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[Drei]

Hmm... so a Widow, Black Widow, Harpoon or Javelin ... X can't do the same??? Come on people WTF... Remove all X weapons from the game cause it makes things so eazy... also take off all upgrade why even have them and packs??? hell no!!! Make the game hard and impossible like old NES games to the point you want to throw your mouse away and smash your monitor... now that's some good old game fun.

I am sure most of you people are not old enough to remember those games, the ones you had a certain amount of lives, no save points and if you died you would start from level 1 again. I like easier games, they relax me, I work hard enough at my RL job. I hate hard games which are impossible unless you waste hours on end and are some kind of super geek to play them. Had enough of hard games back in 1980/90s.

You know what they should also make the LOADING on random... so that loading the game would be a mission on it's own and needed some skill. Bang the PC a few times a certain way to skips that LOADING ERROR section.

[WandererRTF]

I have no doubt that it does - my QMI with 5 levels of fitness does them in 3 shots, and the 3rd is mostly overkill. There is however quite a distance from this to the original claim that it wipes out entire squadrons of elite units on a regular basis.

Not really, since it does AoE damage and enemies often spawn and therefore also travel in rather tight groups.

[Aiyie]

ABjerre wrote...

Aiyie wrote...
at some point i'd think you'd accept the multitude of people saying its true as evidence enough of its truth.

you've never been to the moon, but you accept that there's no air there because enough people have told you so (or at least i hope so).

Well most flies and good deal of dogs enjoy feasting on fecal matter. Why dont you? If enough think its delicious, then it must be true, yes? No, seriously...

If a published and respected professor tells me something, i'll take his word for it. If some random guy on an internet forum tells me something, i'll reserve the right to remain sceptical untill some sort of proof is given.

It comes down to credibility, and as far as i am concerned, people on gaming forums have none unless they can back up their claims.

your example about the taste of fecal matter is not subject to cause and effect and is an entirely subjective subject.

whereas the ability of the krysae to do X as a result of doing Y is entirely objective and not subject to personal opinion or perspective.

and by the way, your inability to understand the difference, as evidenced by the fact that you thought your fecal matter analogy fit the discussion at hand in the first place, doesn't do much to help your own credibility here.

Modifié par Aiyie, 11 juin 2012 - 11:18 .

[Pitznik]

Blind2Society wrote...


Elighten me then your highness, what could be your motivation for giving a crap how powerful my weapon is or how I get my kills? Don't tell me that it's because there's no kills left for you and then go to another thread and say there's no such thing as kill stealing. Oh and by the way on gold, there are plenty of enemies for everyone even with someone tearing **** up with a Krysae. And if it really does upset you that much, leave the lobby or play private with your friends.

I play silver, not gold. It is where my skills are. Also, killstealing and having nothing to do ingame its not the same thing. I don't care who gets the killing blow, unless I'm playing Vorcha, but I do want to contribute. I can feel like a baggage if someone clears the map through skillful play, but when its a weapon doing all the work, I don't enjoy that game.

About playing private games - I enjoy more playing pub games, I don't have mic, I enjoy having different team each time, I enjoy being free to leave lobby after each and every game to go for a smoke, or just browse forums, or do entirely different stuff for 15 minutes. That would be rather rude towards dedicated group I'm playing with.

Blind2Society wrote...

And this whole no-aiming-required crap is exactly that, crap. Yes, it takes less aiming than other SRs but it is still quite capable of missing and is quite efficient at hitting the wrong target. It also consistantly fires blanks and it still takes at least two cloaked shots to kill anything above an assault trooper.

If I'm trying to shoot a prime, it instead hits it's useless combat drone, decloaks me and I get killed by said prime. There are plenty of drawbacks to the weapon. Yes it's very powerful and I think that's a good thing, it's as powerful if not a bit less powerful than the other SRs should be.

