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[Dubiousity]

JiceDuresh wrote...

MoeRayShep wrote...
There are a lot of different builds and loadouts which can be more devastating. The Claymore X is very popular on the Geth Infiltrator, but I can imagine that a Wraith X would be absurd.

I know there is, but that wasn't the underlying point. The point was that you should have a reason to play the game other than just credits and XP, I think I've played every character 40 times each beacuse I like trying new builds and new tactics and trying out thing I've never tried. But if you just want credits and XP, then what's the point once you have everything you'd need that credits and XP can get you?

I do have reasons besides Credits and XP to play the game, I want to be able to try all the weapons and characters, and what do I need to do so? Credits.

Once I start getting more stuff I'll probably be less focused on credits, there's just some stuff I really want to try really bad so easy credits is a good thing for me right now.

[o Ventus]

Redgoon23 wrote...

Because it takes no skill to use, there's no need to aim at all with it, also it makes me feel worthless when I play because it one shots everything. It's basically a missile launcher that people can keep getting ammo for throughout the game.

If ME3's MP was competitive PvP where it directly affected your gameplay, your complaint would be legit.

But the whole idea of co-op just sort of dissolves it.

[Holy-Hamster]

MoeRayShep wrote...

JiceDuresh wrote...

Dubiousity wrote...

I mean, I am relatively new so it may be my mindset of "GET CREDITS FOR STUFF NOW", but hey...

Exactly. Once you get the MQuarian engineer and Krysae, what's the point in getting more credits when you already have the best thing the game can offer? It's no for challenge, since the Krysae removes any sense of the word. It's not to play as a team, cause that just makes other bored while they have nothing to kill.

The only thing I can think of is people are collectors and want to get all the weapons as fast as they can but not actaully use any of them.

There are a lot of different builds and loadouts which can be more devastating. The Claymore X is very popular on the Geth Infiltrator, but I can imagine that a Wraith X would be absurd.

But at least the claymore you still have to aim at least decently.  Krysae you can miss by a good 5-7 meters and still explode your target.  It's a mini rocket launcher.  

I stopped playing the geth infiltrator a while ago as well, it gave me more of a sense of excitement not knowing where all the enemies are.  However that's a personal choice.

Geth infiltrators by themselves really don't ruin games for me.  Infiltrators with krysae on the other hand.....zzzzzzzz.

[Holy-Hamster]

o Ventus wrote...

Redgoon23 wrote...

Because it takes no skill to use, there's no need to aim at all with it, also it makes me feel worthless when I play because it one shots everything. It's basically a missile launcher that people can keep getting ammo for throughout the game.

If ME3's MP was competitive PvP where it directly affected your gameplay, your complaint would be legit.

But the whole idea of co-op just sort of dissolves it.

Why not enable cheating then?  It's just a co-op game.  Let's allow guns to one shot everything.  Free credits for everyone.  The game isn't too hard to begin with, why dumb it down even more?

[Lividliver]

As others have mentioned,it spits on other sniper rifles due to it requiring little aiming to do massive damage.The very concept of a sniper rifle entails precise aim,this weapon defies it.It is more of a missile launcher.Even the cobra nuke requires better aim or it will miss completely.

The whole gameplay of using a krysae basically boils down to "point in general direction and watch things die"

Ever seen an entire team of geth infils using a krysae x on FBWGG?Hardly anything survives more than a few steps except the primes.Even the feared phantom is nothing but a joke in front of that weapon.Most people break a sweat when they see 3 or 4 phantoms together running towards them.With a krysae,all you have to do is just point at them and watch them stagger left and right to their deaths.

IMO,this weapon will make it difficult for others to learn about their own classes and other weapons.How will one be able to get used to the projectile speed of a graal spike thrower if the other 3 members on the team are using krysaes and destroying enemies in masses before he has a chance to engage?How will he be able to gauge the amount of damage he is doing?

The Krysae is literally a weapon of mass destruction.

Modifié par Lividliver, 11 juin 2012 - 08:38 .

[JiceDuresh]

Quxorda wrote...
To play with what those credits unlocked?

