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[Karlone123]

I personally think it's a dangerous tool for demons to bestow on mages tricking them into deals of power but instead become the demon's gateway in the world and make unrepentent damage.

[wsandista]

I think it is a tools that has some inherent dangers to it.

My PCs have several unique attitudes to it though.

[dragonflight288]

Demons aren't the only source for learning blood magic. Books, other mages, cutting yourself by accident and using your own blood as a power source. The Chantry destroyed most of the source material so demons are simply the easiest way to learn blood magic.

Heck, even the Magisters initially only used blood magic in place of mana until they learned that only certain spells could be cast with blood.

As for my personal opinion on blood magic...let me also ask, what's you personal opinion of the blight? Without blood magic, there would be no Grey Warden joining ceremony.

[AxeloftheKey]

I never felt like Blood magic inherently meant that you were summoning demons. As long as the user is only using their own blood, not sacrificing their friends, and using it for a good cause, there isn't anything inherently wrong about using your blood to cast spells. As long as you're not hurting people/interacting with demons.

[TEWR]

AxeloftheKey wrote...

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Off topic: Axel... key... you have to be a fellow Kingdom Hearts fan. And if so, awesome .

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On topic: My personal opinion is that it's not inherently evil. It's prone to major abuse, but it's not inherently evil. It's a tool, and like any tool the mark of what is good and evil ultimately falls on the person using it, not the tool itself.

If I killed everyone in the name of GLORIOUS POWER through blood magic, I'm evil. The blood magic is just a tool being used for my evil ways.

If I kill a bunch of Darkspawn through my use of blood magic, I'm good. The blood magic is just a tool being used for my good deeds.

That's really the right answer hear. It isn't inherently evil. It's all about how it should be used.

The real question to ask I feel is: Do you think it should be made legal?

And to that I would answer, "No". Despite how I view it, it is far too dangerous to be made legal at this point in time, because of how easily it can be abused.

Also, everything dragonflight288 has said so far.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 11 juin 2012 - 03:56 .

[AxeloftheKey]

Off topic: I don't like Axel because of Kingdom hearts. It's because it's an anagram of my real-life name (Alex). I liked it before Axel the Nobody.
But the Key is a reference to Kingdom hearts.

On-topic:
Pretty much, yeah. Blood magic is just a tool. A dangerous one often taught by demons, but...

[dragonflight288]

Off topic: What about Roxas?

On topic: What Etheral said about legality.

[AxeloftheKey]

Off-topic: Meh. Dual keyblades are cool. Not a bad character. Riku is the best, indisputabl (in my opinion).

On-topic: Yeah, I wouldn't make it legal. It's just like, is using it an automatic reason to kill a mage? No. As long as they're being supervised and aren't seen doing bad things with it, the Templars should just make sure that said mage doesn't become a beacon for a demon. If they learn how to use it responsibly, the Templars and good mages now have a great weapon against evil people/lunatics.

[Urzon]

All weapons,magics, and knowledge has an inherent danger. People can use them for good, just as much as they can use them from evil.

Blood magic is no different. It's simply a tool. Whether it is used for good or ill, is up to the people using it.

[Gervaise]

True it is only a tool but for some reason it tends to attract demons so is inherently more dangerous than other forms of magic. Where large amounts of blood have been shed the veil is thin or non existant and the possibility for possession of ordinary people, not just mages, vastly increases. Because of this I would suggest that it should only be used sparingly by those who are experienced and trained in its use and under supervision of others.

I also feel that Fenris' arguement does hold good that there is really no need for blood magic unless you are in search of greater power and this need will always hold the potential for corruption. Bear in mind also that only blood mages seem to have the capacity to enslave the minds of others with their spells, which is what many people fear and why the templars are so ruthless with blood mages. Really controlling another person's mind so that they carry out acts contrary to their will, even if they are your enemy, is such a denial of personal freedom that it really cannot be considered a "good" act regardless of the moral intent of the user.