In my opinion that is no aiming - hitting a drone happens with powers all the time, with weapons it can also happen, that doesn't make Krysae any different to other guns. Blanks isn't drawback, it is a bug, and it should be fixed. Killing things in more shots than other SRs is more than made up for the ability to hit 3 or more enemies at the same time. I can't kill Silver centurion in one Lift Grenade, doesn't exactly make my grenades bad.

Blind2Society wrote...

If my team is being wiped in the hack circle by a crap ton of geth, I bet there very happy when I show up, clear the area and revive all three of them.  Also, if I'm sniping a bunch of enemies and all of a sudden I'm surrounded by 3 hunters, I'm quite happy I have a gun that can stun all three of them at once so I can hightail it to safety.

Isn't that pulling through Gold people who shouldn't be there? Not every Gold game is meant to be won by everyone who tries to do so. Some people shouldn't win Gold, because they can't do it on their own, they should stick to Silver until they'll get better. Krysae is keeping them from becoming better players, I think that it hurts the game in the long run.

Blind2Society wrote...

Basically it boils down to this, if you don't like the gun don't use it. If you don't like me using the gun then don't play with me. If it's my lobby, leave. If it's your lobby, kick me. If you don't like the gun, avoid it.

Stop crying nerf and trying to ruin other people's fun just because it's not fun for you.

I would rather have balanced game and not be forced to do it. In the end, it will be Bioware who decides if Krysae is harming the game, or I'm just a whiner. They have our arguments to read if they want to, they have data from every match, so I expect them to do the right thing. I'm not ruining your fun, I'm trying to fix my fun. If that will ruin your fun in the process, that's a shame, but I can't help it. I consider my idea of fun to be simply better for this game. We have different opinions which are equally important, I could say "Stop crying it's not OP and trying to ruin other people's fun just because it is fun for you.", but what is the point. If you sincerely believe that nerfs are cause by forum whining, you have nothing to fear, since poll shows clearly that more than 50% people like the Krysae, and around 30% wants changes. If you believe though that Bioware will change it nonetheless, because our ("balancers", "nerfers", wtv) arguments are more convincing, than we're right and you're admitting it.

Modifié par Pitznik, 11 juin 2012 - 11:21 .

[Pitznik]

ABjerre wrote...

Saying someone should go play Bronze if they want to feel powerfull implies that gold is a reserved bracket for people "worthy of it". What someone plays and how he does it, especially if the motor behind the complain is that he is too effective, is noone elses business.

But that is exactly the point of having three difficulty levels. Gold is for people who can beat it. And in a MULTIPLAYER game it is definitely my business how other people play, because I play with them.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

Drei wrote...

Hmm... so a Widow, Black Widow, Harpoon or Javelin ... X can't do the same??? Come on people WTF... Remove all X weapons from the game cause it makes things so eazy... also take off all upgrade why even have them and packs??? hell no!!! Make the game hard and impossible like old NES games to the point you want to throw your mouse away and smash your monitor... now that's some good old game fun.

I am sure most of you people are not old enough to remember those games, the ones you had a certain amount of lives, no save points and if you died you would start from level 1 again. I like easier games, they relax me, I work hard enough at my RL job. I hate hard games which are impossible unless you waste hours on end and are some kind of super geek to play them. Had enough of hard games back in 1980/90s.

You know what they should also make the LOADING on random... so that loading the game would be a mission on it's own and needed some skill. Bang the PC a few times a certain way to skips that LOADING ERROR section.

There is a slight difference between BW,Javelin... and Krysae.With those weapons you have to  actually hit the enemy (Phantom) and w  Krysae you can shoot near the enemy to kill it.
But I agree with you about old games,´cos I busted lots of gamepads on old Zelda games(yes I admit,I´m getting to old for playing videogames)

[mass perfection]

Because I can't unlock it.

[spjeanfritz]

If you don't Like a gun just don't play with it. If you don't want people to use it arround you, play with your friends and ask them not to use it (if you do have friends).