Which would be? Oh that's right, a reason to play other than credits and XP, which was exactly my point. <_<

Which is exactly why players who have unlocked all the guns tend not to use the Krysae, we have other things to play for, and with, that are more fun than easy mode.  I'd like to play with Krysae more, it probably is my favorite gun, but I'd rather using it took a bit of the skill I've built up over playing so much into account rather than just make things trivial.

[ABjerre]

o Ventus wrote...
If ME3's MP was competitive PvP where it directly affected your gameplay, your complaint would be legit.

But the whole idea of co-op just sort of dissolves it.

I agree with you, but this has been said many times before - and dismissed just as many times. It doesn't matter if its co-op, sertain people want it ner... rebalanced for whatever reason, and they wont rest untill it is.

[MrScottBear]

It really doesn't matter, but it's hard to deny that it gets boring watching a try hard Inf. kill everything without even having to aim well.

[o Ventus]

Holy-Hamster wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Redgoon23 wrote...

Because it takes no skill to use, there's no need to aim at all with it, also it makes me feel worthless when I play because it one shots everything. It's basically a missile launcher that people can keep getting ammo for throughout the game.

If ME3's MP was competitive PvP where it directly affected your gameplay, your complaint would be legit.

But the whole idea of co-op just sort of dissolves it.

Why not enable cheating then?  It's just a co-op game.  Let's allow guns to one shot everything.  Free credits for everyone.  The game isn't too hard to begin with, why dumb it down even more?

I sincerely hope you see just how stupid what you said really is.

There's balancing a legitimately broken weapon that is actively ruining the enjoyment of the game for others.

On the other hand, there's meaningless complaining about an issue made trivial by virtue of the gametype. If you haven't caught it yet, this is the one you're doing.

Modifié par o Ventus, 11 juin 2012 - 08:46 .

[Dubiousity]

MrScottBear wrote...

It really doesn't matter, but it's hard to deny that it gets boring watching a try hard Inf. kill everything without even having to aim well.

I can understand that, I just try and have fun with it, mess around a bit.

For example, I had a Silver match earlier that had 2 Lv20 QMIs with Krysaes and I kindof commentated a mini competition to myself. It was funny, but afterwards I thought it was weird that I was talking to myself for 19 minutes.

[ABjerre]

Lividliver wrote...
Ever seen an entire team of geth infils using a krysae x on FBWGG?Hardly anything survives more than a few steps except the primes.Even the feared phantom is nothing but a joke in front of that weapon.Most people break a sweat when they see 3 or 4 phantoms together running towards them.With a krysae,all you have to do is just point at them and watch them stagger left and right to their deaths.

Have you ever seen anything survive on FBWGG against any team with decent weaponry? Also, while good at staggering, you make it sound like its a 3-shot job clearing a map, which is very much not the case. The Krysae is a good weapon for sertain jobs, but it fails equally hard in just as many scenarios.

Modifié par ABjerre, 11 juin 2012 - 08:47 .

[MaxShine]

unknown map/unknown enemy/gold + random team. I am quite happy when someone brings along the Krysae

[Lividliver]

The Krysae can also be either a vorcha player's best friend or worst enemy,depending on whether he is using it himself.Getting the killing blow to fuel bloodlust is an excercise in fustration if other players other than the vorcha are using the krysae.Then again,the vorcha wouldn't need to worry about generating bloodlust at all since things are dying before he has a chance to engage.

This is an example of where the krysae can make it hard to learn about a class.

[greghorvath]

I personally dislike the thing because its not a sniper rifle but a bazooka that makes the game ridiculuosly easy. However, I don't mind if someone uses it in random games, or when I am farming with friends (I don't use it while farming cause I usually test/practice builds and classes there).

Modifié par greghorvath, 11 juin 2012 - 08:51 .

[JiceDuresh]

o Ventus wrote...

Holy-Hamster wrote...

Why not enable cheating then?  It's just a co-op game.  Let's allow guns to one shot everything.  Free credits for everyone.  The game isn't too hard to begin with, why dumb it down even more?

