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[Drakham]

its 2 different parties, first was the one askinfg for the sniper rifle and now the other half waked up seeing they cant score so easily anymore and then they start yelling now.

As someone having to do with customers daily i can assure you you will never be able to make "everyone" happy. You always have some guys whining in the background.
The important part is to ignore them and concentrate on the bigger number of people who dont whine so loud but who make the much bigger base...

[Dharvy]

Qeylis wrote...

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

there is no possible other reason. and before you shout "balance" the only reason balance would make a diff is to tighten up the scores. which are irrevelent. its not like we are competing. if they give you a gun that can obliterate the badguys, how can you have issue with that?

Because having a gun that you don't even have to aim is very, very boring.  I like the area affect, but the proximity detonation is boring.  That is my one and only complaint.  Aiming is fun, I play shooters to aim at things and watch them blow up.  You don't have to aim the Krysae.  I've fired blindly and gotten a kill more times than I can say.

Speed up the round (Buff).  Disable proximity effect (Nerf).  Increase area effect damage while maintaining 1.5 AoE (Buff).  Decrease number of rounds to 2 per reload (Nerf).

I don't want it nerfed, I want it to be fun.

People like to aim.  Aiming is fun.

The Krysae is crazy fun. And with my GI I rarely take cover. I hover and see through walls so I shoot them before they even come into view. To really use this weapon effectively it takes skill. I've seen many wield it an not top anything. I usually get about 110k on average with this weapon when I have a decent team. I use it mainly because I don't have valiant or the Indra. One of my friends with a Valiant give me a run for my money, so to speak, and we kind of have this unspoken competition where we compete for the top score spot. He won on occasion.

I'll admit it do make it so that people that's not that good at aiming can hit something but it also makes me more comfortable in a PUG game when someone is wielding one because I can relax a bit. Sometimes with randoms you can only depend on you're skill and with my GI I had to carry many a teams with randoms. With friends its alright, I don't have to worry and I can just casually play, but with randoms I'm glad the Krysae exist, it makes my Gold games much easier, and ultimately more fun. That is why I'm playing this game after all, to have fun. 

And in a random PUG I have fun obliterating Gold in an ~20mins or less with me playing casually not carrying a whole team. I can go several rounds/hours of that. But when I play a "challenging" game that upwards of ~30mins plus (even did a 55 minute one where a batarian had to solo wave 9 with 2 banshees and some leftovers wielding a revenant and a claymore and watching from spectator mode I was almost certain they were regening their barriers while he tried to kite them and luck behold the team nearly wiped on wave 10 and I had to solo/hack it and then got us to full extraction.) And about 1 or 2 games of that and I take a break and do something else.

[Permafrost27]

 " it makes my Gold games much easier, and ultimately more fun. That is why I'm playing this game after all, to have fun"

I'm playing to have fun too, ideally we all are. With the exception of some outlier folk who are of the hoarder mentality, and play for wealth / status accumulation- I'm pretty sure most people just want some enjoyable stimulation.

Problem is, some of us have defective fun molecule in our genetics, and only enjoy ourselves when there is challenge present. As the first part of your quote clearly states (and I appreciate your honesty, no sarcasm), the gun clearly reduces challenge in Gold.

I'm pretty sure all the silver / bronze / casual players were having fun pre-Krysae? I don't recall any complaints. 
Many claim in these posts that us "hardcore" "elitist" players, or whatever euphemism you want to use, are the ones making all the fuss- that we are the major source of whining and complaints, and that casuals are by their very nature easygoing.

So if they're all easygoing and laissez-faire and can have fun regardless, what's the problem with a single weapon getting mildly toned down to the point of being Falconesque?

If someone isn't using the weapon as an alchemical crutch to turn Gold into Silver, what do they even care?

[Joswi]

The thing I normally hear is how easy it makes the game but I don't remember seeing anywhere that you have to use it or that you even have to team up with someone who is using it. There seems to be a lot of people on theses boards who don't like it, team up with them and play without using it. I fail to see why people call for nerfs that may ruin the fun for someone else just because it isn't fun for them. Before the a nerf the people who like it can use it and the ones who don't like it don't have to use it. After a nerf you are taking away the option for that person who liked it to have fun with it anymore.

That's my take on it anyway.

[Rildok]

I have fun with the Krysae as it is. Making the game easier makes it more enjoyable to me, so I use this gun every so often. I usually play silver or bronze, unless I'm with my friends, then we play gold. I enjoy the Krysae because it does make things easier and also blows things up. Take away from the effectiveness of this gun and you're nerfing my enjoyability. Can't you see some people enjoy an easier game even though it's supposed to be harder? I like to play single player games with cheats because it makes it easier, and in turn, more enjoyable.