[dragonflight288]

True it is only a tool but for some reason it tends to attract demons so is inherently more dangerous than other forms of magic. Where large amounts of blood have been shed the veil is thin or non existant and the possibility for possession of ordinary people, not just mages, vastly increases. Because of this I would suggest that it should only be used sparingly by those who are experienced and trained in its use and under supervision of others.

Not always true for the blood magic. Demons are attracted to a mages power, and not just magical power. Take Connor, he could barely cast a basic spell, but as the son of a powerful arl, he had enough political power, or would eventually, to attract a desire demon.

Spirit Magic is often mistaken for blood magic, but if you read the description of spirit magic, it's a branch of magic that deals largely with spirits of the Fade, drawing power from there, and even raising the dead. People call it blood magic to do that, but that isn't a blood magic spell at all.

[Karlone123]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Blood Magic is the only way to defeat the Templar, the Templar cannot do anything if the mage using blood instead of mana as the source of power. So i say Blood Magic is good. :-)

I will see you are made tranquil!

[Karlone123]

Gervaise wrote...

True it is only a tool but for some reason it tends to attract demons so is inherently more dangerous than other forms of magic. Where large amounts of blood have been shed the veil is thin or non existant and the possibility for possession of ordinary people, not just mages, vastly increases. Because of this I would suggest that it should only be used sparingly by those who are experienced and trained in its use and under supervision of others.

I also feel that Fenris' arguement does hold good that there is really no need for blood magic unless you are in search of greater power and this need will always hold the potential for corruption. Bear in mind also that only blood mages seem to have the capacity to enslave the minds of others with their spells, which is what many people fear and why the templars are so ruthless with blood mages. Really controlling another person's mind so that they carry out acts contrary to their will, even if they are your enemy, is such a denial of personal freedom that it really cannot be considered a "good" act regardless of the moral intent of the user.

A good valid viewpoint, It's amazing how Anders doesn't turn to blood magic considering the extreme methods he uses and blood magic isn't one of them.

[Lazy Jer]

Blood magic. Bloooood maaaagic. Gadzooks this was a heck of a lot easier to think about before I started hanging out with Merrill. Blood magic itself isn't evil. It's just a source of power. It tends to be very seductive to apostate mages and rogue circle mages because it's a source of power that doesn't depend on lyrium.

It's also learned either from demons or from people who learned it from demons. If you're playing the word association game the word "demon" is rarely followed by "trustworthy". There's a cost to the knowledge they give you and they'll only give you the knowledge they want you to have. Either blood magic tends to corrupt the user, or corrupt people tend to use blood magic. In either case it's something to be avoided unless there's literally no other option.

[EricHVela]

Like several have said already:

Blood Magic isn't itself inherently evil. Blood Magic doesn't just conjure itself, ya know.

However, it's a question of whether one can use Blood Magic without becoming ... well ... addicted to the power it provides.

It's like the Dark Side of the Force. It's a short-cut to great power. Some people can keep a level head. Some others think they can and cannot once their hands get a little dirty. Still others just don't care about the consequences and just want power, but those people were lost before going down the path of Blood Magic.

I see that some are saying stuff like "It's my own blood so where's the harm?" Nothing is without consequences, good or bad, intended or not.

This "my own blood" theme reminds me of a short story called "Survivor Type". This surgeon washed up on a deserted island. After breaking his ankle trying to catch food, he resorted to some extreme measures, starting with amputating his foot -- which he, then, used for food -- then his other foot just because he was hungry, then he worked his way up both legs. The story is in the form of a journal which ends when the guy starts writing about how lady fingers taste just like lady fingers. This was in answer to the question of "How much trauma can a person withstand before dying?" The answer was "How bad does the person wish to survive?" (There was another factor involved with the story that I cannot repeat here due to forum rules. Suffice to say that it made the surgeons choices seem more logical at the time.)