I sincerely hope you see just how stupid what you said really is.

There's balancing a legitimately broken weapon that is actively ruining the enjoyment of the game for others.

On the other hand, there's meaningless complaining about an issue made trivial by virtue of the gametype. If you haven't caught it yet, this is the one you're doing.

I think you missed the Sarcasim here.  It was intentional that he sounded rediculous.  It's called Satire. It intentionlay makes something seem as obsurd as the original proposal.

[COLZ7R]

Does it really 1 shot enemy on gold at higher levels? Only have it at 1 and to be honest i find it pretty poor, aim at something and if anything walks by you hit that instead!

[Lividliver]

ABjerre wrote...

Have you ever seen anything survive on FBWGG against any team with decent weaponry? Also, while good at staggering, you make it sound like its a 3-shot job clearing a map, which is very much not the case. The Krysae is a good weapon for sertain jobs, but it fails equally hard in just as many scenarios.

At least in a FBWGG game where no krysae is used,enemies can actually make their way close enough to the players to be a threat or even come within melee grab range.Scores are also more even out too given that other decent weaponry don't have a proximity explosion that can affect clumped up enemies.Even tech bursts and biotic explosions require the right set ups before they will occur.

The krysae is indeed a 3 shot job.On an infiltrator,I have never seen anyone take more than a 3 shot clip to kill a phantom or other small mobs.If they are all grouped up togther,that 3 shot clip has a high possibility of wiping them all out.

Modifié par Lividliver, 11 juin 2012 - 08:58 .

[JiceDuresh]

COLZ7R wrote...

Does it really 1 shot enemy on gold at higher levels? Only have it at 1 and to be honest i find it pretty poor, aim at something and if anything walks by you hit that instead!

There is a bit of missing information, it kills in one shot on an infiltrator speced for sniper rifle damage.  Most other classes its not as powerfull though still really easy to use, on an infiltrator it's rediculous and easy to use.

[Patreus]

leave the krysae alone, it's a capable gun in the hands of a good player, but crappy in an other. this is like a reverse argument with krogans running around all over the map killing everything before we can see it. The krysae is the answer to that.

[kevchy]

Because it upsets the status quo.

[Aiyie]

JiceDuresh wrote...

Because some people enjoy playing the game, as a team, and not just watching someone else play for 20 minutes to thier benefit.

Honestly, most of us like the Krysae. We really do. But we'd like it more if it didn't trivialise the only content we have.

call me elitist, or whatever... but i much prefer to make my time worth it with a win.

in a silver or bronze, ill **** around and use more conventional weapons.  hell, on bronze ill usually throw on the worst weapon i can find just to screw around.

but on gold, with random teammates... you can be damned sure im going to use my geth infil with a krysae.

want to know why?  because i can't trust my teammates to know what the hell they're doing.  if winning the match means i have to do 90% of the work, then that's what ill do.

i don't particularly like the fact that i have to go into the match using a cheap weapon on the off chance that ill have to carry one or more members of the team, but thats just the way it is.

if other players were better, if i could rely on them to do more than die to the first prime or ravager that looks at them cross eyed, then id love to be able to run with a different weapon... sadly, thats not the case.

and unfortunately, the people i do make private groups with where i can rely on their skills, aren't on all the time, so please don't just say... play private matches.  i already do that, but not all the time.

[ABjerre]

Lividliver wrote...

ABjerre wrote...

Have you ever seen anything survive on FBWGG against any team with decent weaponry? Also, while good at staggering, you make it sound like its a 3-shot job clearing a map, which is very much not the case. The Krysae is a good weapon for sertain jobs, but it fails equally hard in just as many scenarios.

At least in a FBWGG game where no krysae is used,enemies can actually make their way close enough to the players to be a threat or even come within melee grab range.Scores are also more even out too given that other decent weaponry don't have a proximity explosion that can affect clumped up enemies.Even tech bursts and biotic explosions require the right set ups before they will occur.

The krysae is indeed a 3 shot job.On an infiltrator,I have never seen anyone take more than a 3 shot clip to kill a phantom or other small mobs.If they are all grouped up togther,that 3 shot clip has a high possibility of wiping them all out.

