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[TheButterflyEffect]

Dear Bioware:

Please oh PLEASE don`t wreck the DA2 romances in the next game.

You already doomed the Warden to be miserable and alone forever, please please please let Hawke and their LI stay together forever and be at least reasonably happy.

DA2`s romances were SO MUCH BETTER than DAO`s. Please please pretty please don`t destroy them.

I want to keep imagining Anders and my Mage PC run off to Tevinter or something to hide from the Chantry. Live in hiding, make some hawt apostage magic, and raise many sweet apostate chillens together. Which is cool, they could keep it secret since apparently Anders knows how to deliver babies...

The End.

( Same for the others. The same could be done with Merrill. And Isabela`s been an outlaw most of her life so she and the PC could have easily escaped together on her ship to parts unknown.)

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 11 juin 2012 - 08:43 .

[PsychoBlonde]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

You already doomed the Warden to be miserable and alone forever . . .

They did?  When did this happen?

And how does "your during-the-blight-romance didn't last forever and ever and ever" equate to "so now you're doomed to be alone and miserable!"

Romances end.  People move on.  The only party member my Warden was particularly fond of was Sten, and that obviously wasn't going anywhere.  Plenty of fish in the sea, though.

I figure after Awakening she took to wandering Thedas for a hobby.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Well the fact that the Warden inevitably ends up splitting with all four of their potential LI`s kind of makes them all pointless and meaningless to begin with. A cheap way to avoid putting effort into writing a better story... in spite of the fact that all of these people supposedly truly loved the Warden. The fact that there happened to be a Blight at the time means nothing, it was supposed to be more than that. What a load of bunk.

Crappy.

Please don`t do that to tha Hawky.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 11 juin 2012 - 08:57 .

[LolaLei]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

You already doomed the Warden to be miserable and alone forever, please please please let Hawke and their LI stay together forever and be at least reasonably happy.

)

That didn't happen in my game. I kept Alistair as a Grey Warden and he and my Warden Amell are still together... she's just missing in action at the moment tis all, Ali probably knows where she is anyway if he didn't disappear with her.

[LolaLei]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Well the fact that the Warden inevitably ends up splitting with all four of their potential LI`s kind of makes them all pointless and meaningless to begin with. A cheap way to avoid putting effort into writing a better story... in spite of the fact that all of these people supposedly truly loved the Warden. The fact that there happened to be a Blight at the time means nothing, it was supposed to be more than that. What a load of bunk.

Crappy.

Please don`t do that to tha Hawky.

Eh? That totally didn't happen, it was just romance flag glitches that messed the game up. I've seen on YouTube how the romances are supposed to go after a few people fixed the flags on their PC version.

[thats1evildude]

I think TBE is referring to how Leliana and the Warden parted ways.

[AkiKishi]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Well the fact that the Warden inevitably ends up splitting with all four of their potential LI`s kind of makes them all pointless and meaningless to begin with. A cheap way to avoid putting effort into writing a better story... in spite of the fact that all of these people supposedly truly loved the Warden. The fact that there happened to be a Blight at the time means nothing, it was supposed to be more than that. What a load of bunk.

Crappy.

Please don`t do that to tha Hawky.

Bioware is in a catch 22 here. Fans want to see favourites return. But don't want whatever story is written to interfere with their own headcanon/happy ending.

[TheButterflyEffect]

thats1evildude wrote...

I think TBE is referring to how Leliana and the Warden parted ways.

And Zevran. And Alistair, who was MIA in Awakening if left a simple Warden, and hasn`t returned since.

And a loooot of implied impending darkness and doom with Morrigan, even though the lovers themselves got a positive ending for the time being. Ironic, in the original game everyone else was the happy ending and Morrigan was the odd one out, then with DLC and new games, they sort of turned that upside down...

[TheButterflyEffect]

BobSmith101 wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Well the fact that the Warden inevitably ends up splitting with all four of their potential LI`s kind of makes them all pointless and meaningless to begin with. A cheap way to avoid putting effort into writing a better story... in spite of the fact that all of these people supposedly truly loved the Warden. The fact that there happened to be a Blight at the time means nothing, it was supposed to be more than that. What a load of bunk.

Crappy.

Please don`t do that to tha Hawky.

Bioware is in a catch 22 here. Fans want to see favourites return. But don't want whatever story is written to interfere with their own headcanon/happy ending.

The new story doesn`t NEED to fudge up the old one in a negative way. Hawke and LI could still be well and happy, and the new scenario can still be exciting.

[LolaLei]

thats1evildude wrote...

I think TBE is referring to how Leliana and the Warden parted ways.