If you want harder game or challenge here is one: "Go on Gold all by yourself not using missiles, medigel and with a character level 1".

Once you have complete this you will be happy

/sarcasm

Seriously guys "LEAVE THAT GUN ALONE" at least we HAVE THE CHOICE to play with it.

Remember the FALCON they have nerf it and nobody use it until they recently fix it (i still won't use it). And more recently they have set the new HARRIER to be heavier just because some of you were complaining about it.

So please stop this just play with your friends or host a game and ask people not to use the gun or the setup you don't like and leave us with the RIGHT TO CHOOSE

Oh and plus guys the geth primes doesn't complain about the gun they have (Hope bioware give us this gun in the next DLC). The Bashees doesn't complain about being able to instant kill you

[ExecutorBG]

Yesterday I tryed playing for fun with a himan infiltrator and a mantis X... just to remember the old days on silver.

I just had to admit to myself that I had forgotten how to aim for headshots, as the widow has made that quite unnecessery for me unless shooting at slow moving pyros or geth primes (which are no longer an issue).

I had really hard time shooting at phantoms as I was playing on glacier, and had to snipe from a close distance and often through cover.

Well I was playing on silver so even then I managed to outscore my team of newer players, but I still wasn't too far ahead. The team was going quite equally.


Later I played a game on firebase dagger with a Salarian Infiltrator on Gold with the Krysae...
There was also one GI with I am not sure what kind of sniper... and a soldier and a sentinel...

End result was I was with 140k score followed by the GI with about 110k and the other 2 guys with 40k and 25k respectively.
You could guess that the soldier couldn't even get the 25 kills awards...

So practically we were 2 manning gold Geth on dagger... having 2 other people for living decoys...

Yes the Krysae is waay more powerful than any other sniper in the game when used by a somewhat skilled player.

I am used to outscoring people against geth when playing with Widow... but not by that much!

P.S. On a side note when I first used the gun, I was not hosting and the lag has made it terrible at both aiming, and at shooting. I would end up half the time with inconsistent ammo amount going to negatives or reloading and having just 1 shot, or using visually 2 shots and spending 3 or other such ****s.

Modifié par ExecutorBG, 11 juin 2012 - 11:41 .

[ABjerre]

Aiyie wrote...
your example about the taste of fecal matter is not subject to cause and effect and is an entirely subjective subject.

whereas the ability of the krysae to do X as a result of doing Y is entirely objective and not subject to personal opinion or perspective.

and by the way, your inability to understand the difference, as evidenced by the fact that you thought your fecal matter analogy fit the discussion at hand in the first place, doesn't do much to help your own credibility here.

I guess i had too much faith in you, assuming you would be able to see it as the joke it was - i even added a "No, seriously" emphasize it that it was the next part of my post, and not the former that was to be taken serious. If this was not clear enough, you'll have to excuse me as english is not my first language.

If the matter is as objective as you claim, why is it not documented? I am talking about the wiping out multiple elite enemies on a regular basis here. The Reegar's ability to rip things up is documented, the ability for several classes to solo almost any enemy on any map is documented, yet i am having no luck finding actual evidence besides the mathmatical proof, that when given unlikely circumstnaces, it is a theoretical possibility. That what i percieve as being a highly unreliable source of information (however rich in personal views and discussions): The claims of random people on gaming forums.

I am sertain that with the first player posting  videos of how he manages to do that (3 or more phantoms, unrigged game, 3 rounds fired) with the Krysae, the general acceptance of it being candidate for ajustment will spread. And even after that - so what? If you dont like it, dont use it. If you dont like people using it, dont play with them. Let them have their fun, i am sure that you are more than able to have your own in another match.

And just to clarify things, i dont expect people percieve me as being anything more than i percieve them to be - just another dude on the web. Therefor i rarely make claims unless i can back them up, and generally stick to discussions.

