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My Shep has been brought to the final room. All choices are open to me. I can live in Destroy. Not only that, I have a LI on Earth. And yet, I chose Synthesis. Why? I could have my happy ending. All I have to do is blow the Reapers to hell. It would be so simple…

Except it's not just about me. I've been handed an earthshaking revelation about my enemy. The Reapers are controlled by the Catalyst. Not led. Controlled. They have, at worst, diminished capacity for their actions, and may be de facto indoctrinated themselves. They are victims. Killing them isn't justice. It's vengeance. A couple of major choices excepted, I'm a Paragon. I've tried throughout the series to steer people away from vengeance and offer redemption where I could. If I can't offer my enemy mercy, then I become a hypocrite. No matter what I do, the Catalyst is gone, either because I replaced him or because the Citadel blew up. The one responsible for the mass genocides has been dealt with. And the Reapers leave. They are free to do as they please. The geth who are now well and truly alive will live on and hopefully there will be true peace.

And what about the life that I fought so hard to save? I just altered them in a fundamental way. How dare I? Well, first, humility and seeking consensus really isn't an option here. All choices thrust an enormous change on life in the galaxy. The death of every single synthetic who has chosen to fight by my side. Usurping the power of the closest thing the universe has to a god. I have to choose and choose alone. I'm a Paragon, so killing synthetics when there are other options on the table is right out. Which means the Reapers are still going to be around. Free or under my control, they're still vastly more advanced than organics or the newly-ascended geth. Not only that, whenever I choose it is going to destroy the relay network (except maybe Control-- evidence is contradictory here). Things are going to be very rough for a long time. I choose the option that I believe will give life the best chance going forward. This whole partly-synthetic deal has worked out fairly well for Shepard, with enhanced strength and resistance to poison, and he seems to be the template for going forward. And if I the player go back to the leaked script, the fact that the Catalyst is trying to stop the technological singularity is made explicit. So Synthesis must make it possible for organics to keep up with synthetics. Since the Reapers are still out there, I consider that a very good thing. And just in case someone decides to create something else along similar lines ,organics can contend with them as equals. No more techno-gods cowing us and using technology we can't hope to understand. And we didn't do it by killing them. We took their power for our own and now they must recognize us as equals.

Modifié par jtav, 14 juin 2012 - 02:21 .


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ArchDuck

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I don't fully agree but a more well reasoned decision than most.

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Filling the speculations with your own head-canon works for your own logic. You made guesses as to what each choice actually does, but they're still just guesses.

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You've given life a better chance by changing it fundamentally. You've not solved the problem with people hating one another. The Geth can already be dead, so this shouldn't be an issue if they are.

You make a choice based upon an existential fear coupled with a hubris so large it transcends anything ever done by any being ever.

Success meaning more than what is right and wrong was logic used by some terrible, terrible people.

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This thread speaks the truth.

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MisterJB wrote...

This thread is speculating.



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Yes, the truth in the name of a forced progress. An aesthetic so vile it begs the question of who was doing what when they thought of it.

That romantic view of bodies, that aspiration for power, that inherent belief that you supersede everyone has roots in a fascist ideology. It does not surprise me that people who favor Cerberus like Synthesis, as both share similar traits.

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Glad to see taboo has already got this one. No need to waste my time.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Yes, the truth in the name of a forced progress. An aesthetic so vile it begs the question of who was doing what when they thought of it.

That romantic view of bodies, that aspiration for power, that inherent belief that you supersede everyone has roots in a fascist ideology. It does not surprise me that people who favor Cerberus like Synthesis, as both share similar traits.

Ignorance and false assumptions about Cerberus, Synthesis and the people who support either.

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The catalyst is lying. You just lost the game.

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Your objective from the very first game to now was not 'find some way we can all be alike'. It was to stop the Reapers. Synthesis might (MMMIIIIGHT) do that, sure. Because you've turned us all from 'pests' into 'beings they can feel comfortable with not killing'. Great step up there.

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And this was how the Borg came to be. 10,000 years later, they've managed to develop FTL drives that don't require dark energy and want to let others join in their "search of perfection."

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Tealjaker94 wrote...

Glad to see taboo has already got this one. No need to waste my time.

Ah, thank you for providing an example of the self rigtheousness that pollutes most of Destroyers.

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Let's address what you've done shall we?

Selective Populism
Elimination of Liberal or Mass Democracy
Contempt for the Weak
Voluntarism Idealology
Anti-Modern
A skewed attitude towards equality and hierarchy

"Fascism is a political ideology whose mythic core in its various permutations is a palingenetic form of populist ultra-nationalism." -Roger Griffin

That statement refers to a rebirth in the terms of the creation of a new state by force.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 11 juin 2012 - 03:41 .


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Pretty green light... what an ending synthesis is.

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Synthesis is "anti-modern"? Taboo, under which rock are you living? Neither do I see any ultra-nationalism, nor do I see any anti-intellectualism. Populism? Really, Taboo, your visceral aversion has run away with your sanity. Your comparison is simply false.