I just took it as Leliana couldn't find her Warden lover (if you romanced her) so she double the reason to track him/her down. No doubt the pair of them weren't constantly joined at the hip so that's probably why she doesn't know where he/she is now that he/she is MIA.

[PsychoBlonde]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Well the fact that the Warden inevitably ends up splitting with all four of their potential LI`s kind of makes them all pointless and meaningless to begin with.

Really?  The ONLY meaningful relationships are ones where people NEVER split up?

Please.

[The Elder King]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Dear Bioware:



DA2`s romances were SO MUCH BETTER than DAO`s. Please please pretty please don`t destroy them.

I want to keep imagining Anders and my Mage PC run off to Tevinter or something to hide from the Chantry. Live in hiding, make some hawt apostage magic, and raise many sweet apostate chillens together. Which is cool, they could keep it secret since apparently Anders knows how to deliver babies...

The End.

( Same for the others. The same could be done with Merrill. And Isabela`s been an outlaw most of her life so she and the PC could have easily escaped together on her ship to parts unknown.)

I disagree, at least for the female LI. I liked both Merrill and Isabela, but I liked more Morrigan and Leliana. Don't know about the male LI, since I didn't try Anders and Fenris, and I completed only Alistair's romance.
I agree with you on leaving the LI with Hawke.Though the fact that the Warden left is LI doesn't meand that their rellationship was meaningless.

Modifié par hhh89, 11 juin 2012 - 09:13 .

[LolaLei]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

I think TBE is referring to how Leliana and the Warden parted ways.

And Zevran. And Alistair, who was MIA in Awakening if left a simple Warden, and hasn`t returned since.

And a loooot of implied impending darkness and doom with Morrigan, even though the lovers themselves got a positive ending for the time being. Ironic, in the original game everyone else was the happy ending and Morrigan was the odd one out, then with DLC and new games, they sort of turned that upside down...

Maybe your games glitched or something because if Alistair was romanced in DA:O and stayed as a Warden then he turns up in DA2 and says the following:



I'd show you the Zev one but I can't find it currently.

[TheButterflyEffect]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Well the fact that the Warden inevitably ends up splitting with all four of their potential LI`s kind of makes them all pointless and meaningless to begin with.

Really?  The ONLY meaningful relationships are ones where people NEVER split up?

Please.

It made pursuing the subplots pointless, because they had no worthwhile conclusions.

[The Elder King]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Well the fact that the Warden inevitably ends up splitting with all four of their potential LI`s kind of makes them all pointless and meaningless to begin with.

Really?  The ONLY meaningful relationships are ones where people NEVER split up?

Please.

It made pursuing the subplots pointless, because they had no worthwhile conclusions.

Which, by the way, DAO haven't done, with the exception of Morrigan I think. It was with Awakening and WItch Hunt that they did this. If you finished DAO with the Dark Ritual and a romance with Leliana, Alistair or Zevran, they stay with the Warden in the epilogue. So when you play the second time (if you didn't complete Awakening before) you'd think that the Warden will stay with his/her LI at the end.
Regardless, I don't think that even if in the epilogue the PC and his/her LI split up the romance subplot is pointless. The "worthwhile conclusions"  isn't necessary for me (this is the reason why I am more upset about the lack of contents in the ME3 endings rather than the lack of a happy ending).

[Fredward]

Yah know while happy endings are fine and dandy and all, the romances that really git me are the ones that end in tragedy. Or one's that end kinda bittersweet, like two people who really do love each other but the love is ultimately detrimental to both. I played a game like that recently, actually more of a visual novel but whatever. I got that idea from Anders' romance, not as strongly as I might've liked mind you but it was there.

I know this is probably a somewhat unpopular view but I think that happily ever after is kinda a cheap ending, and childish in a way. It's why I actually preferred Shepard dying at the end of ME3 (though I wish we could've seen more, I dunno... impact? Emotional impact I mean). Hum... where was I going with this again? Ah yes. Happy endings (I swear the double entendres are unintentional) are nice but they don't make me FEEL, yah know? Whereas a tragedy (Hawke and Anders dying in each others arm after defeating an army of templars allowing kittens and mages to flee [kitten mages mayhaps?]) would have REAL emotional impact for me. Although I doubt that Anders at least still looks like he might have a role to play.

Anywhoo what I'm trying to say that a romance can end anyway the writers decide, the story as well for that matter, what's important is that in the end I come away FEELING something from the whole thing. That's all that's important. To me anyway.

