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[Dunmer of Redoran]

Blind2Society wrote...

Ahhhh finally someone admits it. You're not on the top of the scoreboard anymore. Boohoo.

And then I pick a GI or someone with the krysae and I double their scores again.

But that's not fun, because it takes no skill, and I don't have to try, I can just phone it in and destroy everything with no effort. I don't even play infiltrator but one out of 15 games and I still outclass people who only play. I'm not trying to brag, but I'm saying, the krysae is a noob weapon through and through.

Modifié par DaftArbiter, 11 juin 2012 - 01:03 .

[Pitznik]

Blind2Society wrote...

Pitznik wrote...
I'm not ruining your fun, I'm trying to fix my fun. If that will ruin your fun in the process, that's a shame, but I can't help it. I consider my idea of fun to be simply better for this game. We have different opinions which are equally important

This is just ridiculous and doesn't even warrant a response.

I'll take it as "I have no counter arguments to that, so I will just ignore it". In the end, that is the only conclusion we can reach anyway, you know you're right, I know I am, so it is up to Bioware to do or not do anything, if they even bother to read 1000th thread about Krysae, it's almost like a full time job now. Let me repeat though: If you feel like nerfs could be based solely on QQ, there is nothing to fear - poll shows rather clearly that majority of people participating LIKES Krysae. There are more and more people voting, proportions don't change much so I think we can assume that is quite decent way to see what is the general opinion of ME3MP players on the issue.

[Blind2Society]

Where the "badass" picture when you need it?

[Blind2Society]

Pitznik wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Pitznik wrote...
I'm not ruining your fun, I'm trying to fix my fun. If that will ruin your fun in the process, that's a shame, but I can't help it. I consider my idea of fun to be simply better for this game. We have different opinions which are equally important

This is just ridiculous and doesn't even warrant a response.

I'll take it as "I have no counter arguments to that, so I will just ignore it". In the end, that is the only conclusion we can reach anyway, you know you're right, I know I am, so it is up to Bioware to do or not do anything, if they even bother to read 1000th thread about Krysae, it's almost like a full time job now. Let me repeat though: If you feel like nerfs could be based solely on QQ, there is nothing to fear - poll shows rather clearly that majority of people participating LIKES Krysae. There are more and more people voting, proportions don't change much so I think we can assume that is quite decent way to see what is the general opinion of ME3MP players on the issue.

You're kidding right?

You're not ruining my fun, you're tying to fix your fun? No, you are ruining my fun, to fix your fun. When you could just avoid my fun to have your fun. Instead you want me to have no fun so you can have fun all the time. And if it does ruin my fun it's too bad because your fun is more important for the game. Yet then you say both our opinions are equally important. You're comment was arrogant and you completely contradicted yourself. Therefore, it did not warrant a response. But your blatant ignorance of what I just stated made me respond. so there you go.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 11 juin 2012 - 01:17 .

[Nissun]

Jesus, I thought the Reegar/Krysae fever was calming down after the first days. But today I stumbled upon THREE consecutive random lobbies where EVERY player was carrying it. Took me ages to find one with more variety.

What. The. Hell.

[Drei]

hmm do people know that using a Scorpion is just as skillful? You just keep shooting at the ground and the mobs just walk into it causing multiple explosions then bang... you get 5 kills in 1 go. You can kill Pahntom just as easy... you can do the same with a Revenant. Wait... I think the Striker, Saber, Falcon are just as bad... too easy for anyone using them no?

[Nissun]

Drei wrote...

hmm do people know that using a Scorpion is just as skillful? You just keep shooting at the ground and the mobs just walk into it causing multiple explosions then bang... you get 5 kills in 1 go. You can kill Pahntom just as easy... you can do the same with a Revenant. Wait... I think the Striker, Saber, Falcon are just as bad... too easy for anyone using them no?

First: the Scorpion and Saber are Ultra Rare.

Second: The Falcon has a low rate of fire, the Striker has extremely high recoil, and neither do as much damage as the Krysae (I think).

Modifié par Nissun, 11 juin 2012 - 01:19 .

[furp]

My first experience with the Krysae:

Saturday I had an odd streak of RNG luck and received the Geth Inf, then The Krysae I and II from three consecutive SPs. I figured it was some sort of cosmic alignment, so I decided not to tempt fate and give it a go. I think I do fairly well on my other Infs.