[Blind2Society]

Pitznik wrote...
I play silver, not gold. It is where my skills are. Also, killstealing and having nothing to do ingame its not the same thing. I don't care who gets the killing blow, unless I'm playing Vorcha, but I do want to contribute. I can feel like a baggage if someone clears the map through skillful play, but when its a weapon doing all the work, I don't enjoy that game.

I play silver myself and I can beast with any of my various classes I play with and I don't use the Krysae on my infiltrator (BW or Valiant). Even though I dominate silver with those classes, when I switch to gold they are moot. I tried the Krysae and it worked like a charm

As for feeling like you contribute, if you got any points you contributed and killing is not the only way to contribute. A combat medic doesn't often kill but are you going to say they didn't contribute to the war effort? Either way, I know what you are trying to say and yes, on silver the Krysae (in the hands of an infiltrator) is a bit OP and playing other classes in the same room as one can get annoying. But in gold, it's just right. And for silver, the fact remains, If you don't like it avoid it.

Pitznik wrote...
About playing private games - I enjoy more playing pub games, I don't have mic, I enjoy having different team each time, I enjoy being free to leave lobby after each and every game to go for a smoke, or just browse forums, or do entirely different stuff for 15 minutes. That would be rather rude towards dedicated group I'm playing with.

Again, I see what you're saying but the fact remains that you are still cpable of avoiding the Krysae and/or Krysae users.

Pitznik wrote...
In my opinion that is no aiming - hitting a drone happens with powers all the time, with weapons it can also happen, that doesn't make Krysae any different to other guns. Blanks isn't drawback, it is a bug, and it should be fixed. Killing things in more shots than other SRs is more than made up for the ability to hit 3 or more enemies at the same time. I can't kill Silver centurion in one Lift Grenade, doesn't exactly make my grenades bad.

No it's not the same as any other gun/power. I can aim at something in the distance but it will always hit what's closer to you.

And blanks, if the timescale of the latest "patch" is anything to go by, that will not be fixed until sometime next decade. So as of right now, it is a serious drawback.

Pitznik wrote...
Isn't that pulling through Gold people who shouldn't be there? Not every Gold game is meant to be won by everyone who tries to do so. Some people shouldn't win Gold, because they can't do it on their own, they should stick to Silver until they'll get better. Krysae is keeping them from becoming better players, I think that it hurts the game in the long run.

I disagree entirely here. First, to say that if you die in gold then you don't belong in gold is absurd. **** happens, people get swarmed, people die. Having a reliable way of getting yourself and your team out  of a sticky situation is a good thing.

Not everyone can be the best. If they could profesionals wouldn't be paid like professionals. The Krysae helps those who aren't capable of (for various reasons) being as l33t as the nerf crowd.

Pitznik wrote...
I'm not ruining your fun, I'm trying to fix my fun. If that will ruin your fun in the process, that's a shame, but I can't help it. I consider my idea of fun to be simply better for this game. We have different opinions which are equally important

This is just ridiculous and doesn't even warrant a response.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 11 juin 2012 - 11:57 .

[Offender_Mullet]

Dubiousity wrote...

Every time I see an Infiltrator using one I'm extremely happy, because I know he/she will be cleaning up pretty well, which means easy credits/XP. I can't wait to get it myself.

Do people not like easier Credits/XP?

The REAL reason people don't like it is: its true name is "Krysae The Kill Stealer". :happy: I love when I take out enemies that have been frozen/pulled/stasis'd by teammates. It makes me chuckle. While I haven't had anyone yell at me over the mic, I've been shot at a couple times. Well hey, y'know what? Explosive rounds kids = mob killers, so use your space magic somwhere else and let me mow down enemies the old fashioned way.

I honestly think the whole "it's overpowered" complaining was a cover-up for the real reason I listed above. That is the only logical explanation I could think of. Other than that, doesn't make any sense whatsoever why people complain about guns being over-powered.......then those same people will cry about the Geth buff.

[ABjerre]

Pitznik wrote...

ABjerre wrote...

