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[BERT AND ERNY]

people dont like getting outscored by them. i have one and personaly dont like it so dont use it. i have however played with people using it (alot  ) . i get outscored by this gun. its because, i think, of the way it works, e.i splash damage, explosive rounds etc. i just dont think it matters. mobs are still dying and waves are getting done. thats the important bit right? i spose once in a while ill use it because yeah, i like to blow **** up, but its not my go to gun at all. but to call for nerfs because im suddenly not on the topspot as much anymore would be daft. and 1 more thing, and i know this is not universal, but most of the time the guys using the krysae are relying heavily on the gun and when stuff gets fubar they crumble. you have to admit tho its cool seeing a cerb trooper just turn to a red cloud. lol material.

[cuzIMgood]

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

people dont like getting outscored by them.

Nope.

[Domnuxx]

I outscored people using it, and got outscored by others.

I don't like it, therefore I don't use it.

I don't care what happens to it.

[Adhok42]

We asked for a sniper rifle that fires explosives rounds and for it to do exactly like the Krysae.

They gave it to us.

Now we're acting like a bunch of spoiled brats because we got what we asked for.

I don't think we'll see anything good added to the game for awhile.

Thanks Nerf Herders. This is why we can't have nice things. We ask, Bioware delivers, we complain about it to make Bioware take it back. You just can't be happy at all can you?

[Veedrock]

Nope indeed.

[VRtheTrooper]

Domnux wrote...

I outscored people using it, and got outscored by others.

I don't like it, therefore I don't use it.

I don't care what happens to it.

^this

[BERT AND ERNY]

there is no possible other reason. and before you shout "balance" the only reason balance would make a diff is to tighten up the scores. which are irrevelent. its not like we are competing. if they give you a gun that can obliterate the badguys, how can you have issue with that?

[PoetryAvenger]

Adhok42 wrote...

We asked for a sniper rifle that fires explosives rounds and for it to do exactly like the Krysae.

They gave it to us.

Now we're acting like a bunch of spoiled brats because we got what we asked for.

I don't think we'll see anything good added to the game for awhile.

Thanks Nerf Herders. This is why we can't have nice things. We ask, Bioware delivers, we complain about it to make Bioware take it back. You just can't be happy at all can you?

If you want to construct a well-balanced argument, don't use a nebulous "we" to thrust blame on the side you don't agree with.
Please consider this in the future, and thank you.

[Chealec]

Nothing to do with score - everything to do with fun ... the Krysae destroys teamplay, destroys the challenge in gold games, promotes leeching and is arguably the worst thing to happen to ME3MP since launch - if I want to see a Cerberus Trooper gib I'll use a Batarian Soldier.

[dddawda]

Domnux wrote...

I outscored people using it, and got outscored by others.

I don't like it, therefore I don't use it.

I don't care what happens to it.

This.

[cuzIMgood]

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

there is no possible other reason. and before you shout "balance" the only reason balance would make a diff is to tighten up the scores. which are irrevelent. its not like we are competing. if they give you a gun that can obliterate the badguys, how can you have issue with that?

No actually it is because of balance so get over yourself.  I play with every class/weapon in this game and I like to see them all reasonably viable options for gold.  Currently, the krysae is much more powerful than many of its counterparts completely shadowing them and making them obsolete.  I really couldn't care less what place I come in for score.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

I want people to be at their best with the best weapons.

[GodTukka]

cuzIMgood wrote...

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

there is no possible other reason. and before you shout "balance" the only reason balance would make a diff is to tighten up the scores. which are irrevelent. its not like we are competing. if they give you a gun that can obliterate the badguys, how can you have issue with that?

No actually it is because of balance so get over yourself.  I play with every class/weapon in this game and I like to see them all reasonably viable options for gold.  Currently, the krysae is much more powerful than many of its counterparts completely shadowing them and making them obsolete.  I really couldn't care less what place I come in for score.

That's a lie, the Vailant is just as good if not better if you're a good shot.

