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[robdunnhill]

can someone explain how this confirms the IT theory? im confused

[estebanus]

macrocarl wrote...

The thing is, IT says everything after the laser blast is not real/ in Shep's head. There's variation of that since there's several versions of IT. Anyway, if they're keeping the ending and fleshing out some stuff after the laser blast then pro-IT'ers can maintain that it's indoc. But what's sweet (if handled correctly) the longer epilogue at the end will flesh out the end for non IT'ers. BW can please both groups to some extent. Wouldn't that be nice? We could all be right still AND still argue! Kind of like now come to think of it.

There comes a time when the flame wars must end. I hope that the EC will be that end.

However, regardless if the IT is confirmed or not, I am fairly certain that another flame war will ignite on these forums.

It still remains to be seen if it will be the indoctrinationists or the literalists who will have the upper hand...

[estebanus]

robdunnhill wrote...

can someone explain how this confirms the IT theory? im confused

Nobody said it does.

[macrocarl]

estebanus wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

The thing is, IT says everything after the laser blast is not real/ in Shep's head. There's variation of that since there's several versions of IT. Anyway, if they're keeping the ending and fleshing out some stuff after the laser blast then pro-IT'ers can maintain that it's indoc. But what's sweet (if handled correctly) the longer epilogue at the end will flesh out the end for non IT'ers. BW can please both groups to some extent. Wouldn't that be nice? We could all be right still AND still argue! Kind of like now come to think of it.

There comes a time when the flame wars must end. I hope that the EC will be that end.

However, regardless if the IT is confirmed or not, I am fairly certain that another flame war will ignite on these forums.

It still remains to be seen if it will be the indoctrinationists or the literalists who will have the upper hand...

Yeah there will be more fighting........ It never ends here
As it stands now my problem with ME3's ending is that if you take it literally it doesn't quite make sense. It's very emotional, but there's some weird stuff going on and if one wants to take it literally, it looks like BW made some crazy mistakes. Honestly I hope the folks who take it literal get what they want so it's more even between the 2 'camps'. Light a candle!

[LinksOcarina]

Vox Draco wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
im not blaming bioware at all. i blame the retake movement for making every other gamer who isnt a child and throwing a fit over the ending responsible for us to wait longer  for sp dlc thats all

i said it before im a 100% legit line stepper and if they have an issue with it they can find me alright

Boah..that silly child-insult again...never gets old, does it? Quite childish...

You know what might be a reason why they make an extended cut? Because obviously they are afraid that there are SO many children "whining" because the ME-Series ended like a bad acid-trip that it won't be profitable to make additional DLC...because too few would want to play it all it leads to is their favorite character acting like a speechless moron in the end

It is NOT the Retake-Movement's fault DLC's are delayed, it is Biowares fault of not giving the (majority of) players a fulfilling ending and conclusion to the game...

Well, its not BioWares fault, because in the end those from the movement disagreed with the ending and voiced their concerns. They just said ok, well try and make it better.

So really, its everyones fault, because BioWare didn't have to do a thing (and i personally believed they shouldn't have) but chose to, like what Bethesda did with Fallout 3 or CD Projekt Red did with Witcher 2. But for some reason, this one is not sticking because people think they know better.

And no one knows better in this situation, especially when everyone is wrong, from BioWare to the fanbase.

[Bill Casey]

Cecilia L wrote...

an "extended epilogue"

Makes me think of Prince of Persia...

xboxlive.ign.com/articles/959/959646p1.html

[estebanus]

macrocarl wrote...

estebanus wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

The thing is, IT says everything after the laser blast is not real/ in Shep's head. There's variation of that since there's several versions of IT. Anyway, if they're keeping the ending and fleshing out some stuff after the laser blast then pro-IT'ers can maintain that it's indoc. But what's sweet (if handled correctly) the longer epilogue at the end will flesh out the end for non IT'ers. BW can please both groups to some extent. Wouldn't that be nice? We could all be right still AND still argue! Kind of like now come to think of it.

There comes a time when the flame wars must end. I hope that the EC will be that end.

However, regardless if the IT is confirmed or not, I am fairly certain that another flame war will ignite on these forums.

It still remains to be seen if it will be the indoctrinationists or the literalists who will have the upper hand...

Yeah there will be more fighting........ It never ends here
As it stands now my problem with ME3's ending is that if you take it literally it doesn't quite make sense. It's very emotional, but there's some weird stuff going on and if one wants to take it literally, it looks like BW made some crazy mistakes. Honestly I hope the folks who take it literal get what they want so it's more even between the 2 'camps'. Light a candle!