Saying someone should go play Bronze if they want to feel powerfull implies that gold is a reserved bracket for people "worthy of it". What someone plays and how he does it, especially if the motor behind the complain is that he is too effective, is noone elses business.

But that is exactly the point of having three difficulty levels. Gold is for people who can beat it. And in a MULTIPLAYER game it is definitely my business how other people play, because I play with them.

Agreed that gold is for people that can beat it, or at least contribute to the effort in a constructive way. Where we seem to disagree is that i accept that it shall be beaten by any means necesseary (within the confines of an unrigged game), you seem to think that players should intentionally limit themselves.

Yes, you may have to play with other people in multiplayer, but noone is forcing you to play with people utilizing the Krysae. As stated before: If you host, kick people using it, if you dont host, leave the lobby. End of discussion.

Modifié par ABjerre, 11 juin 2012 - 11:57 .

[GGW KillerTiger]

"Everyone" hates it because they think it's "over powered", "under powered" or "needs tweaking" and won't just leave it alone.

[MinatheBrat]

Hey

Vote what you think of the Krysae here:

http://social.biowar...41/polls/34985/ 

Thanks everyone!!

[toastar]

Just nerf the thing already and be done with it.

Or just make a big announcement about a nerf so people go for a bit more variety with their loadout, you can keep it as is, if you desperately need too.

That thing is way too common and way too light, so everybody is using it with almost zero drawback, that you only need to aim over there doesn't help either.

I still believe a skilled player can score about as high with a Kishok/Black Widow, but as it stands every schmuck who gets one straps it on, preferably with a reegar as backup, and fancies himself an Infiltator, and the scoreboard doesn't even reflect how poor his skills actually are, giving proper infiltrators a bad name in the process and turning squishy blue ladies into piloted decoys.

[Sylte]

I really like it, but can see why it bothers people. I got it straight up to X in 10 PSP, and have been using it a lot lately. It`s like a shotgun up close, and more like a presise grenadelauncher from a distance. You just cant miss. And it staggers everyone, so if you have a bad shot, the phantom will still stand there, shaking, waiting for you to reload. I got real bad consciousness for stealing kills with this, so I`m trying to put it away. ...But it`s so much fun... And if a decent player is using it on gold, your team WILL survive. But yes, I totally see the kill stealing, and boring effect for the others. It`s like you`re Tiger Woods and loose to a blind guy with a magnet on the ball and the hole, cause you can be the world champion in sucking and still be a wargod with this funny OP thing.

[Drei]

lol I have been missing out a lot then because I didn't even sue it, I kept using my Widow X:)) Guess my next games will be with this little beauty before they nerf it due to the QQ's

Kil steals? Just about every clas can KS if they have teh right powers and weapons. I have been shot at whilst a Vanguard, a Sentinel rushing everything with Revenant... not even gonna talk about Engineer with overload aoes on geth. People are just unhappy when someone finds that perfect combination that makes the powerful. Imagine if everyone QQed in RL. NOOOOO that guy is a millionarie because he was walking down this desert tripepd over a stone and black crap came out of the ground.

[GGW KillerTiger]

toastar wrote...

Just nerf the thing already and be done with it.

Or just make a big announcement about a nerf so people go for a bit more variety with their loadout, you can keep it as is, if you desperately need too.

That thing is way too common and way too light, so everybody is using it with almost zero drawback, that you only need to aim over there doesn't help either.

I still believe a skilled player can score about as high with a Kishok/Black Widow, but as it stands every schmuck who gets one straps it on, preferably with a reegar as backup, and fancies himself an Infiltator, and the scoreboard doesn't even reflect how poor his skills actually are, giving proper infiltrators a bad name in the process and turning squishy blue ladies into piloted decoys.

I hardly ever see anyone using this crap weapon .... Buff it? :innocent:

[Sidney]

The thing people dislike is that Infiltrators with SR's were already kings of the realm..but at least the skill to hit moving objects via the scope is something I can't do so there's some respect. The Krsae demands a lot less respect because it obviates the need for skill and it gives the SR users yet another powerful gun while the AR's and SMG's still wait for any decent weapons.