The point of FBWGG is to funnel the enemies into a close concentration at medium range. Any weapon with any AOE will be extremely effective there. The Striker or Falcon can achive exactly the same results. On maps where enemies are more spread and at larger distance, the scenario is quite different.

Again, any multi shot sniper can take out mooks with 1 shot and phantoms with 3. The case where they are grouped close enough to affect all is highly situational and is largely compensated for by the amount of blanks and other bugs that the Krysae suffers from. When shooting at a group of harder targets, more often than not, the shots detonate at different targets resulting in damaging them all, but killing none.

[JiceDuresh]

Aiyie wrote...
but on gold, with random teammates... you can be damned sure im going to use my geth infil with a krysae....

So..you don't like the idea that other players don't have the skill in your public lobbies to finish a match, and so approve of a weapon and class that takes no skill to use for yourself which makes you better than them for using?  This reaks of Irony to me, but let me put it this way:  If it is toned down, what will you be doing to make sure other's bad skill doesn't interfere with your success? If you don't have an answer, you shouldn't be in public gold lobbies.

Modifié par JiceDuresh, 11 juin 2012 - 09:18 .

[DarkerCompanion]

COLZ7R wrote...

Does it really 1 shot enemy on gold at higher levels? Only have it at 1 and to be honest i find it pretty poor, aim at something and if anything walks by you hit that instead!

It doesn't, though a perfect damage Geth Infiltrator can 1 shot some enemies, most notably Rocket Troopers.

But its an easy 2-shot, and you don't have to aim. You just point in the general direction and shoot twice. Geth is even easier; you can shoot around corners, and even pre-empt enemies, killing them before they even become visible.

[Aiyie]

JiceDuresh wrote...

Dubiousity wrote...

I mean, I am relatively new so it may be my mindset of "GET CREDITS FOR STUFF NOW", but hey...

Exactly. Once you get the MQuarian engineer and Krysae, what's the point in getting more credits when you already have the best thing the game can offer? It's not for challenge, since the Krysae removes any sense of the word. It's not to play as a team, cause that just makes other bored while they have nothing to kill.

The only thing I can think of is people are collectors and want to get all the weapons as fast as they can but not actaully use any of them.

won't speak for anyone else... but as a completionist gamer, thats partially it.

the other part of it is my sense of competition.

but wait, you might say, how can you get a sense of competition if its a sure thing?

simple.  to me winning, in the sense of completing my goal, is competition.  i don't care about how i get to the win, so long as i get the win.  contrary to popular opinion, the destination matters just as much, if not more, than the journey.

thats not to say it doesn't get to a point where i don't start looking for more challenges, after all there's a reason i don't do FBWG farming.  but with the general lack of skill displayed by most players, ive got more than enough challenge getting to a full extraction on gold with random players, even when using the krysae on my infiltrator.

JiceDuresh wrote...

Aiyie wrote...
but on gold, with random teammates... you can be damned sure im going to use my geth infil with a krysae....

So..you
don't like the idea that other players don't have the skill in your
public lobbies to finish a match, and so approve of a weapon  and
class that takes no skill to use for yourself which makes you better
than them for using it?  This reaks of Irony to me, but let me put it
this way:  If it is toned down, what will you be doing to make sure
others bad skill doesn't interfere with your success? If you don't have
an answer, you shouldn't be in public gold lobbies.

oh, ill go back to being a widow sniper like i was before.

just that i will find myself frustrated more often by the more frequent losses that result from not being as easily able to makeup for the failings of the vast majority of random players. 

i have no delusion that im so good i can make up for their failings in any setting.  there are limits to what i can do... fortunately, the krysae extend my limits to a point where i can almost assure a win in spite of what sometimes seems like my random teammate's dedication to ensuring we don't.

granted, on the flip side, it will make the wins more satisfying... but overall, i think that id find my enjoyment of the game diminished because of the more frequent losses (again though, not due to the game itself, but more due to the people playing it).

Modifié par Aiyie, 11 juin 2012 - 09:25 .