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[Evo_9]

I think many are expecting way too much from this DLC.

the DLC is only going to be a few cinematcis and epilogues to help clarifty the ending. I personally dont like epilogues, it seems like a bandaid. I didnt buy this game to read the ending in a few paragraphs.

But If you are expecting more than this you are setting yourself up for depression. DLC leak pretty much confirms the EC is taking backseat to multiplayer dlc.

Modifié par Evo_9, 12 juin 2012 - 01:01 .

[Armass81]

G Kevin wrote...

Armass81 wrote...
Well too bad that you cant always get what you want in life. Victory sometimes has a high cost.

Byt there is still hope ofc, life goes on. Only question is what are you going to do? Sit in the mud and cry how hopeless everything is or get a hold of yourself and start rebuilding civilization?

This is a video game. Anything is possible.

Just like the Crucible, Bioware always has a way to fix problems.

We shouldn't have to rebuild the civilization in the first place. It would not me Mass Effect anymore.

Thats like saying Star Wars aint Star Wars anymore because it takes place 4000 years in the future from kotor. Same Universe, familiar things still there.

But what can you do, some people fear change above all. They prefer status quo, whether it be in a game or real life.

Modifié par Armass81, 12 juin 2012 - 02:30 .

[cuzsal]

Evo_9 wrote...

I think many are expecting way too much from this DLC.

the DLC is only going to be a few cinematcis and epilogues to help clarifty the ending. I personally dont like epilogues, it seems like a bandaid. I didnt buy this game to read the ending in a few paragraphs.

But If you are expecting more than this you are setting yourself up for depression. DLC leak pretty much confirms the EC is taking backseat to multiplayer dlc.

it is sad but i think you are right, it seem bioware does not care much for story any more, just multiplayer EA has taken control 110% ;(

[loungeshep]

pharsti wrote...

That "leak" said nothing new, some people, like it seems to be the case with yourself OP, just refuse to accept what BW already said, the EC will just give some sense of closure to the 3 endings you got, yes, those were endings, there is no IT nonsense

This.^

[Majin Paul]

Isn't that info pretty much what Bioware said regarding the EC? It doens't look like it either confirms or denies if IT is still possible.

[Jamie9]

They're showing the EC at comic-con. Just wait until then before jumping to conclusions. Feel free to be optimistic or cynical, however. It's your prerogative.

[Cecilia L]

Genuine surprise: Wow, this thread is still alive

@Armass81 I find your comparison to Star Wars strange. Of course SW is still SW 4000 years in the past/future. They still have the Force, Jedi, Sith, shady cantinas and bounty hunters.

Removing Mass Effect technology from MASS EFFECT however is a tiny bit more of a significant change. Like taking away the Force.

And it's not just that they can't go anywhere. Their entire culture will change because of this. It will not be the same world.

[Grubas]

So ambigious... It promises nothing and everything. We still dont have any clues that point us to where the ec is going.

[Alexius]

How exactly is this EC-related leak saying something you needed special intel to write? It's not like the description hasn't been sitting around Bioware's blog for some months now...

[ed87]

Taboo-XX wrote...

This is nothing different than the PR statement released in April.

I cannot possibly understand why this wasn't taken seriously back then.

I notice people here speculate too much based on very little information. The lack of comprehension just makes it worse. 

When ME3's voice actors mention on Twitter that theyre back in the studio at Bioware, people see this as news as if they were expecting an EC without any dialogue.

My guess is people are getting too anxious and the lack of communication from Bioware isnt helping

[MoonsKisu]

Jonata wrote...

It scares more to me that the DLC leak sounded like:

"TONS OF NEW MULTIPLAYER CONTENT! - oh, yes, and some EC-stuff for SP."

Exactly!

[Apocaleepse360]

Jonata wrote...

It scares more to me that the DLC leak sounded like:

"TONS OF NEW MULTIPLAYER CONTENT! - oh, yes, and some EC-stuff for SP."

This.

[G Kevin]

Armass81 wrote...
Thats like saying Star Wars aint Star Wars anymore because it takes place 4000 years in the future from kotor. Same Universe, familiar things still there.