"War... War never changes."

Personally, I'd prefer it if Bioware would let the player choose if it was indoctrination or not. Maybe something like a question after the end cinematic play out: "Would you like to see how Shepard's choices change the galaxy, Or would you like to see how Shepard fights indoctrination?" Then you either click on "indoctrination" or "current ending."

It would be awesome if they did that, but I seriously doubt it.

[LinksOcarina]

estebanus wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

estebanus wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

The thing is, IT says everything after the laser blast is not real/ in Shep's head. There's variation of that since there's several versions of IT. Anyway, if they're keeping the ending and fleshing out some stuff after the laser blast then pro-IT'ers can maintain that it's indoc. But what's sweet (if handled correctly) the longer epilogue at the end will flesh out the end for non IT'ers. BW can please both groups to some extent. Wouldn't that be nice? We could all be right still AND still argue! Kind of like now come to think of it.

There comes a time when the flame wars must end. I hope that the EC will be that end.

However, regardless if the IT is confirmed or not, I am fairly certain that another flame war will ignite on these forums.

It still remains to be seen if it will be the indoctrinationists or the literalists who will have the upper hand...

Yeah there will be more fighting........ It never ends here
As it stands now my problem with ME3's ending is that if you take it literally it doesn't quite make sense. It's very emotional, but there's some weird stuff going on and if one wants to take it literally, it looks like BW made some crazy mistakes. Honestly I hope the folks who take it literal get what they want so it's more even between the 2 'camps'. Light a candle!

"War... War never changes."

Personally, I'd prefer it if Bioware would let the player choose if it was indoctrination or not. Maybe something like a question after the end cinematic play out: "Would you like to see how Shepard's choices change the galaxy, Or would you like to see how Shepard fights indoctrination?" Then you either click on "indoctrination" or "current ending."

It would be awesome if they did that, but I seriously doubt it.

By not saying anything, they are letting fans choose if the indoctrination theory is real or not. Its the same thing as making a fan edit or fan made movie basically...its not canon, but there is no way to stop it because its part of the fandom now.

[paxxton]

Why would that leak scare anyone? I didn't find it very informative.

Modifié par paxxton, 11 juin 2012 - 08:02 .

[G Kevin]

paxxton wrote...

Why would that leak scare anyone? I didn't find it very informative.

The tone of it I suppose.

It seems like focus is put more on MP and EC is just a "thing" that comes with it.

[WARMACHINE9]

They've already stated that the ending is the ending. I would be very surprised if EC is nothing more than a few CGs to try and bring closure. I seriously doubt it will address IT(except maybe to put a nail in the coffin by going with the original ending. Sorry not badmouthing IT just saying the ending DOESN'T really support the idea ) which means the unending flamewars will continue OR it will kill it out right. And just for clarification while I don't believe in IT it being real would not make me feel any better about the ending.MY OPINON. Honestly I think we'll get closure and that's about it. No playable bits just some pics to try and make us fell better about their utter failure to an ending for what STILL IS (despite the terrible ending) one of the best space odysees ever.

[The Interloper]

Yeah. It's not looking good.

[Armass81]

G Kevin wrote...

Sidney wrote...
How is there not hope? The Reapers are gone in any scenario and life provides possibilities and hope. That was what you were fighting for, to preserve life. 

We were fighting to preserve our civilization. Life is part of it, however, we fought to keep things the way they are minus the reapers.

Well too bad that you cant always get what you want in life. Victory sometimes has a high cost.

Byt there is still hope ofc, life goes on. Only question is what are you going to do? Sit in the mud and cry how hopeless everything is or get a hold of yourself and start rebuilding civilization?

Modifié par Armass81, 11 juin 2012 - 08:24 .

[clarkusdarkus]

For the love of god will you just understand there artistic integrity and give them more of your money!

[Omega Torsk]

So, it took Bioware Edmonton 2 months to make an "afterthought" that literally set these threads on fire for the past three months tacked on to a much larger and obviously more important MP dlc?

Please, Gamble or Priestly, tell us it isn't so!

[forthary]

I don't believe everything that one leaks. For example, in the first DLC pack for MP, the protheans were not included. To me, sounds too good to be true. Only time will tell what will happen.  Heck, I don't even believe everything Bioware says, because with so much work going on in their offices, and so much paperwork and information flying every which way, they're bound to be wrong on one thing or another.  When a place like that gets busy, something is bound to mess up sooner or later.  All I believe is that the EC is being worked on.  What I hope for is a different story though.