You know what romantic is? The view that we should all stick to our organic roots and worship our "sacred" nature forever, being afraid of fundamental change. Being afraid of power, the notion that we should not "play god" and defining the opposing viewpoint as hybris, that's also romantic. Synthesis is the opposite of that. It is also, among other things, based on the belief that life exists to grow beyond itself. I support stealing fire from the gods.

@jtav:
May I include your statement in my Synthesis compendium thread?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 11 juin 2012 - 03:47 .


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MisterJB wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Glad to see taboo has already got this one. No need to waste my time.

Ah, thank you for providing an example of the self rigtheousness that pollutes most of Destroyers.


You mean just like the Controllers and Synths? 

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MisterJB wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Glad to see taboo has already got this one. No need to waste my time.

Ah, thank you for providing an example of the self rigtheousness that pollutes most of Destroyers.

 

Sorry. I guess rather than doing what every one of my allies has told me to do, I should have changed everyone's base genetic makeup, without any input from them, because I know what's good for them. That's not self-righteous or arrogant at all.

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Ah yes, the idea that you are going to trust a reaper and throw yourself down a hole to get vaporized so you can do what the reapers wanted all along.

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Joe Del Toro

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Zardoc wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Glad to see taboo has already got this one. No need to waste my time.

Ah, thank you for providing an example of the self rigtheousness that pollutes most of Destroyers.


You mean just like the Controllers and Synths?


...Dude, is that really what the labels are?

I'm totally calling myself a Destroyer, that's awesome.

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Regarding Synthesis:
1. Just because humans gain robot skin and glowing eyes, it does not mean that we have any where near the processing power of the Geth or Reapers, so nothing is solved there.
2. EDI and the Geth were already alive before getting washed in the green aura.
3. It changes nothing. Just because Humans made everybody green does not mean there will be peace. There will still be Humans, Quarians, Turians, Asari, Salarians, and the Reapers and their husks. It does not create peace for anybody, study history. People with the same DNA love to butcher one another.

Modifié par TheCrazyHobo, 11 juin 2012 - 03:52 .


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While i didn't really like any of the choices...the green path seemed the best for all overall. Red killed synthetics... all of them. (Or did it? Obviously Shepard survives.) Blue seems just a temporary fix.

Green was interesting though. So though it a genetic rape of all species... BUT... and only going from this particular point of view. It is stated that in this particular universe of ME, that for all species evolution ends when a species has reached synthesis. And by it's very definition... evolution isn't something any species gets to choose. Either you evolve and adapt or you cease to exist. So at least with that in mind... the synthesis option isn't really a choice if at some point millions of years later it's supposed to be the end stage... all Shepard does is makes it possible right then and there, essentially speeding up the evolution train for all races and species.

From a scientific, evolutionary standpoint... that's the best choice. A vast number of species are spared because of it. And i don't think that necessarily make people like the geth joining some kind of consensus and losing individuality, but rather allows a great expansion of the mind towards a faster gaining of knowledge and experiences. Think of it like a universal database all lifeforms could tap in to. You'd still preserve your identity. After all if you're looking at the Geth... they went from a consensus to becoming individuals in order to evolve.

Again... i don't agree with how the endings played out... but as a paragon... that seems the better choice instead of committing mass genocide or just delaying the inevitable again.

Adn while I don't agree that the Reapers are simply a victim as well, being controlled by the Catalyst Star Child... I do see some of the possible logic behind it. Though... the Reapers, at least those you saw Sovereign and Harbinger... they seemed to have their own identities toward their own common goal of extinction. So it's hard to think that they were merely puppets of the Catalyst's solution. Unless, and it's a bit of a stretch to say it, they themselves were the original race that was indoctrinated by Star Child himself.

Either way... too little focus is put on SC and since he appears only in ME3, it's kind of hard to make it out to be any kind of final and ultimate enemy. The puppet master of everything. Especially when Bioware for the first two games seemed to work so hard at focusing the puppet master as being Harbinger.

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I just find it difficult to debate the "Ethics" behind each ending when all they really are right now is a different coloured explosion.

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Tealjaker94 wrote...
Sorry. I guess rather than doing what every one of my allies has told me to do, I should have changed everyone's base genetic makeup, without any input from them, because I know what's good for them. That's not self-righteous or arrogant at all.

I call self-righteous your claim that there is only one way to end the war and that discussing the others is a waste of time. Not the choice itself.

And none of Shepard's allies had acess to the new information and possibilities that were given to Shepard. It is outdated information.

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Joe Del Toro wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Glad to see taboo has already got this one. No need to waste my time.

Ah, thank you for providing an example of the self rigtheousness that pollutes most of Destroyers.


You mean just like the Controllers and Synths?


...Dude, is that really what the labels are?

I'm totally calling myself a Destroyer, that's awesome.


We're like warships

Modifié par Tealjaker94, 11 juin 2012 - 03:55 .