People need to stop whining and deal with it, it's a co-op game ffs, plus having a good Kyrase user is a damn good thing on Gold

[InfamousResult]

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

people dont like getting outscored by them.

Wrong.

If I cared about scores, I wouldn't so often agree to be part of Biotic Duos where I'm the one who gets all the assists, and never gets the kills. Trust me, if I call for a nerf or balance on something, it's because I legitimately believe it is unbalanced.. Not because of whatever silly assumption is convenient for you to make of my character as a player.

What if I just assume that you said this because you KNOW it's OP, and you just don't want it rebalanced because you are bad at the game and wouldn't be able to beat Gold any more?

[Qeylis]

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

there is no possible other reason. and before you shout "balance" the only reason balance would make a diff is to tighten up the scores. which are irrevelent. its not like we are competing. if they give you a gun that can obliterate the badguys, how can you have issue with that?

Because having a gun that you don't even have to aim is very, very boring.  I like the area affect, but the proximity detonation is boring.  That is my one and only complaint.  Aiming is fun, I play shooters to aim at things and watch them blow up.  You don't have to aim the Krysae.  I've fired blindly and gotten a kill more times than I can say.

Speed up the round (Buff).  Disable proximity effect (Nerf).  Increase area effect damage while maintaining 1.5 AoE (Buff).  Decrease number of rounds to 2 per reload (Nerf).

I don't want it nerfed, I want it to be fun.

People like to aim.  Aiming is fun.

[Chealec]

GodTukka wrote...
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People need to stop whining and deal with it, it's a co-op game ffs, plus having a good Kyrase user is a damn good thing on Gold

How? Because turns it into Silver? That's a good thing?



(can you tell I'm getting bored of this argument?)

Modifié par Chealec, 11 juin 2012 - 05:38 .

[cuzIMgood]

GodTukka wrote...

cuzIMgood wrote...

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

there is no possible other reason. and before you shout "balance" the only reason balance would make a diff is to tighten up the scores. which are irrevelent. its not like we are competing. if they give you a gun that can obliterate the badguys, how can you have issue with that?

No actually it is because of balance so get over yourself.  I play with every class/weapon in this game and I like to see them all reasonably viable options for gold.  Currently, the krysae is much more powerful than many of its counterparts completely shadowing them and making them obsolete.  I really couldn't care less what place I come in for score.

That's a lie, the Vailant is just as good if not better if you're a good shot.

People need to stop whining and deal with it, it's a co-op game ffs, plus having a good Kyrase user is a damn good thing on Gold

The Valiant is better, on one target.  However, enemies often spawn or just end up bunched in groups allowing the Kyrsae to kill multiple enemies making it the best gun in the game in most situations.

Also, don't really care if I have a "good kyrsae" user on my team seeing as the game has already become ridiculously easy.

[Lord Rosario]

Chealec wrote...

Nothing to do with score - everything to do with fun ... the Krysae destroys teamplay, destroys the challenge in gold games, promotes leeching and is arguably the worst thing to happen to ME3MP since launch - if I want to see a Cerberus Trooper gib I'll use a Batarian Soldier.

You know, if you use the Krysae as it was MEANT to be used [As a staggering croud control that does good, but not great damage] then it is a fantastic team weapon. The only reason people are outscoring that I have seen with the Krysae, might not be true for everyone, is because they get assists on nearly everything. Try using the Krysae on a a class like the Vorcha and stop using it on the Geth Infiltrator.. I can seriously outscore 90% of people with nothing but melee on a Geth Infiltrator. It is not the gun that is op. It's not the classes that are op. It's the combination of them.

[Veedrock]

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

there is no possible other reason. and before you shout "balance" the only reason balance would make a diff is to tighten up the scores. which are irrevelent. its not like we are competing. if they give you a gun that can obliterate the badguys, how can you have issue with that?

You genuinely don't understand how people can have an issue with broken gameplay?

Take a moment to consider that people have been asking for Platinum difficulty for awhile now. They want it because they like a challenge, they consider it fun. The game is about the gameplay to them, "press to win" doesn't fly well with them so they want something harder. But when considering making a higher difficulty, maybe the problem isn't that Gold is too easy/not hard enough, but that what we're using is broken relative to it.