But what can you do, some people fear change above all. They prefer status quo, whether it be in a game or real life.

I am not familiar with Star Wars, only seen the first movie. (Episode 4?)

Didn't they still have iconic things that people remember.

When you think of Mass Effect, what are the three things that come to mind?

For me, it's Space, Mass Relays, and the Citadel.

[Taboo]

Clarification wasn't the only word in the FAQ, but people have assigned meaning to it for whatever reason.

I told you weeks ago there would be Voice Actors, I told you weeks ago that it would be substantial. I told you weeks ago that it wouldn't be just cinematics. This isn't difficult to figure out.

Read the FAQ again and come back.

[Mobius-Silent]

Armass81 wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

We shouldn't have to rebuild the civilization in the first place. It would not me Mass Effect anymore.

Thats like saying Star Wars aint Star Wars anymore because it takes place 4000 years in the future from kotor. Same Universe, familiar things still there.

But what can you do, some people fear change above all. They prefer status quo, whether it be in a game or real life.

I know this is heresy in these forums but [Ko]ToR is _terrible_ Starwars, worse-than-the-prequels-bad, Yuzang-Vong-bad, Holiday-Special-bad. 
[Ko]ToR  is what you get when people can't seperate their love of D&D from their desire to see more Starwars. 
[Ko]ToR is to Starwars what Shadowrun was to Cyberpunk, a cheesy knockoff that completely betrayed the core tenets of the setting by shoehorning in unrelated nonsense.

When I played KotOR I thought to myself "This is terrible Starwars but there is a good game/story under the layers of crap, I'd love to see Bioware make their own Sci-Fi setting, I bet that would be good." Hence my love of Mass Effect.

Mass Effect, as a setting, has a number of setting defining iconic elements:

The Mass Relays
The Citadel
The Council/ The political landscape
The technological semi-stagnation creating a stable enough arena for interesing personal development
The Mystery of the Protheans/Previous cycles/Reapers.

The identity of the setting could survive the destruction of some of these, but all? No, it will just be some other setting that I have no interest in.

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 14 juin 2012 - 11:18 .

[daecath]

I don't get all the panic over this. The president of the company said the exact same thing two months ago when they released the info on the EC. Did you just assume he was lying? Do you think that some anonymous user on a forum somewhere has more information about the company than the president? They aren't changing the ending. They've said it over and over. And yes, you should be worried because, unless they change the ending, or invalidate it (ie. Indoctrination Theory) and then change the ending, it will still suck. In fact, it will probably suck more because they'll need more space magic and technobabble to explain the space magic that we already have.

[die-yng]

At the moment I don't have high hopes for the DLC.

If what has been said about it so far is true, then it won't change the giant Rud sandwich we got as an ending at all. Just explain to us dumb fans how it works.

Sorry, but since it doesn't work, any attempt to clarify it is pointless.

I give BW the benefit of a doubt and wait patiently. I just hope they realise that a lot hinges on the EC DLC and that the backlash when it dissappoints will probably be almost as much as with the ending.

[Necrotron]

It will have to go one way or the other, and considering all evidence points to the fact that IT was not Bioware's intention, I suspect a lot of upset people, from both the 'liked the ending' and 'hated the ending' camps.

But I really, really, really hope I am pleasantly surprised.

[NUM13ER]

In all fairness this leak is no more or less vague than the other alleged leaks months ago. Saying there's going to be extended epilogues and more personalised endings when that was announced from the start offers nothing new. None of these so-called leaks venture far from the scant few details offered in the original press months ago.

Modifié par NUM13ER, 14 juin 2012 - 09:28 .

[SaladinDheonqar]

Bioware's already dead to me, so I'm not really expecting anything. Most likely, we'll get some slides & text, and the possibility for your shep to reunite with your LI. They'll be hoping that that, combined with the elapsed time, be enough to appease the mob.

