousand years ago and didn't have any good ideas even then. Even nicer members like Elthina and Leliana are condescending, irrational, convinced of their own righteousness, and so full of stupid that its surprising they don't burst open and cover everyone else in their idiocy. The others are all those things as well, with the addition of utter hypocrisy and ruthlessness, leading them to lock up people with enormous potential productivity out of misguided superstition, turn a blind eye to their dehumanizing mistreatment, and give the key to an army of jailers who they keep hooked on magical heroin because they might see how awful they are and overthrow them, and because they don't like free will in general; after all, it might lead to someone calling them on their bull$&!t. The moment the warden told that self-rightous chantry pustule to stop harrassing that merchant and threatening to sic the templars on him for selling his own damn stuff at his own damn price was more glorious than solving the dwarven succession crisis, curing Eamon, saving the circle, ending the werewolf curse, and killing the archdemon combined. When she told Alistair she did it because she hates the self righteous, I almost kissed my monitor. She will forever be my favorite game character for that glorious b!tchslap. 

 

+1

[-leadintea-]

Dave of Canada wrote...

A religious group which receives more hatred than it deserves by the community because of their hatred of real-life religion.

It sure seems that way.

[gds76]

Nizaris1 wrote...

The Chantry always boasting about Andraste, but they don't even know where Andraste remain is, it was the Warden who manage to found the temple in DA:O, so what to expect truth from the Chantry? They just make everything up....

How come a religion organization don't even know where their beloved prophet remains?

Brother Genitivi found the temple, the warden just followed his footsteps to Haven. Genitivi then led him to the temple and opened the door. So actually it was the chantry that found the temple, the warden just conquered it. BTW Genitivi is pretty open-minded, albeit idealistic.

[Wrathion]

Dave of Canada wrote...

A religious group which receives more hatred than it deserves by the community because of their hatred of real-life religion.

Lol@ " more than it deserves"

Modifié par Alexandrine Delassixe, 13 juin 2012 - 11:32 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Dave of Canada wrote...

A religious group which receives more hatred than it deserves by the community because of their hatred of real-life religion.

To some extent. But it's hard to hate Meredith more than she deserves.

Ser Bryant, on the other hand, was a cool guy, no matter how much real life religion sucks.

As for the self-righteous priest telling the man what prices he can sell his goods at... that guy was arguably less sympathetic than the priest. Monopoly-milking people like him are the reason people irl gave communism a try. (The bad news being that people like him ended up running it.)

[Karlone123]

hussey 92 wrote...

Windninja47 wrote...

Sebastian proved that not all Chantry people are bad guys. I quite like the Chantry.

but he does threaten all of Kirkwall if you don't kill Anders

I would say that's Sebastian being his old princely self where he hired Hawke to kill those who killed his family. He has a deep religious devoution but revenge can over rule that.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Nizaris1 wrote...

The Chantry always boasting about Andraste, but they don't even know where Andraste remain is, it was the Warden who manage to found the temple in DA:O, so what to expect truth from the Chantry? They just make everything up....

How come a religion organization don't even know where their beloved prophet remains?

If you ask, Muslims will simply say "prophet Muhammad peace be upon him grave/remains is in Madinah, An Nabawi Mosque, Arabia". Christian will say "Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem, everything about Jesus is at Jerusalem", but the Chantry simply say "WE DON'T KNOW!"

so how come?

Maybe. We've got a few tombs of saints but what about the prophets? Where is King David buried? We don't know for sure (though some tombs have been claimed to be his tomb). Where's Moses buried? Again we don't know. Does this mean King David and Moses were made up? No. King Athelstan (first king of England and probably the model for King Arthur) has a tomb with no remains within. What happened to them is disputed. Does this mean he was made up? No. You can't say someone is lying because there's no remains to be found.

Dragon Age lore states that Andraste's ashes (not her body which was burned) was put in that mountain by the disciples of Andraste. Why would they share where her ashes lay with everyone else? They have healing properties and people would have tried to have taken advantage of this and eventually there wouldn't be any ashes left.

I don't think The Chantry is lying and I don't think they have lied. That stupid old man darkspawn in DA2 Legacy rants about the Golden City and light and then darkness. It sounds to me that he was one of those magisters who invaded the Golden City. He's also a darkspawn who happens to be able to call Grey Wardens and darkspawn like an archdemon which seems to agree with the theory of him being one of the first darkspawn and one of the magisters who invaded heaven. This agrees with The Chantry's account of the darkspawn origin.

Then we have Andraste's ashes and their healing abilities. Magic was used before to try and cure Arl Demon but it didn't work whereas Andraste's ashes did. One could conclude from this that Andraste's ashes were supernatural and blessed or perhaps all that (supposedly) lyrium in the mountain had enchanted her ashes with great magical strength over the centuries. The lyrium in the mountain doesn't explain the immortal gaurdian however who knows about everyone's past. Perhaps this ability to know someone's past however is simply a mind-reading ability but I'm not sure if such a magical spell even exists in the DA universe. Mind-reading spell or not, magic and lyrium still doesn't explain his immortality.

Then we have the Black City itself which cannot be reached and yet it remains at the centre of the fade as though it's a testament to something.

Maybe The Chantry isn't 100% right but I think we can conclude that they have quite a lot of the truth in their books considering the fact that they appear to be right about the darkspawn's origins based on the evidence from the Legacy DLC.

I hate The Chantry but not the Templars. I hated the Templars in Dragon Age 2 however but in Dragon Age: Origins there were some really good Templars. Ser Otto comes to mind here. He makes it his personal duty to resolve the problem that is occuring in the Alienage. Regardless of your views on The Chantry, I think you have to agree that the Templars are needed to stop demons and abominations that arise.

Also, Tevinter has The "Black" Chantry whose views in magic are different from that of The "White" Chantry. TBC believes that magic shouldn't be surpressed hence why Tevinter is ruled by mages and not by TBC who are subject to the magisters. Templars also exist within TBC but they're only called out when an abomination or demon starts running rampart. Blood magic is actually existant in Tevinter as thou should very well know and TBC doesn't do a thing about it.

If The Chantry were more like TBC but still hated Blood Magic then I would be more for them. I don't agree with mages being imprisoned but there needs to be a form of law to make sure they don't start using blood magic.

I'm sort of neutral on The Chantry. They need to be reformed. That much I would say though. I think their beliefs on Andraste and The Maker are correct though but their magic beliefs should be reformed. With that said I can clearly say that I'm not for any of the mages in DA2 who were demonic possessed and blood mages. I sided with the Templars.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 13 juin 2012 - 03:47 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Dave of Canada wrote...

A religious group which receives more hatred than it deserves by the community because of their hatred of real-life religion.

Hated by anarchic maniacs who burn the world with their magical experiments.

[C9316]

A religious group that obviously needs some reform, and yes many within are a bunch of self righteous condescending ****s who either approve of how they treat mages or are too stupid to see how they're driving the mages to revolt.

Modifié par C9316, 13 juin 2012 - 05:13 .

[ObserverStatus]

The Chantry as we know it today is a heretical counterfeit of its former self. In abandoning it's true purpose of tranquilizing all the mages who the Maker hates, they have lost his favor, and no longer speak for him.