That is why powerful things need nerfed. We don't have to be competing with one another for balance to be applicable. Some people simply don't find isn't very fun with the Krysae involved; it doesn't matter that it isn't a competition and it certainly isn't about score. You don't have to agree with it, but at the very least you need to understand it.

Modifié par Veedrock, 11 juin 2012 - 05:48 .

[Chealec]

Lord Rosario wrote...

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It is not the gun that is op. It's not the classes that are op. It's the combination of them.

... funny - if you'd read any of my previous posts on the matter you'd see that's actually what I've said all along - but I'm getting sick of being labelled a "whiner" for suggesting things like "make the Krysae incompatible with tier 6 TC sniper rifle damage evolution" when score has absolutely nothing to do with my reasoning, fun and challenge everything.

Every thread on the Krysae the OP chimes in with something to the effect of "stop whining because you're getting outscored" ... every, single, time ... so I've decided to treat this thread with the full contempt it deserves.

[Mozts]

Score = crap.

Nerfers rarely talk about it, anti-nerfers always do.

Modifié par Mozts, 11 juin 2012 - 05:49 .

[Killahead]

No. When I play gold I just don't want it to play out like bronze. With the increasing number of Krysae users in the lobbies I find less and less games that are actually worthwhile, that actually feel rewarding. Matches become tedious, because I know that we will win. Doesn't matter if it guarantees credits, I will leave such a team after a successful but utterly boring match. Not only do I expect more of a challenge from gold, but I expect more of a chance to meet up with players who know what they're doing, who know how we can best play as a team. That feeling of pulling it together and supporting each other is long gone. The Krysae's power is now known by beginners who are flooding gold looking for easy credits, and mostly I now run on my own with my non-infiltrator while the rest run around like headless chickens and blow up everything.

Mozts wrote...

Score = crap.

Nerfers rarely talk about it, anti-nerfers always do.

And this. In fact, most players who are active in balance discussions on this forum hardly have any reason to be envious of other players scores. And I would make the same exact arguments even if the game had no scoreboard.

Modifié par Killahead, 11 juin 2012 - 05:51 .

[gigliani60]

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

there is no possible other reason. and before you shout "balance" the only reason balance would make a diff is to tighten up the scores. which are irrevelent. its not like we are competing. if they give you a gun that can obliterate the badguys, how can you have issue with that?

Its just boring, and it renders all other snipers irrelevant. Your arguement there was "Its overpowered, why complain if it makes the game easy?" Not everybody thinks like that. I dont care about being outscored by it, it just makes the game boring, plus we never see any other snipers

[Immortal Strife]

I believe it has more to do with the ease it creates. If you put 4 Krysae users into a game the enemy never even gets close to you. Now compound the powerful gun by equipping it on an infiltrator and the enemy can hardly move from their spawn.

The same can be said for the Reageer. It's utility is even more than that of the Krysae proven by the fact that you can shoot-power at the same time (see Flamer/Reageer).

TC's ability makes every gun better by a wide margin over every class.

All three could use minor tweaks. I don't want to see them broken by any means, and based on Bioware's weekly balance updates, they never are nerfed to uselessness. I think there in nothing wrong with pointing out a few op weapons and classes here on the forums. I trust Bioware to make appropriate decisions when it comes to balance, they have been doing a good job up to this point.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 11 juin 2012 - 06:02 .

[Rav950]

I think its fine as is, but it should have been N7 and the Harrier should have been rare.

Considering how almost every other good gun in the game requires a good aim, and the two that don't (Scorpion, Falcon) have significant drawbacks, the Krysae is a little messed up. So is the Reegar to a lesser degree (sucks vs armor).

Its not the guns to me though... I'd like to see legitimately new gameplay. I think the escort missions are cool, but the spawn point needs to ALWAYS be as far away from the retrieval area as possible. Not very interesting when there's not much work involved. Could probably be expanded into half a hack too.... "guard until retrieval".