[Dharvy]

Permafrost27 wrote...

 " it makes my Gold games much easier, and ultimately more fun. That is why I'm playing this game after all, to have fun"

I'm playing to have fun too, ideally we all are. With the exception of some outlier folk who are of the hoarder mentality, and play for wealth / status accumulation- I'm pretty sure most people just want some enjoyable stimulation.

Problem is, some of us have defective fun molecule in our genetics, and only enjoy ourselves when there is challenge present. As the first part of your quote clearly states (and I appreciate your honesty, no sarcasm), the gun clearly reduces challenge in Gold.

I'm pretty sure all the silver / bronze / casual players were having fun pre-Krysae? I don't recall any complaints. 
Many claim in these posts that us "hardcore" "elitist" players, or whatever euphemism you want to use, are the ones making all the fuss- that we are the major source of whining and complaints, and that casuals are by their very nature easygoing.

So if they're all easygoing and laissez-faire and can have fun regardless, what's the problem with a single weapon getting mildly toned down to the point of being Falconesque?

If someone isn't using the weapon as an alchemical crutch to turn Gold into Silver, what do they even care?

I don't mind challenge, but in most video games challenge just mean OP enemies with more hp and damage and you just do less damage to them and then you just really end up taking longer to kill them with some lengthy repetitive strategy. For example 3 hits become 15 hits to kill said enemy.

And I dont' really consider myself a casual but to use a sort of analogy I posted elsewhere, they gave a ball with a little more air and better bounce and therefore made the game a little more fun for some or maybe most and for some they made it a little too easy. Now say they take the extra air back out the ball and say go back to your semi-deflated ball, its more challenging.

And for me Gold isn't really hard with a decent team I just don't care to have to solo it. And if they nerf the Krysae into uselessness I'll be a little irritated, mainly because I use to run a Striker/Falcon X on my GI and the gun seems like a personal upgrade.  And just to add, I understand where most of the sane nerfers are coming from with balance (though I'll never advocate for a nerf) because I've been in a game where I was nearly killing everything and one of my friends jokingly teased that they were my cheerleaders. The next game I kinda toned it down a bit. I agree the gun could be devistating in the hands of some of the more "elite" "hardcore" players but I've seen it mostly just decent in the hands of some randoms. I even switched to my Black Widow, Javelin, and even my Claymore and played a little scoreboard battle with a couple of Krysae users. They beat my Javelin, but my BW was close but I just got bored with the little game during extraction and let them rack up kills. They didn't beat my Claymore.

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

But heres hoping I get a Valiant in the Comm packs.

Modifié par Dharvy, 11 juin 2012 - 07:12 .

[SparkeeLecaro]

Permafrost27 wrote...

Problem is, some of us have defective fun molecule in our genetics, and only enjoy ourselves when there is challenge present.

Masochism.

While I can definitely see where the disdain for the Krysae is coming from--a combination of inproportionate point scaling and outright point envy--the real problem at hand is that we've become disconnected as a community, as some of us (on both sides of the scoreboard) have become obsessed with proving to total strangers that our ficticious numbers are higher than theirs. It needs to stop.

That said, it probably won't stop, but one can dream.

[Angatar]

cuzIMgood wrote...

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

there is no possible other reason. and before you shout "balance" the only reason balance would make a diff is to tighten up the scores. which are irrevelent. its not like we are competing. if they give you a gun that can obliterate the badguys, how can you have issue with that?

No actually it is because of balance so get over yourself.  I play with every class/weapon in this game and I like to see them all reasonably viable options for gold.  Currently, the krysae is much more powerful than many of its counterparts completely shadowing them and making them obsolete.  I really couldn't care less what place I come in for score.

Instead of nerfing the Krysae how about they buff all the useless crap, like 90% of the assault rifles and submachine guns?

[GGW KillerTiger]

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

people dont like getting outscored by them

That's why anyone that calls for anything being nerfed cries for them.

[Killahead]

SparkeeLecaro wrote...

Permafrost27 wrote...

Problem is, some of us have defective fun molecule in our genetics, and only enjoy ourselves when there is challenge present.

Masochism.

While I can definitely see where the disdain for the Krysae is coming from--a combination of inproportionate point scaling and outright point envy--the real problem at hand is that we've become disconnected as a community, as some of us (on both sides of the scoreboard) have become obsessed with proving to total strangers that our ficticious numbers are higher than theirs. It needs to stop.

That said, it probably won't stop, but one can dream.

Why do you bring numbers and scores into it again when he states that he wants a challenge. That challenge is not necessarily related to getting a high score, I know for me it isn't.

[Killahead]

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

people dont like getting outscored by them

That's why anyone that calls for anything being nerfed cries for them.