[SirGladiator]

I'd definitely want my Warden, and my Hawke, to ultimately live happily ever after with the one that they romanced. I dont think there's anything in DA2 that rules any of that out. Granted, there's some separation, but that's because the Warden and Hawke are missing. They aren't dead, they just arent around right now. Once their true loves find them, all will be good again. Thats how Id prefer to see it.

[cogsandcurls]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

You already doomed the Warden to be miserable and alone forever, please please please let Hawke and their LI stay together forever and be at least reasonably happy.

Eh? Since when?

The only couple I got through into a DA2 import was my City Elf with Zevran, and they're still together. Just because they're not tied at the hip doesn't mean they're not still an item. Zev's scripted to rebuff Hawke/Isabela's attempts at seduction on the basis that he's got someone waiting for him he doesn't want to cheat on, after all. Alright, so the encounter is bugged to hell and that part of the script doesn't TRIGGER, but it's there.

Plus, you know. Pretty sure there are still Cousland Kings and Queens, mistresses of Alistair, Wardens following Morrigan through the portal etc etc. The Warden's MIA for plot reasons at the moment, not dumped.

[wsandista]

I have a solution: Hawke and the LI go adventuring and.......ROCKS FALL! EVERYONE DIES!

or Hawke gets into a battle and explodes like a blood sausage.

[MKDAWUSS]

Hawke's love life is in the same state as the Warden's. Too late.

[MKDAWUSS]

BobSmith101 wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Well the fact that the Warden inevitably ends up splitting with all four of their potential LI`s kind of makes them all pointless and meaningless to begin with. A cheap way to avoid putting effort into writing a better story... in spite of the fact that all of these people supposedly truly loved the Warden. The fact that there happened to be a Blight at the time means nothing, it was supposed to be more than that. What a load of bunk.

Crappy.

Please don`t do that to tha Hawky.

Bioware is in a catch 22 here. Fans want to see favourites return. But don't want whatever story is written to interfere with their own headcanon/happy ending.

Which can basically be done by minimizing appearances. I think the problem comes when players are sold a load of choices for their PC only to find out it was all for nowt when the PC and any associated companions are shoehorned into roles long after the fact. I think the whole point of the "exit stage left" proposal was basically to accomodate people's various storylines.

[TheButterflyEffect]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Hawke's love life is in the same state as the Warden's. Too late.

Never.

[Kulyok]

I second the OP's suggestion. DA2 cameos were seriously messed up, flags were screwed. How many "My Warden went through the mirror with Morrigan, why dies Alistair say he's in Denerim?" topics have we seen? How many people confused with Leliana's new behavior(and the fact she's away from the Warden)? How many people cringed after seeing "new and ugly" Zevran forgetting all about Warden and offering Hawke or Izabella some hot sex? Or Warden Alistair forgetting about his lover Warden whatsoever/calling her just a friend/dead friend? Or King Alistair calling the love of his life/his wife and friend "ball and chain"(come on, and that was the best one!)?

... Honestly, sometimes I think only Amell/Cullen fans got some win in DA2. Teagan/femWarden, too, but his "romance" line got cut(available on Youtube, though).

Seriously, I'm all for "no Fenris/Isabella/Merrill/Anders cameos in DA3" at all versus "messed up cameos/Anders suddenly leaving Hawke/Fenris and Isabella showing up together because of some messed import flags". Please. Don't split them up with Hawke, don't mess the headcanon, don't mess DA2 epilogue.

[Iakus]

LolaLei wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Well the fact that the Warden inevitably ends up splitting with all four of their potential LI`s kind of makes them all pointless and meaningless to begin with. A cheap way to avoid putting effort into writing a better story... in spite of the fact that all of these people supposedly truly loved the Warden. The fact that there happened to be a Blight at the time means nothing, it was supposed to be more than that. What a load of bunk.

Crappy.

Please don`t do that to tha Hawky.

Eh? That totally didn't happen, it was just romance flag glitches that messed the game up. I've seen on YouTube how the romances are supposed to go after a few people fixed the flags on their PC version.

Yup.  Leliana mentions the Warden to Hawke when they met briefly

Hawke:  The Leliana?  Who accompanied the Hero of Ferelden to slay the archdemon?
Leliana:  Yes, I knew the Hero of Ferelden.  He is...dear to my heart...

King Alistair refers to Queen Warden as "the old ball and chain" in his cameo

Don't know about Zevran

Morrigan, as far as I know is still living with my mage Warden beyond the Eluvian 

[AkiKishi]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

The new story doesn`t NEED to fudge up the old one in a negative way. Hawke and LI could still be well and happy, and the new scenario can still be exciting.

It kinda does. Otherwise you have some very strict limits on what you can and can't do.

Get's even more complicated if you introduce an old NPC in anything other than a cameo role.