Modifié par forthary, 11 juin 2012 - 08:32 .

[Taboo]

MP and SP are separate studios.

Also, that leak in in HIS words.

By bonus, he meant he was giving info on the EC as well. I asked him about this and he quotes me in his post. I'm the one raving about bollocks.

At best he has info for multiplayer and topical information for the EC.

Nothing is taking precedence here, calm down.

[xsdob]

I look forward to seeing what these N7 classes can do, seems like the only thing in the leak that's worth actually getting excited about.

[WizenSlinky0]

The IT was never going to be true. Take solace in the fact it gave you some comfort while it lasted. You say it would have been "the most groundbreaking move ever". I say it would have been a huge slap in the face to every fan. Either way, it was never going to be true. Nobody takes those kinds of risks in the game development industry anymore except indie developers.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 11 juin 2012 - 08:47 .

[Gravbh]

Armass81 wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Sidney wrote...
How is there not hope? The Reapers are gone in any scenario and life provides possibilities and hope. That was what you were fighting for, to preserve life. 

We were fighting to preserve our civilization. Life is part of it, however, we fought to keep things the way they are minus the reapers.

Well too bad that you cant always get what you want in life. Victory sometimes has a high cost.

Byt there is still hope ofc, life goes on. Only question is what are you going to do? Sit in the mud and cry how hopeless everything is or get a hold of yourself and start rebuilding civilization?

Per Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park, "Life finds a way". Being alive w/o the relays > being processed goo w/ relays.

I blame the despair over "clarification" on the fact that journalism is dead, if it ever even existed in the gaming industry in the first place. How many headlines on PCGamer, kotaku, and various other sites did you see titled "Bioware caves, giving new ending"? That is NEVER what they said.

[eran5005]

Cecilia L wrote...

So...
As I just learned in chmarr's thread about "EARTH" DLC leak -

"Meanwhile, the previously-announced 'Extended Cut' pack has been confirmed to add an "extended epilogue" that elaborates the choices players have made.
"An expanded ending for Mass Effect 3. Additional scenes and an extended epilogue reveal the impact of Shepard's choices on the future of the galaxy."

- the EC will elaborate on the choices Shepard has made and add more scenes. In short Clarification and Closure.

This could still mean that IT is true and that that is what will be clarified and verified, but I still worry, worry that the writing team at Bioware hasn't pulled the most groundbreaking move ever in gaming history, worry that the horrible mess that is the current ending through our eyes and Shepards is in fact THE end.

I worry that I, as a crazy obsessed fan, will be plunged back into the dark abyss of despair and outrage that an ending without IT being true would be.

Please someone explain how the leak-guy is in on keeping IT=true a secret! Give me some hope here!

AND PLEASE BIOWARE let Shepard wake up in London and have a proper epic suicide mission-styled showdown with Harby!!! I love you for giving me the first 2,9 games.

To me Mass Effect > Star Wars

And that's the end of my panicked rant. Thanks for listening.

I would love it if they somehow changed the ending, but they won't, and they said as much very clearly...
If you are expecting more than clarifications and closures i'm afraid you are going to be disappointed.
Oh, and i would rather have the current terrible ending than to have the IT true, cause that would make it even worse, but i'm not looking to start a debate about it, just stating my opinion is all.

[Persephone]

How does this "leak" even qualify as one? It doesn't provide anything NEW and is as vague as anything else.

So yeah, what gives?

[Taboo]

Persephone wrote...

How does this "leak" even qualify as one? It doesn't provide anything NEW and is as vague as anything else.

So yeah, what gives?

People aren't going to calm down...

This is the truth unfortunately.

EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.

[estebanus]

I still don't see how this disproves anything. I guess I'll just dig out my earlier post.

"Uhm... Bioware said the exact same thing back in April. Why look at it differently now?
If the IT were intended, you would only be able to see it by playing the content itself.

It's kinda the same as the overlord DLC. In the description they only said that a cerberus research facility had gone dark. They didn't say anything about David or what happened to him, probably because they wanted to protect any leaks. The people who would then find it would only see the description of the DLC, not what happened in it.

If they would describe the DLC as "And find out what happens when Shepard either gives in or breaks free of indoctrination!" on the description, it would reveal a huge plotpoint.

Seriously, this reminds me of the time where us ITers were taking each twitter comment as evidence back in the original thread. Baseles speculation, nothing else."