This is so wrong and by now you should have read enough threads on balance to understand this. It might be what YOU think is the motivation for calling for nerfs, based on what would be YOUR motivation, but don't question the motivation of othersfor doing so and please take the time to read the well thought out arguments that have been presented and have nothing to do with score envy.

Like someone else said, many of you anti-nerfers seem to be the ones obsessed by scores, always bringing that aspect into the discussion.

[GGW KillerTiger]

Lord Rosario wrote...
You know, if you use the Krysae as it was MEANT to be used [As a staggering croud control that does good, but not great damage] then it is a fantastic team weapon. The only reason people are outscoring that I have seen with the Krysae, might not be true for everyone, is because they get assists on nearly everything. Try using the Krysae on a a class like the Vorcha and stop using it on the Geth Infiltrator.. I can seriously outscore 90% of people with nothing but melee on a Geth Infiltrator. It is not the gun that is op. It's not the classes that are op. It's the combination of them.

Oh and uh this

[Doc-Jek]

I could care less if I get outscored, but I like have at least a bit of a challenge, and something I can kill. A lot of the times I play with people that have the things, the entire game is just me trying to find enemies that are off from the pack just so I can actually kill something without it turning into red mist before I can even get a shot off. It's not the points, it's the enjoyment of the game. People say "it gets the waves done faster, so it shouldn't be nerfed" but I disagree. The point of the game isn't to get everything done as quickly and easily as possible just so we can farm gold faster. The point of the game is to enjoy kicking Reaper, Cerberus and Geth arse. Sitting watching everything disintegrate isn't fun.

[KevTheGamer]

The gun is a beast but yeah it needs to be nerfed badly. It makes the game too easy. One shot kills basically everything outside of boss level enemies. Talk about an easy button

[GGW KillerTiger]

Killahead wrote...

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

people dont like getting outscored by them

That's why anyone that calls for anything being nerfed cries for them.

This is so wrong and by now you should have read enough threads on balance to understand this. It might be what YOU think is the motivation for calling for nerfs, based on what would be YOUR motivation, but don't question the motivation of othersfor doing so and please take the time to read the well thought out arguments that have been presented and have nothing to do with score envy.

Like someone else said, many of you anti-nerfers seem to be the ones obsessed by scores, always bringing that aspect into the discussion.

I don't play for score and I don't use the Kysae or the Gethfiltrator .... Those 2 combined make a powerful grouping. I don't pay attention to score. I pay attention to the enemies dying. I have fun with these so called "over powered" things being used by my teammates. Want to know why I have fun with them? it's because they tend to be so bad that I end up getting 15 revives within the first 3 waves. I like my shiny medals. The fact that people are calling for nerfs is because they got their epeen broken by something that was better than what they were using/by a better player. What's next a krogan soldier going to outscore an asari adept and krogans suddenly over powered? I bet it will happen with all the nerfs/buffs asked for ......

[GGW KillerTiger]

KevWestBeats.com wrote...

The gun is a beast but yeah it needs to be nerfed badly. It makes the game too easy. One shot kills basically everything outside of boss level enemies. Talk about an easy button

Stop playing bronze? On gold that doesn't happen on noine-infiltrator classes.  Just saying. <_<

[cuzIMgood]

Angatar wrote...

cuzIMgood wrote...

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

there is no possible other reason. and before you shout "balance" the only reason balance would make a diff is to tighten up the scores. which are irrevelent. its not like we are competing. if they give you a gun that can obliterate the badguys, how can you have issue with that?

No actually it is because of balance so get over yourself.  I play with every class/weapon in this game and I like to see them all reasonably viable options for gold.  Currently, the krysae is much more powerful than many of its counterparts completely shadowing them and making them obsolete.  I really couldn't care less what place I come in for score.

Instead of nerfing the Krysae how about they buff all the useless crap, like 90% of the assault rifles and submachine guns?

I would like to see some buffs and nerfs.  If everything is just buffed to the level that is currently considered op, this game would be retardedly easy.

[SparkeeLecaro]

Killahead wrote...

SparkeeLecaro wrote...

Permafrost27 wrote...

Problem is, some of us have defective fun molecule in our genetics, and only enjoy ourselves when there is challenge present.

Masochism.

While I can definitely see where the disdain for the Krysae is coming from--a combination of inproportionate point scaling and outright point envy--the real problem at hand is that we've become disconnected as a community, as some of us (on both sides of the scoreboard) have become obsessed with proving to total strangers that our ficticious numbers are higher than theirs. It needs to stop.

That said, it probably won't stop, but one can dream.

Why do you bring numbers and scores into it again when he states that he wants a challenge. That challenge is not necessarily related to getting a high score, I know for me it isn't.

That wasn't directed at the user I quoted; it was a general statement. I probably should have clarified with an "On an unrelated note," or a few extra lines between "Masochism" and the rest of my post.