The point is: Blood is not infinite. How much trauma can a Blood Mage withstand for the sake of their own magic? When are they willing to stop? How far are they willing to go to maintain their powers?

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 11 juin 2012 - 08:26 .

[Karlone123]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Like several have said already:

Blood Magic isn't itself inherently evil. Blood Magic doesn't just conjure itself, ya know.

However, it's a question of whether one can use Blood Magic without becoming ... well ... addicted to the power it provides.

It's like the Dark Side of the Force. It's a short-cut to great power. Some people can keep a level head. Some others think they can and cannot once their hands get a little dirty. Still others just don't care about the consequences and just want power, but those people were lost before going down the path of Blood Magic.

I see that some are saying stuff like "It's my own blood so where's the harm?" Nothing is without consequences, good or bad, intended or not.

This "my own blood" theme reminds me of a short story called "Survivor Type". This surgeon washed up on a deserted island. After breaking his ankle trying to catch food, he resorted to some extreme measures, starting with amputating his foot -- which he, then, used for food -- then his other foot just because he was hungry, then he worked his way up both legs. The story is in the form of a journal which ends when the guy starts writing about how lady fingers taste just like lady fingers. This was in answer to the question of "How much trauma can a person withstand before dying?" The answer was "How bad does the person wish to survive?" (There was another factor involved with the story that I cannot repeat here due to forum rules. Suffice to say that it made the surgeons choices seem more logical at the time.)

The point is: Blood is not infinite. How much trauma can a Blood Mage withstand for the sake of their own magic? When are they willing to stop? How far are they willing to go to maintain their powers?

True Blood Magic drains the caster's of its life to the point of near death.

[Mr. C]

Blood magic is useless. Too easy to accidentally cut your own throat (metaphorically speaking) and become possessed. There's also that little matter of willpower your victim may have. Mind-control can really only work on someone weak-willed. (Uldred was an exception, as he wasn't your run-of-the-mill blood mage)

Instead of using on-the-spot BM with the risk of being instantly possessed, Apostates should focus on Primal spells. They could do TONS more damage while maintaining their own mind. Kirkwall's Force Magic could also apply. Who cares if a Templar can disable magic if they can't even move? Gravity is a hell of a power to control. /Brago

[dragonflight288]

But at the same time, if they practice the school of creation, they'll be in a better position to help change the minds of citizens of countries about how 'cursed' magic truly is.

[Plaintiff]

A double-edged sword for the foolhardy or desperate, but not inherently evil.

[TEWR]

AxeloftheKey wrote...

Off-topic: Meh. Dual keyblades are cool. Not a bad character. Riku is the best, indisputabl (in my opinion).

If we're talking strictly on who wields a Keyblade, then I might dispute that one.

If we're talking about best character overall, I'd still dispute that. Kingdom Hearts' characters are, IMO, equally awesome.

Gervaise wrote...

Bear in mind also that only blood mages seem to have the capacity to enslave the minds of others with their spells, which is what many people fear and why the templars are so ruthless with blood mages.

It should be noted, however, that there is Chantry sanctioned Magic that employs mental manipulation. While not to the extent of controlling a person's mind to do your bidding, it does render them unable to act as they would had the magic not been used.

Gervaise wrote...

Really controlling another person's mind so that they carry out acts contrary to their will, even if they are your enemy, is such a denial of personal freedom that it really cannot be considered a "good" act regardless of the moral intent of the user.

Objection!

[dragonflight288]

HAHAHA! I love Phoenx Wright! (Nick/Iris, or Nick/Maya)

[Goneaviking]

I don't care for the kind of tradeoffs that blood magic requires of it's practitioners.

It may be a very useful tool, but having that kind of power can create the temptation to use it. I can't think of a happy ending when significant numbers of mages have access to the types of magic that allow one to tamper with people's minds.

I like Merrill, but having one nice bloodmage doesn't remove the knowledge that essentially every other bloodmage in the game is a misanthropic powermonger with a willingness to hurt others for their own gain.