I speced the Geth into sniper damage (of course!), waited for Garrus to finish his calibrations, and slapped on the Krysae. I decided it would be smart to get a feel for the gun so I created a private Bronze U/U lobby and went for a walk. It took a little getting used to the travel time and the scope, but I felt confident enough once extraction completed. Keep in mind I find soloing bronze therapeutic and can handle it with most squaddies.

I had already been using the Reegar on the Vorchas and my Kroguard, and since I my next move was going to be a U/U/Silver search, I equipped that along with the Krysae. My assumption was that I have both CQC or ranged combat covered so any map should be doable.

I queue up the random silver and was pleased to see the loading screen almost immediately, but when I entered the lobby, as the fourth and last player, I was immediately greeted by two big red Xs. So I rolled my eyes, chuckled, exited the lobby and went back to gold runs with my AA.

Good times!

[WandererRTF]

Also Scorpion's shots do not have proxy detonation, not before they actually hit something and turn from shots into mines - IIRC. Hence you still need to aim with it. With Krysae, you don't.

[Blind2Society]

EDIT:^The scorpion shoots sticky grenades have AoE like all grenades. They will go off whether they hit something or not. The Krysae requires just as much aim./EDIT

But the scorpion has more rounds and you can increase the clip size even further.

As for Krysae damage, it only seems so powerful because it is mainly used by infiltrators. If I don't cloak it generally takes all three shots to kill a mook.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 11 juin 2012 - 01:32 .

[MostlyAutumn]

Drei wrote...

hmm do people know that using a Scorpion is just as skillful? You just keep shooting at the ground and the mobs just walk into it causing multiple explosions then bang... you get 5 kills in 1 go. You can kill Pahntom just as easy... you can do the same with a Revenant. Wait... I think the Striker, Saber, Falcon are just as bad... too easy for anyone using them no?

Scorpion and Saber are UR,  Revenant and Saber are not AoE, Striker and Falcon deal significantly less damage, none of the listed weapons benefit from +40% SR damage perk.

[Aiyie]

Pitznik wrote...

Isn't that pulling through Gold people who shouldn't be there? Not every Gold game is meant to be won by everyone who tries to do so. Some people shouldn't win Gold, because they can't do it on their own, they should stick to Silver until they'll get better. Krysae is keeping them from becoming better players, I think that it hurts the game in the long run.

absolutely it is... but here's the rub.

most people don't know how bad they are.  and even when presented with the truth, via constant and never ending losses, they will continue to live in denial.

or...

they simply do not care.  they are having fun, **** everyone else in the lobby.

its because of the mass proliferation of gamers like that that weapons like the krysae are needed.  at least until we get some sort of device to reliably keep lower level players out of higher level matches.

[Fade9wayz]

Blind2Society wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Pitznik wrote...
I'm not ruining your fun, I'm trying to fix my fun. If that will ruin your fun in the process, that's a shame, but I can't help it. I consider my idea of fun to be simply better for this game. We have different opinions which are equally important

This is just ridiculous and doesn't even warrant a response.

I'll take it as "I have no counter arguments to that, so I will just ignore it". In the end, that is the only conclusion we can reach anyway, you know you're right, I know I am, so it is up to Bioware to do or not do anything, if they even bother to read 1000th thread about Krysae, it's almost like a full time job now. Let me repeat though: If you feel like nerfs could be based solely on QQ, there is nothing to fear - poll shows rather clearly that majority of people participating LIKES Krysae. There are more and more people voting, proportions don't change much so I think we can assume that is quite decent way to see what is the general opinion of ME3MP players on the issue.

You're kidding right?

You're not ruining my fun, you're tying to fix your fun? No, you are ruining my fun, to fix your fun. When you could just avoid my fun to have your fun. Instead you want me to have no fun so you can have fun all the time. And if it does ruin my fun it's too bad because your fun is more important for the game. Yet then you say both our opinions are equally important. You're comment was arrogant and you completely contradicted yourself. Therefore, it did not warrant a response. But your blatant ignorance of what I just stated made me respond. so there you go.

