Lotion Soronnar wrote...
WUT? What do oyu think the Circles are? Gulags?
Many are not, the one is Kirkwall is, and it is made abundantly clear shortly after you land there (actually before that it is hinted at by Bethany, foreshadowing).
As for the orverstatement of the ability to summon fire and lightning in your hand, to be fair, the game does the same, as they do with the famed dwarven magic resistance, 10%, yup, practically immune.
why do you assume every ilnesss of problem is curable?
well, most of them seem to be, and most of the people involved were surprized that magic could not cure it...
Pretty entertaining debate. A few points seem to have been left out...
Yes, learning Blood Magic from the demon trying to possess Conner is the fastest way, but if you are patient you can learn it from a book in Awakening. No demons.
There were a lot more of these books, but the Chantry had as many of them as they could find destroyed.
Hawke can be a blood mage and profess at every opportunity that there will be no deals with a demon. (not proof, but an indication), and neither of the PCs have to have ever had dealings with demons to be one. (that we know of)
Demons are not the only spirits in the fade that can teach, they are just the easiest to get a hold of, due to them actively wanting to be in our world.
If only Dagna is helped (and not Brother Burkel) the Chantry leads an Exalted March on Orzamar because free mages form their own circle there out from under the Chantry rule. (If Bro B is helped too then they do it for other reasons as well), but chantry supporters would not likely see the no Bro. B. one.
It doesn't matter whether any of us want to get rid of the Templar Order (I did, as they are hardly the only ones who could maintain order, and they did their jobs just sooo well, why not keep them around?), because they got rid of themselves and, possibly along with the seekers, reformed the Inquisition... and game 3 looks to be making us join them. (but we didn't know that at the time of this conversation)
The Chantry was not blown up by magic, but rather gunpowder, similar to the combustion grenades you learn how to make from the Tal Vashoth. Look at the ingredients you are to gather in the quest for it.
Anyone can be possessed, the mages just have a connection to the fade/beyond so they are easier to target.
Just because we as the player tend to see the worst mages (as well as every other group) doesn't mean they are the only ones out there (it just seems that way, especially in Kirkwall, a place no sane mage would go willingly), we are there to stop the 'bad guys', so they will be the ones we see most. (though that has been mentioned, and ignored, and game 2 took that to extremes for reasons mentioned already).
Elthena was at the very least told by Anders after the papers are found on the Tranquil Solution, and Hawke can confront her about them (if not more often by many others, such as Orsino), her responce is 'the maker's time is not our time' in other words, yeah, I know it's happening but they will sort it out eventually. Like any boss if things are going on 'in her name' & her 'name doesn't like it very much', then it is her responsibility to take care of them, if they happen while she is in charge, she is the one that must be held accountable, as well as those who commit the crimes themselves. But she chose to let the Maker sort it out, and thier own teachings say the maker isn't paying attention or just doesn't care.
While I am not fond of most real life religions due to their active derailment of progress, learning, and facts, with fictional ones I don't hold that same bias (fictional religions are as real as the authors make it), I am not inherently against them, I take no issue with the Creators, I have not a problem with the Ansestors (other than casts), I don't know enough about the Old Gods to form an opinion yet, but the Qun and the Chantry represent subjugation and oppression, like the dwarven cast system, and need to go away. Like with all things I base my opinions on what I see and observe, and those two have earned my disdain far more than my respect.
And what is blind is taking what the church says at 'faith' value...
I like the idea of Andraste being a mage, or a mage or non-mage possessed person. Maybe a Spirit of Hope. Seems fitting.
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