[Sylte]

Drei wrote...

lol I have been missing out a lot then because I didn't even sue it, I kept using my Widow X:)) Guess my next games will be with this little beauty before they nerf it due to the QQ's

Kil steals? Just about every clas can KS if they have teh right powers and weapons. I have been shot at whilst a Vanguard, a Sentinel rushing everything with Revenant... not even gonna talk about Engineer with overload aoes on geth. People are just unhappy when someone finds that perfect combination that makes the powerful. Imagine if everyone QQed in RL. NOOOOO that guy is a millionarie because he was walking down this desert tripepd over a stone and black crap came out of the ground.

"black crap came out of the ground" LOL. Yes, everything can KS, but i see why people get irritated when they`re lining up perfect shots, then suddenly I`m there, blowing everything up... But fun, do try it!

And I some people I`ve played with have been real thankful when me and my bombs show up.

[Blind2Society]

Sidney wrote...

The thing people dislike is that Infiltrators with SR's were already kings of the realm..but at least the skill to hit moving objects via the scope is something I can't do so there's some respect. The Krsae demands a lot less respect because it obviates the need for skill and it gives the SR users yet another powerful gun while the AR's and SMG's still wait for any decent weapons.

I don't know, I always felt the SRs were severely underpowered and that using them on infiltrators just made it that much more clear. The Krysae seems as sign that things are getting better.

It may even be a sign of things to come, in terms of other weapon types. Maybe the next DLCs will add very good SMGs and ARs.


I would also like to note, no matter what class I'm using, I pay attention to what my teamates are doing. If I see my teamates going for a kill, I'll let him/her handle it. Even more so with the Krysae because I know it can annoy people.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 11 juin 2012 - 12:51 .

[Dunmer of Redoran]

It's a pain watching someone who completely sucks kill a Phantom in 5 seconds because they shot at their feet while invisible. Any moron can do that. And that's exactly what every moron is doing. Infiltrator spam is annoying enough, GI spam even more annoying than that. But krysae spam is the worst because it completely negates the need for any kind of skill to completely obliterate anything on the map.

Tell me, what's the point of co-op if one guy just kills everything by shooting in its general direction? LOLEASYCREDITSEASYWIN? No thanks. I actually like a challenge. I play gold and almost always get the highest score by a wide margin no matter what class I play, and I play all classes. Or, at least, I was topping scoreboards until the krysaes started showing up everywhere.

It was fun for me, having to be a leader and carry a team. Now there's nothing to lead or carry. Every **** with a krysae not only can take care of themself, but kills anything before I get anywhere near it.

[Blind2Society]

Ahhhh finally someone admits it. You're not on the top of the scoreboard anymore. Boohoo.

[Sylte]

DaftArbiter wrote...

It's a pain watching someone who completely sucks kill a Phantom in 5 seconds because they shot at their feet while invisible. Any moron can do that. And that's exactly what every moron is doing. Infiltrator spam is annoying enough, GI spam even more annoying than that. But krysae spam is the worst because it completely negates the need for any kind of skill to completely obliterate anything on the map.

Tell me, what's the point of co-op if one guy just kills everything by shooting in its general direction? LOLEASYCREDITSEASYWIN? No thanks. I actually like a challenge. I play gold and almost always get the highest score by a wide margin no matter what class I play, and I play all classes. Or, at least, I was topping scoreboards until the krysaes started showing up everywhere.

It was fun for me, having to be a leader and carry a team. Now there's nothing to lead or carry. Every **** with a krysae not only can take care of themself, but kills anything before I get anywhere near it.

Agree! That`s why I`m sadly putting it away. It`s fun, but feels stupid when I can close my eyes and still top the scoreboard.... If you are a team of credithunters though, use it.