[ssltrain]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

Mass Effect, as a setting, has a number of defining axioms:

The Mass Relays
The Citadel
The Council/ The political landscape
The technological semi-stagnation creating a stable enough arena for interesing personal development
The Mystery of the Protheans/Previous cycles/Reapers.

The identity of the setting could survive the destruction of some of these, but all? No, it will just be some other setting that I have no interest in.

1) I liked KOTOR. Some parts seemed a little too convenient plot-wise, and I hate turn based gameplay, but overall I enjoyed it.

2) None of what you listed are examples of axioms. You might want to look that word up.

Modifié par ssltrain, 14 juin 2012 - 10:43 .

[Mobius-Silent]

ssltrain wrote...
1) I liked KOTOR. Some parts seemed a little too convenient plot-wise, and I hate turn based gameplay, but overall I enjoyed it.

 

Lots of people did, people also like the Yuzang Vong EU novels. Doesn't mean they were good Starwars

ssltrain wrote... 
2) None of what you listed are examples of axioms. You might want to look that word up.

I assumed that I didn't need to expand upong something that everyone knew like:

"The existance of the mass relays provides a method of fast interstellar travel without automatically inferring that all the races posess weapons and/or technology of a similar level"

But fine how about "Setting defining iconic elements"

[die-yng]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

ssltrain wrote...
1) I liked KOTOR. Some parts seemed a little too convenient plot-wise, and I hate turn based gameplay, but overall I enjoyed it.

 

Lots of people did, people also like the Yuzang Vong EU novels. Doesn't mean they were good Starwars

ssltrain wrote... 
2) None of what you listed are examples of axioms. You might want to look that word up.

I assumed that I didn't need to expand upong something that everyone knew like:

"The existance of the mass relays provides a method of fast interstellar travel without automatically inferring that all the races posess weapons and/or technology of a similar level"

But fine how about "Setting defining iconic elements"

I hope you realize that saying KOTOR or the Yuzhang Vong novels are bad Star Wars is nothing more than a personal opinion.
To a lot of people it was and is a very good part of Star Wars and the YV books reinvigorated the Star Wars novel line (which was in dire need of that, since it kept rehashing the same old plotlines again and again).

I have absolutely nothing against the Mass Effect universe changing in a big way, as long as Shepard's story is brought to an acceptable ending.
It would be strange to see a Mass Effect game without an actual Mass Effect (although the weapons would still exist) but a severely changed setting would also offer new opportunities f.e. even finding away to reinstall the relay network could be an interesting plot point.

[ssltrain]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

ssltrain wrote... 
2) None of what you listed are examples of axioms. You might want to look that word up.

I assumed that I didn't need to expand upong something that everyone knew like:

"The existance of the mass relays provides a method of fast interstellar travel without automatically inferring that all the races posess weapons and/or technology of a similar level"

But fine how about "Setting defining iconic elements"

That's fine. However that term and the way you used it has absolutely no relevant connection with the definition of the word "axiom." 

[chuckwells62]

Curious!

Three months of constant harping here in the forums about the ending flap, wider media coverage about the resulting fan blowback, Better Business Bureau, FTC, ASA all weighing in with their opinions, AND EA Games/Bioware clearly stating SEVEN WAYS FROM SUNDAY (and then reiterating it out the wazoo) that the "Extended Cut" would only offer clarification. They aren't going to change the ending(s). There will be no game play incorporated in the EC; just cut scenes. Their lofty artistic integrity under siege, they've circled the corporate wagons, and this is all she wrote.

And people still hold out some ridiculous hope that the botched franchise swan song can be salvaged? Baffling! Look, I enjoyed the game right up until they pulled a fast one and shat upon much of what they had specifically promised their customers. Doesn't matter whether it was dictated by EA corporate types, or Mac Walters and Casey Hudson huddled in a bunker to the exclusion of of the rest of the team, or a joint desire to strip mine multi-player ad infinitum, or anything else.

Friends the die was cast! I AM curious to see how they wriggle out of their gaffe via the EC, but they have already ruined what should have been an epic conclusion. It was a great gaming experience, BUT they said one thing, and then did another. Game over!