Please, calm yourself. One eventual nerf over one weapon and that would be enough to ruin your fun? Really? You get that emotional over it? Damn, one would think someone just murdered your little sister... Why do all these thread about nerfing or buffing degrade in such uncivilized pissing contests from one side to the other?

[Blind2Society]

Honestly, I can say the Krysae probably should have been ultra rare.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Blind2Society wrote...

Where the "badass" picture when you need it?

It's not about being "badass" it's about having fun. I don't mind if someone better than me shows up. That's fun too. But someone who dominates the game by going "PEW PEW PEW" in random directions without aiming? Booooooooring.

[Blind2Society]

Fade9wayz wrote...

Please, calm yourself. One eventual nerf over one weapon and that would be enough to ruin your fun? Really? You get that emotional over it? Damn, one would think someone just murdered your little sister... Why do all these thread about nerfing or buffing degrade in such uncivilized pissing contests from one side to the other?

And what are you doing but trying to prolong a "pissing contest"?

[ExecutorBG]

Blind2Society wrote...

Honestly, I can say the Krysae probably should have been ultra rare.

+1 on that !

[Drei]

WandererRTF wrote...

Also Scorpion's shots do not have proxy detonation, not before they actually hit something and turn from shots into mines - IIRC. Hence you still need to aim with it. With Krysae, you don't.

Hmm no idea I just kept shooting mine at the floor and 1 or 2 meters in front of the mobs coming towards me. Instant fireworks and kills.

I was also greeted to big X's without having any dodgy gear... so what do you know. Happened once or twice. I think my first X was when I logged into a lobby as a Vanguard:)))) Thing is I didn't event wanted to play as the Vanguard, was going to change class depending on Map and Enemies but hey...

I woudl gladly play in a game wheer everyone had x4 Krysae and get some easy XP and Credits. Hell if I promote it is damn nice to know I can be level 1 go into Silver and actually pull my weight because of a weapon. That's what I was doing with the Scorpion. For me it was an easy way to fix a power screw up if no reset was available, promote then re-level to 20. How does a level 1 join a game without a decent weapon?


I find it so idiotic, this is not even a PVP game where at least if someone had a bigger score it mattered, or if they kept killing you all the time. This is a coop game, what is the problem with people? Are we all Superstars? if I was in a real war and my team mate had a bigger gun and killed everything I would bloody happy. Does it even matter if they have a bigger score than us? Don't we all get the same Credits? After all at level 20 you don't need XP.

[Blind2Society]

ExecutorBG wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Honestly, I can say the Krysae probably should have been ultra rare.

+1 on that !

Yeah, it's true. However, I am quite glad it's not, saves me even more character card headaches.

[Pitznik]

Blind2Society wrote...

You're kidding right?

You're not ruining my fun, you're tying to fix your fun? No, you are ruining my fun, to fix your fun. When you could just avoid my fun to have your fun. Instead you want me to have no fun so you can have fun all the time. And if it does ruin my fun it's too bad because your fun is more important for the game. Yet then you say both our opinions are equally important. You're comment was arrogant and you completely contradicted yourself. Therefore, it did not warrant a response. But your blatant ignorance of what I just stated made me respond. so there you go.

Like I said before, I can't avoid grouping with Krysae - its either extremely inconvenient, or just simply impossible (games in progress). Outside of that, power creep leads to other changes in game, like buffing enemies/classes/other weapons to keep up with the MVPs, I rather avoid it entirely. Our opinions are equally important because we're both paying customers, but that doesn't mean that we're both right. Bioware has to choose who's right (I mean in general, which side of the whole arguement is right). My comment wasn't either arrogant or in contradiction to itself. I respect your opinion, and unlike some others don't try to diminish it using some made up presumed motivation, or calling you ignorant or skilless or anything, but I disagree with your opinion nonetheless. In my opinion what you consider fun is harmful towards both my personal experience of ME3MP and the game as a whole. That is why I am trying to present arguments that reinforce that opinion.

[DSxCallOfBooty-]

Why don't people like it? It's overpowered, simple as that. Does more damage than the Black Widow, weighs less, has an AOE, etc...

This all adds up to the fact that the Krysae kills groups of infantry AND bosses quicker than the Black Widow, unless you're getting constant headshots, and even then sometimes the Krysae kills quicker because it ignores shield-gating mechanics.

