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[George-Kinsill]

 It's irritating enough to have the VS promoted to approximitely the same rank as you, but how is it that they are recommended to be a Spectre? Right before that they simply got their @ss kicked by Eva and laid in a hospital. To be a Spectre requires a crap ton of training, experiance, intellignece and more. The Turians even have a Spectre training program and hardly even any of them make it. 

Now I don't want to be a VS hater, but what have they done? On Horizon they couldn't even get a Guardian laser properly installed and got frozen by seekers that we had to save them from. On Mars, we had to bail them out for idiotically charging a powerful opponent alone. 

While the VS can be semi-useful, they are useful as a supporting character. In no way do they meet the leadership skills and battle prowess of anyone Spectres seen through the game.

On top of that, Udina seemed to be planning a coup when he recommended the VS. Why would he do that? While they're may have been some confusion between the VS and Shepard as to the activities over the last 2 years, the VS is still part of Shepard's crew. If it weren't for the very akward timing in which Shepard showed up to stop Udina, I doubt that the VS would be suspicious of Shepard in any way.

In any case, the whole situation just seems weird to me. Anyone have any idea as to why this happened? 

[David7204]

Yes. It is indeed "irritating" to have people other than you get promoted. What a tragedy. I think we all need to sit down and talk about this.

[MegaSovereign]

Udina wanted the VS to trust him. It could just be his way of brown nosing.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Udina wanted to have the VS trust him more than Shepard, for when the Cerberus attack on the Citadel happened,
that's the theory I've heard anyway

[CamlTowPetttingZoo]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Udina wanted the VS to trust him. It could just be his way of brown nosing.

This. Udina wanted someone he could manipulate thinking that they would somehow be as good as Shepard because they worked with Shepard.

[EricHVela]

Shepard's Spectre status was mostly political. The ANN suggests that the VS is the same "to placate Humanity" for the lack of support for helping against the attack on Earth.

[Star fury]

Not only Shepard served Alliance during series. So maybe VS did something noteworthy. And they both are still one rank lower than Shepard.

[George-Kinsill]

David7204 wrote...

Yes. It is indeed "irritating" to have people other than you get promoted. What a tragedy. I think we all need to sit down and talk about this.

I'm fine with people being promoted if they deserve it. The VS does deserve to be promoted for their contributions in ME1. After that though? What have they done to put them on equal standing (or atleast near) to Shepard? If there were some comic I don't know of where the did something awesome, my accustions would be baseless. 

[NoUserNameHere]

He needs a bumbling pawn in the Spectre ranks for his coup attempt. Hence the Virmire Survivor.

[CSI_Spectre]

Good observation. I never thought of that until now. You make a lot of good points as well. I understand you are not a VS hater. The Vermire Survivor being a Spectre doesn't seem to fit well. Saren, Nihilus, and Bau (Salarian Spectre from Citadel) were Spectres. Each one of them very qualified. Your vermire survivor just doesn't seem to match those criteria that you explained in your post.

I never thought of that. Even if having your VS be a spectre was done in order to bring hope, there is no way you could compare Shepard or Saren to your VS in terms of a Spectre. Also, like you mentioned, if Udina was planning a coup, why recommend a spectre? To secure a way off the Citadel with a good soldier or biotic? I wish I had a better answer

[George-Kinsill]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Udina wanted to have the VS trust him more than Shepard, for when the Cerberus attack on the Citadel happened,
that's the theory I've heard anyway

Sounds plausible. He really should have thought about it harder as the whole reason they were willing to shoot Shepard is because they thought he still worked with Cerberus. They probably wouldn't be too happy to serve a councilor that's a pawn of Cerberus.

[David7204]

The VS has as much experience fighting Reapers as anyone in the Alliance, aside from Shepard. I imagine they were helping the Alliance prepare during the six months Shepard was detained.

[Aurora313]

My theory. Udina wanted the VS to shoot Shepard during the coop, then shoot the rest of the council and the VS then framing both Shepard and the VS for the whole thing.

Modifié par Aurora313, 11 juin 2012 - 03:08 .

[mass perfection]

VS?

[InHarmsWay]

Ashley went up way too many ranks to be realistic. She went up ONE rank in two years between ME1 and 2. From Gunnery Chief to Operations Chief. Then in the six months following, she went up (according to the Alliance ranking) EIGHT ranks to Lt. Commander. WTF?

Kaidan on the other hand went up two ranks between ME1 and 2 from LT. to Staff Commander. In the six months following, he went up one rank to Major. This sounds more reasonable.

Bioware obviously wanted the VS to be your equal or superior. Which is bullsh*t.

[MegaBadExample]

David7204 wrote...

Yes. It is indeed "irritating" to have people other than you get promoted. What a tragedy. I think we all need to sit down and talk about this.

I know... "You're the same rank as me." therefore your annoying lol... Ah, people.
 

[Tom Lehrer]

If you talk to Bailey he will tell you Udina is the one that gave him his promotion. That with making the VS a Specter comes off as a bit odd and got me thinking that Udina might have purposefully filled the ranks with people that could subvert the coup.

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 11 juin 2012 - 03:24 .

[Ug Smash]

mass perfection wrote...

VS?

Virmire Survivor. Ashley or Kaiden, whoever didn't get nuked on Virmire in ME 1.

[MegaBadExample]

George-Kinsill wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Yes. It is indeed "irritating" to have people other than you get promoted. What a tragedy. I think we all need to sit down and talk about this.

I'm fine with people being promoted if they deserve it. The VS does deserve to be promoted for their contributions in ME1. After that though? What have they done to put them on equal standing (or atleast near) to Shepard? If there were some comic I don't know of where the did something awesome, my accustions would be baseless. 

I agree. The VS shouldn't have jumped that many ranks inside 6 months. Someone was doing some serious pushing. Or else Bioware didn't think it through. I wish they gave us a reason for why they were promoted (like James). Remember ME2? Most of the VS's missions and files were VERY classified, now I'm left wondering why.

The VS are one of best soldiers in the Alliance come ME3. In a way, Shepard trained them. They've followed him/her around and have experience with the reapers & geth. How many marines can say that? I'm gussing that's mentioned in their file. Anderson also wanted them as his XO on the Normandy, but things didn't work out obviously.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 11 juin 2012 - 03:26 .

[Star fury]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Bioware obviously wanted the VS to be your equal or superior. Which is bullsh*t.

Ugh, Ashley and Kaidan are not equal to Shepard. They still have lower ranks than you. Here you're talking bullsh*t.

Modifié par Star fury, 11 juin 2012 - 03:39 .

[Made Nightwing]

Since all the Councillors have to vote on a potential Spectre, I'd say Ash/Kaidan did something impressive enough to merit a spot. Shepard was only considered because he was a badass.

[Cypher_CS]

He wants someone with access grateful to him... thus loyal. Or more likely to be more loyal.

[MegaBadExample]

Cypher_CS wrote...

He wants someone with access grateful to him... thus loyal. Or more likely to be more loyal.

The VS isn't loyal to Udina.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

it works especially well if it's Ashley. Kaiden doesn't buy into the bull**** as easily. If you try to paragon Ashley and explain things to her she will continue to question your authority and will tend not to trust you, but if you tell Ashley to STFU and follow your orders, she trusts you more.

[Mcfly616]

Really? This is common sense....


Udina is dirty....he knows a coup is coming(he's corrupted by Cerberus)

Udina wants personal protection....the VS is a proven soldier and they have doubts about Shepard(perfect for Udina)