Modifié par SparkeeLecaro, 11 juin 2012 - 07:34 .

[Angatar]

cuzIMgood wrote...

Angatar wrote...

cuzIMgood wrote...

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

there is no possible other reason. and before you shout "balance" the only reason balance would make a diff is to tighten up the scores. which are irrevelent. its not like we are competing. if they give you a gun that can obliterate the badguys, how can you have issue with that?

No actually it is because of balance so get over yourself.  I play with every class/weapon in this game and I like to see them all reasonably viable options for gold.  Currently, the krysae is much more powerful than many of its counterparts completely shadowing them and making them obsolete.  I really couldn't care less what place I come in for score.

Instead of nerfing the Krysae how about they buff all the useless crap, like 90% of the assault rifles and submachine guns?

I would like to see some buffs and nerfs.  If everything is just buffed to the level that is currently considered op, this game would be retardedly easy.

None of the guns are OP, though.

The best solution would probably be to remove the shield gate for headshots, and allow headshots on bosses. The Krysae keeps its role as crowd control, and guns such as the Javelin have a purpose now that they don't overkill.

[humes spork]

Dharvy wrote...

I hover and see through walls so I shoot them before they even come into view. To really use this weapon effectively it takes skill.

A sniper rifle that doesn't even require you to hit an enemy to kill them -- and the guys in that immediate vicinity -- takes skill.

[cuzIMgood]

Angatar wrote...

cuzIMgood wrote...

Angatar wrote...

cuzIMgood wrote...

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

there is no possible other reason. and before you shout "balance" the only reason balance would make a diff is to tighten up the scores. which are irrevelent. its not like we are competing. if they give you a gun that can obliterate the badguys, how can you have issue with that?

No actually it is because of balance so get over yourself.  I play with every class/weapon in this game and I like to see them all reasonably viable options for gold.  Currently, the krysae is much more powerful than many of its counterparts completely shadowing them and making them obsolete.  I really couldn't care less what place I come in for score.

Instead of nerfing the Krysae how about they buff all the useless crap, like 90% of the assault rifles and submachine guns?

I would like to see some buffs and nerfs.  If everything is just buffed to the level that is currently considered op, this game would be retardedly easy.

None of the guns are OP, though.

That is your opinion.

[Angatar]

cuzIMgood wrote...

Angatar wrote...

cuzIMgood wrote...

Angatar wrote...

cuzIMgood wrote...

BERT AND ERNY wrote...

there is no possible other reason. and before you shout "balance" the only reason balance would make a diff is to tighten up the scores. which are irrevelent. its not like we are competing. if they give you a gun that can obliterate the badguys, how can you have issue with that?

No actually it is because of balance so get over yourself.  I play with every class/weapon in this game and I like to see them all reasonably viable options for gold.  Currently, the krysae is much more powerful than many of its counterparts completely shadowing them and making them obsolete.  I really couldn't care less what place I come in for score.

Instead of nerfing the Krysae how about they buff all the useless crap, like 90% of the assault rifles and submachine guns?

I would like to see some buffs and nerfs.  If everything is just buffed to the level that is currently considered op, this game would be retardedly easy.

None of the guns are OP, though.

That is your opinion.

And my opinion is right. The complaints about the Krysae boil down to it being powerful and has splash damage, while things like the Black Widow and Javelin require precision and accuracy to hit, with not much more payoff. If you change the bosses to allow headshots and remove the shield gate for headshots then powerful guns such as the Javelin and Black Widow have a purpose and the Krysae gets a "nerf" without actually touching it because headshots mean something. Everyone wins.

[GodlessPaladin]

KevWestBeats.com wrote...

The gun is a beast but yeah it needs to be nerfed badly. It makes the game too easy. One shot kills basically everything outside of boss level enemies. Talk about an easy button

It's not even a 1 hit kill.  It's a 1 miss multikill (including against many shielded enemies on Gold)... with 3 shots and an instant fire feature (a la the GPS and Graal) and a very reliable stagger and enough damage to chew through bosses in short order (what with a good 15,000 damage per cloak cycle) and the best scope in the game so that it's even harder to miss.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 11 juin 2012 - 07:51 .

[SoulWeaver]

I already posted on several threads saying I don't think the Krysae is overpowered in the hands of any class except infiltrators, but I guess I will say it again.

Also, in large/open maps, I do better with a Valiant or BW than with the Krysae, so I'll have to disagree with the OP; if those snipers had the Krysae's progressive scope I think they would be superior in any map.

[RAF1940]

I don't use it because I don't find it enjoyable to just point in the general direction of the enemy and fire.

I used to use it, but stopped when I unlocked the M-98 Widow.