My opinion is that the clip size needs to be reduced to 1 or maybe 2, so that other weapons are useful relative to the Krysae. For right now though, I don't mind playing with people with OP weapons (Krysae and Reegar), as you said, it's easy credits. When I really want to have a hard match, I either solo or set up a private match with friends. This doesn't change the fact that both weapons are extremely powerful, and need to be weakened in order to preserve weapon balance.

[Pitznik]

Drei wrote...



I find it so idiotic, this is not even a PVP game where at least if someone had a bigger score it mattered, or if they kept killing you all the time. This is a coop game, what is the problem with people? Are we all Superstars? if I was in a real war and my team mate had a bigger gun and killed everything I would bloody happy. Does it even matter if they have a bigger score than us? Don't we all get the same Credits? After all at level 20 you don't need XP.

Real war is about winning at all cost you consider worth paying.

Playing game is about having FUN - that includes winning, but is not limited to.

[Aiyie]

ABjerre wrote...

Aiyie wrote...
your example about the taste of fecal matter is not subject to cause and effect and is an entirely subjective subject.

whereas the ability of the krysae to do X as a result of doing Y is entirely objective and not subject to personal opinion or perspective.

and by the way, your inability to understand the difference, as evidenced by the fact that you thought your fecal matter analogy fit the discussion at hand in the first place, doesn't do much to help your own credibility here.

I guess i had too much faith in you, assuming you would be able to see it as the joke it was - i even added a "No, seriously" emphasize it that it was the next part of my post, and not the former that was to be taken serious. If this was not clear enough, you'll have to excuse me as english is not my first language.

If the matter is as objective as you claim, why is it not documented? I am talking about the wiping out multiple elite enemies on a regular basis here. The Reegar's ability to rip things up is documented, the ability for several classes to solo almost any enemy on any map is documented, yet i am having no luck finding actual evidence besides the mathmatical proof, that when given unlikely circumstnaces, it is a theoretical possibility. That what i percieve as being a highly unreliable source of information (however rich in personal views and discussions): The claims of random people on gaming forums.

I am sertain that with the first player posting  videos of how he manages to do that (3 or more phantoms, unrigged game, 3 rounds fired) with the Krysae, the general acceptance of it being candidate for ajustment will spread. And even after that - so what? If you dont like it, dont use it. If you dont like people using it, dont play with them. Let them have their fun, i am sure that you are more than able to have your own in another match.

And just to clarify things, i dont expect people percieve me as being anything more than i percieve them to be - just another dude on the web. Therefor i rarely make claims unless i can back them up, and generally stick to discussions.

its a bit tough to decipher sarcasm over the internet without the visual cues that typically accompany it.

ill tell you what, since you seem to be wanting proof, and i don't feel like getting a capture card in order to make a video to put on youtube... my gamertag on the 360 is Memnoch069... i will gladly do a gold match, any map, against cerberus, with you to personally show you the effectiveness of the krysae against phantoms.

as for the nerf... im not saying to nerf it.  my only concern with the krysae is that it allows me to compensate for the poor playing of random people in gold lobbies... which actually works to my benefit (especially since said bad players will continue to pollute the gold lobbies no matter what i say or do).

[Blind2Society]

It may be more powerful but it take the same amount of shots to kill enemies. 1 cloaked shot to kill mooks, 2 cloaked shots to kill tougher mooks, and relatively the same amount of cloaked shots to kill the big/tough guys.

[Fade9wayz]

Blind2Society wrote...

Fade9wayz wrote...

Please, calm yourself. One eventual nerf over one weapon and that would be enough to ruin your fun? Really? You get that emotional over it? Damn, one would think someone just murdered your little sister... Why do all these thread about nerfing or buffing degrade in such uncivilized pissing contests from one side to the other?

And what are you doing but trying to prolong a "pissing contest"?

I only asked you, politely, to calm yourself, pointing out that getting that emotional over such discussions is quite excessive. Now if its enough for you to constitute as a pissing contest, then I guess it's no use drawing it out. I'd rather go and have fun, with or without Krisae.

Edit: I see why you could have felt attacked by my comment, it's just I see so many of these threads lately and they alll eventually devolved to agressivity and name-calling. It gets really tiring

Modifié par Fade9wayz, 11 juin 2012 - 01:51 .