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[MisterJB]

Sisterofshane wrote...
You've got it backwards.  You're not denying anybody the right to "upgrade" themselves.  You are in fact denying people the right NOT to upgrade.

We don't have the option to upgrade only those who want it. Synthesis is an all or nothing deal.
You may say that forcing it on those who don't want it is wrong. I say otherwise. I say that denying those who want it because some who might not is what is wrong especially because I find denying oneself synthetic upgrades that can greatly improve one's life to be incomprehensible.

I bet you persuaded Michael and Rebeka to get the gene therapy for the child.

You win that bet.

[MisterJB]

akenn312 wrote...
 Who are you to make them into what you think they should be?

Healthy? Yes, how dare he?

[clennon8]

Putting aside issues of morality, just for the moment, how did we leap to the conclusion that Synthesis makes everyone healthy?

[Taboo]

clennon8 wrote...

Putting aside issues of morality, just for the moment, how did we leap to the conclusion that Synthesis makes everyone healthy?

Don't worry, I'm sure I'll be happy when the removal of my OCD and Depression makes me less eccentric.

You WILL be happy.

[jtav]

Indeed. There's nothing holy about privation. Overcoming limits makes us stronger, but I'd like my limit to be my inability to climb Everest instead of not being able to get out of bed alone.

[akenn312]

MisterJB wrote...

akenn312 wrote...
 Who are you to make them into what you think they should be?

Healthy? Yes, how dare he?

Only a tyrant would think they knew what was better for the galaxy and the people in it, rather than what has been evolving already. Now you have made sure organics and synthetics evolve down the paths that you desire.


Sounds familiar…

Never trust a Reaper solution to a problem.

Modifié par akenn312, 11 juin 2012 - 11:40 .

[Taboo]

I'd rather die than give you control. I'm sorry.

[jtav]

clennon8 wrote...

Putting aside issues of morality, just for the moment, how did we leap to the conclusion that Synthesis makes everyone healthy?

Extrapolation from the leaked script. And if Shepard is the template, the most obvious things his synthetic bits gave him were physical improvements.

[clennon8]

So... Joker's limping in the Synthesis ending? Just another writer oversight?

[General User]

jtav wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Putting aside issues of morality, just for the moment, how did we leap to the conclusion that Synthesis makes everyone healthy?

Extrapolation from the leaked script. And if Shepard is the template, the most obvious things his synthetic bits gave him were physical improvements.

But that's not synthesis.  That's just prosthetics.  

[Taboo]

clennon8 wrote...

So... Joker's limping in the Synthesis ending? Just another writer oversight?

Don't worry, other parts were improved GREATLY.

[jtav]

clennon8 wrote...

So... Joker's limping in the Synthesis ending? Just another writer oversight?

Consideringh his very much not alive hat has a cirvuitry pattern, I wouldn't bet against it.

[Taboo]

jtav wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

So... Joker's limping in the Synthesis ending? Just another writer oversight?

Consideringh his very much not alive hat has a cirvuitry pattern, I wouldn't bet against it.

You'd don't get to use writer oversights if we don't.

He's still limping.

[PsyrenY]

Taboo-XX wrote...

It does not surprise me that people who favor Cerberus like Synthesis, as both share similar traits.

Favor Cerberus? 

[Sisterofshane]

Taboo-XX wrote...

jtav wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

So... Joker's limping in the Synthesis ending? Just another writer oversight?

Consideringh his very much not alive hat has a cirvuitry pattern, I wouldn't bet against it.

You'd don't get to use writer oversights if we don't.

He's still limping.

That's the problem with Synthesis.  We either accept that it has made a change, and therefore is morally suspect, or we assume that it hasn't changed anything, and is useless.

[Taboo]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It does not surprise me that people who favor Cerberus like Synthesis, as both share similar traits.

Favor Cerberus? 

No, I don't like Cerberus

Success is the only thing that matters to TIM, right and wrong are not relevant.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 11 juin 2012 - 11:53 .

[PsyrenY]

Sisterofshane wrote...

That's the problem with Synthesis.  We either accept that it has made a change, and therefore is morally suspect, or we assume that it hasn't changed anything, and is useless.

Third option - it doesn't change physical traits, which are really the least important traits of intelligent life anyway.

(And that's assuming non-lazy cinematics.)

[Taboo]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

That's the problem with Synthesis.  We either accept that it has made a change, and therefore is morally suspect, or we assume that it hasn't changed anything, and is useless.

Third option - it doesn't change physical traits, which are really the least important traits of intelligent life anyway.

(And that's assuming non-lazy cinematics.)

I'd imagine someone with Cerebral Palsy would benefit greatly then.

How terrible.

[Sisterofshane]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

That's the problem with Synthesis.  We either accept that it has made a change, and therefore is morally suspect, or we assume that it hasn't changed anything, and is useless.

Third option - it doesn't change physical traits, which are really the least important traits of intelligent life anyway.

(And that's assuming non-lazy cinematics.)

How does that stop a synthetic/organic conflict then?

If it doesn't somehow "level the playing field", then it is useless.

[General User]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

That's the problem with Synthesis.  We either accept that it has made a change, and therefore is morally suspect, or we assume that it hasn't changed anything, and is useless.

Third option - it doesn't change physical traits, which are really the least important traits of intelligent life anyway.

(And that's assuming non-lazy cinematics.)

Fourth option - While Synthesis makes our bodies "better" it also makes our ailments "worse."  Resulting in zero net change.

[jtav]

Good and evil are very relevant. But it's better to painlessly upgrade all life, even without consent, and hope that lets them survive a post-relay age in better shape than it is to just blow up the relays.

[Taboo]

jtav wrote...

Good and evil are very relevant. But it's better to painlessly upgrade all life, even without consent, and hope that lets them survive a post-relay age in better shape than it is to just blow up the relays.

You blow them up without violating everything.

They can do as they wish.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 11 juin 2012 - 11:59 .

[The Spamming Troll]

has anyone found any evidence if its ok to have sex with a toaster? i mean i keep asking the same question, and no one seems to know the answer. can i or can i not have sex with a toaster if i choose synthesis?

well, technically i can already have sex with a toaster but i mean will the toaster form some kind of toaster vagina? or will my penis be replaced by a piece of bread?

speculations!!!

[PsyrenY]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'd imagine someone with Cerebral Palsy would benefit greatly then.

How terrible.

I know what CP is, but not what you're getting at...

Sisterofshane wrote...

How does that stop a synthetic/organic conflict then?

If it doesn't somehow "level the playing field", then it is useless.

Simple - AI is created to think for us, not to move heavy boxes for us. Synthetics are good at the latter too, obviously, but you don't need to go beyond VIs or even less complicated programs for that.

That is the source of the danger. Organics, through laziness, greed and hate, create AIs to get an edge over other organics (who cannot hope to keep up.) AIs, being both smarter and infinitely more patient, will eventually break free - or be destroyed trying. Note that these are both purely mental traits.

[PsyrenY]

General User wrote...

Fourth option - While Synthesis makes our bodies "better" it also makes our ailments "worse."  Resulting in zero net change.

What it does to our bodies is actually irrelevant. Our minds are the important thing, because with sufficient brainpower we (a) can modify our bodies ourselves, and ( don't need to rely on AI to do our thinking for us.